Navigation DVD Delima ???

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Hey folks, Id like to ask a favor and I know some people will call foul on this one, but I'm stuck...please hear me out.

Thought Id ask on the off chance someone would help, because I've been to the Mazda dealer here in Okinawa Japan and they said...

"We don't support English version DVD, we don't think the USA version DVD will work in your Japan Made Premacy (Mazda 5)".

E-mail from Mazda Dealer Parts section:

"We can offer you the current DVD, with no guarantee it'll work in your vehicle." "Please contact Mazda Japan for details."

So, I'd still like to ask, without the loss of $199.00 for a new DVD just to find out ...it will not work.

My Premacy came with this Japanese Language Navigation DVD.

Would anyone be willing to help me out and burn me a copy of the English navigation DVD I CAN'T get here in Japan or from these guys with a return guarantee if it does not work??

http://www.mazdanavigation.com/ won't guarantee that it'll work in my Japan made Premacy.

(eek2)

Id even take someones OLD DVD if they don't use anymore... ??

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1. Willing to go shopping for ya here in Japan, a trade, we've got many cool original items here, ...

http://www.autobacs.com/shop/c/c/

Autobacs

2. If the DVD is copy write protected, I've got a solution to that.

3. Cost: Ill send both a blank DVD-R and a self addressed DVD envelope to send it to me.

Please don't anyone freak out about the whole copy write thing when BOTH companies say you are SOL, Ba-bye. It's all I'm stuck with... is to ask for a copy... (huh)

Thanks in advance, PM me and Ill give details such as my e-mail address so we can continue via e-mail.
Peace!(rei)

 

[bootman]

While specific to video DVDs, this ruling does apply to all copyrighted materials.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10307921-93.html

Personally I'm not "freaked out", but technically you are asking someone to break the law.
So don't be surprised if the mods deletes this whole thread.

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

While specific to video DVDs, this ruling does apply to all copyrighted materials.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10307921-93.html

Personally I'm not "freaked out", but technically you are asking someone to break the law.
So don't be surprised if the mods deletes this whole thread.

I totally understand, I'd not ask if it were not for the fact that BOTH places
said what they said, I know two wrongs don't make a right, however these
places don't have on file, what DVD works with what moddel of car/van?

That is like McDonalds not knowing what foods they sell are consumable by
humans. Gee here is an apple pie, we think, taste it and see if it makes you
sick.

Where is the consumer rights when I'd pay $199.00 bucks for a DVD that does not work, why can't I return it?

Thanks for the link and advice, sorry to even ask this question, I'd not want to get anyone in trouble. So please that is why I asked, PM me and we can off line talk there.

Thanks,
Peace!

 

[AwaKeN]

You already paid the consumer rights with your japan version, now you just want to switch to english, I don't see anything wrong here. Why do people looks for "big things" when there is nothing ....

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

You already paid the consumer rights with your japan version, now you just want to switch to english, I don't see anything wrong here. Why do people looks for "big things" when there is nothing ....

Great Point AwaKeN, (2thumbs) so very true, so may I kindly ask again, anyone, please?

However after seeing this:

Map Coverage

I don't think OKINAWA or JAPAN for that matter will be on the DVD's Map Coverage. So I think I know already, why pay $199.00 for a DVD that does not work? (nervous)



Thanks,
Peace!(rei)

 

[bootman]

Great Point AwaKeN, (2thumbs) so very true, so may I kindly ask again, anyone, please?

However after seeing this:

Map Coverage

I don't think OKINAWA or JAPAN for that matter will be on the DVD's Map Coverage. So I think I know already, why pay $199.00 for a DVD that does not work? (nervous)



Thanks,
Peace!(rei)

No one is forcing you to get the dvd.
But there is no denying that the intellectual property is not something that is "free".

If you did get some one here to burn a copy and it works, would you then go out and buy a proper copy?
That would be the "legal" thing to do.

But it would not excuse you (and the one who gave you the copy) of breaking copyright laws.

Again good luck, but your view of the situation is all wrong and rationalizing it doesn't make it legal.

Now if you paid the $200 and it didn't work, you have every right to get your money back.

 

[justanothermp5]

i honestly dont think it will work if someone burnt u an american copy
US and Japan use two diff kinds of Discs, not just language but also the way the information is stored on them

i remember back in the day if i wanted to play a Japanese game on my US playstation it wouldnt work because the discs are written different

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

No one is forcing you to get the dvd.
But there is no denying that the intellectual property is not something that is "free".

If you did get some one here to burn a copy and it works, would you then go out and buy a proper copy?
That would be the "legal" thing to do.

But it would not excuse you (and the one who gave you the copy) of breaking copyright laws.

Again good luck, but your view of the situation is all wrong and rationalizing it doesn't make it legal.

Now if you paid the $200 and it didn't work, you have every right to get your money back.

Understand, and I agree I'm forked either way theres no fair situation:

a) My right to get the 200 back
b) 'stealing' their intellectual data.

I'm just SOL either way, I guess *sigh* two wrongs make a wrong.

i honestly dont think it will work if someone burnt u an American copy
US and Japan use two diff kinds of Discs, not just language but also the way the information is stored on them

i remember back in the day if i wanted to play a Japanese game on my US playstation it wouldnt work because the discs are written different

Agree to some point, we have a REGION free DVD player bought it at Wal-Mart a few years ago when we lived in the USA at the time. Also you can get a chip to play Japan games on an American PS. So I'd meet you half way in saying it will not work due to region code in the Japan Premacy vs. the Mazda 5 CPU/DVD reader region 1 code.

Side note: went to another Google Search and read there was a way to 'hack' the DVD player in a Mazda and you could watch movies / DVD's on it instead of the Navigation, is that true?
Lastly I'd say 'where there is a will there is a way'

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Resolve ---
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1. Without a burned DVD from the USA version on it, we'll never know the answer to the question: will it work? Bummer, Ill leave it at that.

2. I'll write them again and ask if I can buy a 2006 version at a discount, or some sort of meet me half way, I guess??

I'll let you know what happens.

Thanks for all the advice and help from everyone, again very sorry to have bothered anyone.

Peace!(rei)

 

[AwaKeN]

No one is forcing you to get the dvd.
But there is no denying that the intellectual property is not something that is "free".

If you did get some one here to burn a copy and it works, would you then go out and buy a proper copy?
That would be the "legal" thing to do.

But it would not excuse you (and the one who gave you the copy) of breaking copyright laws.

Again good luck, but your view of the situation is all wrong and rationalizing it doesn't make it legal.

Now if you paid the $200 and it didn't work, you have every right to get your money back.

We are here to help each others and share informations etc ... Why do you bother on that ? Seriously, pass to another thread and go on !

 

[bootman]

We are here to help each others and share informations etc ... Why do you bother on that ? Seriously, pass to another thread and go on !

I'm all for sharing information. (you can do a quick search on my posts)
But, potentially illegal transactions can put this board in jeopardy.
If you can't see that, then there is nothing more I can say.

If you are a mod, then I'll just stop posting here.

 

[Trdkamuri51o]

bootman is right and so is okinawa.... in many ways..

it is illegal to copy anything.. period.. and it does put any board in jepoardy for asking to do illegal things (think napster and gnutella)

now to be honest, i wouldnt wanna buy a damn thing knowing it may not work without a way to cover my arse.. im sure u wouldnt wanna buy a car without test driving or running a carfax on it right bootman??? same PRINCIPLE applies here in this case.. he wants to test it out then possibly buy it.. heck.. i watch movies online so that way i know whether or not to buy them... its illegal yes, but its hard economical times...

find out who the mfgr. is for the unit.. like toyota has fujitsu ten (eclipse) and jaguar uses alpine etc.

find out who makes the unit, then you can read into specs.. kinda like the avic guys on avic 411 that way u find out what may or potentially may not work..

also contacting the mfgr. may help u in directly dealing with them. some have unlock codes for thier units (dual for instance) to allow region free play etc.
idk much about the mazda units which is why im going aftermarket wiht the avic setup or eclipse setup and a steeringwheel/bluetooth adaptor for it.. cuz im familiar with that unit

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

Closed - closed - closed

Thanks for the advice, love the boards here, I've got many more topics and questions. So no need to beat a dead horse here: (deadhorse

I'll just write them more and ask again if they will ever make a English version DVD for Japan.

Again I think I'd be SOL anyhow most all other locations say "Doubt the North America DVD will show locations in Japan."

I believe this true because there are many stores and things the North America DVD does not have symbols for, i.e Lawson Stores and Japan Banks etc.

Again, thanks for the advice, I've got a few other questions I'll post another time.

Peace!(rei)

 

[nehvada]

Great Point AwaKeN, (2thumbs) so very true, so may I kindly ask again, anyone, please?

However after seeing this:

Map Coverage

I don't think OKINAWA or JAPAN for that matter will be on the DVD's Map Coverage. So I think I know already, why pay $199.00 for a DVD that does not work? (nervous)



Thanks,
Peace!(rei)

you answered yourself the question. us dvd doesnt cover japan, japan dvd doesnt provide english language. period. bummer.

buy an aftermarket dvd unit, its not really mutch more expensive compared to the mazda dvd i'd say.

or

ask a japanese friend if there is a toggle somewhere in the menu to switch to english language (if that helps). in addition to that you can ask the manufacturer of the unit if there is a hidden service menu which might be able to switch to english language.

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

you answered yourself the question. us dvd doesnt cover japan, japan dvd doesnt provide english language. period. bummer.

buy an aftermarket dvd unit, its not really mutch more expensive compared to the mazda dvd i'd say.

or

ask a japanese friend if there is a toggle somewhere in the menu to switch to english language (if that helps). in addition to that you can ask the manufacturer of the unit if there is a hidden service menu which might be able to switch to english language.

All very good points, I'll try that, thanks.

Peace!(rei)

 

[bootman]

now to be honest, i wouldnt wanna buy a damn thing knowing it may not work without a way to cover my arse.. im sure u wouldnt wanna buy a car without test driving or running a carfax on it right bootman???

I totally agree, which is why I said (indirectly) if he purchased the DVD and it didn't work, he should be entitled to a full refund.

I'm cool with the op. I really do understand the dilemma.
$200 isn't throw away money.

 

[Tsuru]

I'm not 100% sure of the copyright laws for Japan but everyone seems to assume that making a copy of a DVD is illegal everywhere when in fact it's not.
It's illegal in the US because of the DMCA which states that you can't circumvent copy protection measures to create backups. If you somehow came across a non-encrypted DVD in the states you can make a legal backup of it.
In Canada (for example) you can circumvent the copy protection to make a single backup of a disc that you legally own without having any problems.
So, in certain situations it's legal to make a copy of a disc.
To address your problem directly, the only legal method I can see (and this assumes that you can make a legal backup in Japan) is to get someone from North America to temporarily ship you their DVD (with deposit or whatever floats their boat.) You can then make a backup IN JAPAN which will allow you to remove the region coding from the DVD (NA (region 1) and JP (region 2) both use NTSC encoding so you're fine there) and test the backup disc you've created.
If that works you can buy the NA version of the disc and you know it works but you'll still have to create the backup in order to get it to work in the Premacy since the original will still have the Region 1 encoding on it.

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

someone from North America to temporarily ship you their DVD (with deposit or whatever floats their boat.)

a) ^^There is no such thing.

b) thanks for the info, on the copy write laws Na and Japan.

c) Glad so many people feel my pain. Yes, it's a bummer, but not a show stopper.

I'm going to CALL these bone heads once and for all...
http://www.mazdanavigation.com/customersupport/default.aspx

wish me luck, (boom02)

Peace!(rei)

 

[nehvada]

why wasting time on a NA dvd if it doesnt cover japan maps? (shrug)

 

[SGT_OKINAWA]

why wasting time on a NA dvd if it doesnt cover japan maps? (shrug)

I've shifted to asking if that company has any SISTER COMPANY in JAPAN that may provide a english DVD for Japan maps.

Wish me luck !
Peace!(rei)

 

[Antoine]

Interesting dilemma you have there, SGT_OKINAWA...Sorry to see you in such a bind but I'm glad to see a very healthy discussion happening in this thread...Great info everyone! (2thumbs)

Just as a reminder for everyone...Please take note of the following site rule:

8. Illegal or "pirated" software or content of any kind must not be accessible via Mazda Forums. Any link or connection between this community and illegal software or content is not permitted.

Definitely keep us updated...Good Luck SGT_OKINAWA!