Israeli Legislators to Washington: If You Don't Stop Iran, We Will

[xelderx]

the war should stop, they bombed a Mazda dealership!

Yep that's it...I think it's this dealer but they didn't have a picture of the outside of the store so I'm not sure.

http://www.ogen-mazda.co.il/

 

[Donas64]

What did mazda ever do to anyone?

 

[Matrix]

What did mazda ever do to anyone?

I think somebody got pissed about the weak piston rods and/or LSD in their MSP...(ughdance)

 

[Donas64]

YOU WANT FORGED INTERNALS???? I'LL GIVE YOU FORGED INTERNALS!!!!!

oh snap!

 

[TStar]

When a country loses a war, they lose land? Really? Is that a fact? Let's see....Nazi Germany, (....) lost WWII and went back to their orginal borders giving back only most (not even all) conquered lands outside their pre-war boundaries. ....U.K., France, and Poland all got their land back after the Allies beat Germany, but they didn't take back ONE SQUARE MILE more than their pre-war boundaries.

reconsider.

in 1918 we actually "LOST" ground that belonged to germany for a little more than 1000 years to the french (alsace-lorraine) and the germans that had lived for generations had to leave the region (not on their own will, if you know what that means). germany re-conquered the area in 1940 but THAT was considered to be spoils of war and had to be given back after the war.

the same,actually far worse with the german people that had lived ever since in the polish regions and especially the czech regions, they were driven out by force, their property seized and looted, the women *****, the men and children killed if they were caught on their refugee trails to the "new old" german borders.

germany was not left in its real old borders, greedy hands from outside tried to catch a bit here and there, not to mention that western germany was actually occupied till the 1980s by allied forces and that germany was divided in a capitalist and a communist part till 1990 when the parts got reunited.

so: no man, we know how we were treated, we know EXACTLY why we have no particular love for some of our "neighbours",especially the ones that are located to the east. but how do you say? "you always meet twice in life".

 

[girth]

My God you are so retarded.

Do you not understand that everything that is currently called "Israel" and "the occupied lands" was once the country of Palestine? Yes, that's right, prior to 1948 it was all Palestine. Here's a link since your ignorant butt can't figure anything out http://www.mideastweb.org/palestinedetail1.htm

Yes, I'm fully aware that at one time ALL of that land was called Palestine - but SO WHAT! That's just a name. Apparently you're not aware that Palestine at the time was DIVIDED UP into 75% Arab (called Trans-Jordan) and 25% Jewish - I guess you didn't learn that while getting your BS and also missed that from my original post.

How can you send Palestinians "to their own countries" when you just seized their homeland? They are indigenous. Do you not know what that means? Over 65% of the Jews in Israel at the time of its founding were Europeans fleeing German aggression.

You "send them to their own home countries" meaning their own countries that went to war with Isreal and lost. If they didn't want that to happen, they should have stopped their leadership from doing that. So Israel didn't "seize" their "homeland". The Arab Palestinians tried to "seize" Israel and LOST.

Very little of what you posted was accurate.

Actually everything I posted was 100% accurate. You not believing it doesn't discount it as fiction.

When a country loses a war, they lose land? Really? Is that a fact? Let's see....Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, and Italy all lost WWII and went back to their orginal borders giving back only most (not even all) conquered lands outside their pre-war boundaries. Let's see: U.S.S.R. lost their war in Afghanistan, did they lose any land? Nope. Hmmmm...U.K., France, and Poland all got their land back after the Allies beat Germany, but they didn't take back ONE SQUARE MILE more than their pre-war boundaries.

Your "degree in history" is obviously pretty weak if you didn't know that when a country loses a war they often lose land with it. Of COURSE there are exceptions to everything, which is all you listed. On top of that you act like it's an abomination that land ever changes hands. Well guess what, the very land you've got your a$$ sitting on right now was "seized" from the American Indians.

I'm done trying to educate you - you can go on completely disconnected to reality but that will not change the facts or my views on it or the majority of the world's views on it.

 

[slayer4u]

TStar, girth, Thankyou for not being stupid! It's nice to see someone with some accurate knowlage of history.(thumb)

matrix, quit while you're behind will ya? I would if I where you. I mean your intentions are good and all but you are just too dumb to get your facts strait. To continue would just make it worse.

take me for instance I can't spell worth a s*** half the time but I admit it and move one.

 

[Matrix]

TStar, girth, Thankyou for not being stupid! It's nice to see someone with some accurate knowlage of history.(thumb)

matrix, quit while you're behind will ya? I would if I where you. I mean your intentions are good and all but you are just too dumb to get your facts strait. To continue would just make it worse.

take me for instance I can't spell worth a s*** half the time but I admit it and move one.

Right...when you've got something worthwhile to contribute, you be sure to raise your hand and let an adult know, mmmmmmmkay? Greeeeeaaat.

I only post facts, son. Try cracking open some real grown-up books by credible authors and you'll learn the truth.

 

[Matrix]

Yes, I'm fully aware that at one time ALL of that land was called Palestine - but SO WHAT! That's just a name. Apparently you're not aware that Palestine at the time was DIVIDED UP into 75% Arab (called Trans-Jordan) and 25% Jewish - I guess you didn't learn that while getting your BS and also missed that from my original post.

Wonderful. Then I guess Israel is just a name. When it changes hands again, you'll be the first to cry "no fair!"

READ, SON. Read my posts again. Did I say there were no Jews in Palestine? No I did not. And the ratio was 8:1, not 25% Jewish, moron.

You "send them to their own home countries" meaning their own countries that went to war with Isreal and lost. If they didn't want that to happen, they should have stopped their leadership from doing that. So Israel didn't "seize" their "homeland". The Arab Palestinians tried to "seize" Israel and LOST.

So where would Israel have sent the Palestinians? Obviously, your thick skull will not allow the fact that the Palestinians' homeland was taken from them to get through. Where would you have them go?

Do you know of ANY international accord, resolution, pact, or even a proposal that recognizes Israel's right to seized lands. Of course not, because none exist.

Actually everything I posted was 100% accurate. You not believing it doesn't discount it as fiction.

Your "degree in history" is obviously pretty weak if you didn't know that when a country loses a war they often lose land with it. Of COURSE there are exceptions to everything, which is all you listed. On top of that you act like it's an abomination that land ever changes hands. Well guess what, the very land you've got your a$$ sitting on right now was "seized" from the American Indians.

I'm done trying to educate you - you can go on completely disconnected to reality but that will not change the facts or my views on it or the majority of the world's views on it.

Obviously, you're delusional. You couldn't educate anyone. I do know that some countries have lost conquered land when they've lost wars. Land does change hands. But when it happens, there must be LEGITIMACY in the international community, something Israel does not have in its claims. When the ENTIRE international community refuses to recognize Israel outside of its 1967 borders, that takes away legitimacy. All the land that may have been lost in wars by defeated adversaries were taken by international consensus and recognition. Why does the entire world refuse to recognize Israel as it is?

Your "facts" are discounted by actual history. Your views are mired in blind beliefs and confused by propaganda. You have no sources to back your unfounded stances on the issues nor to solidify your revisionist history. You state your own beliefs based on nothing but fiction in an effort to sound intelligent, when you're obviously uneducated and quite ignorant.

My education is quite strong and bolstered by some of the top political minds in the country.

I strongly suggest you pick up some real books on the topic by legitimate authors and learn something. If you call the absolute crap you're posting an education you are seriously lacking any grip on reality.

Go read some legitimate books by respected authors and you'll start to see how things really went down.

 

[YellowMP5]

My God you are so retarded.

Do you not understand that everything that is currently called "Israel" and "the occupied lands" was once the country of Palestine? Yes, that's right, prior to 1948 it was all Palestine. Here's a link since your ignorant butt can't figure anything out http://www.mideastweb.org/palestinedetail1.htm

How can you send Palestinians "to their own countries" when you just seized their homeland? They are indigenous. Do you not know what that means? Over 65% of the Jews in Israel at the time of its founding were Europeans fleeing German aggression.

Very little of what you posted was accurate. Try studying reputable sources and accurate historical records and accounts before you decide to pull fictional stories out of thin air.

When a country loses a war, they lose land? Really? Is that a fact? Let's see....Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, and Italy all lost WWII and went back to their orginal borders giving back only most (not even all) conquered lands outside their pre-war boundaries. Let's see: U.S.S.R. lost their war in Afghanistan, did they lose any land? Nope. Hmmmm...U.K., France, and Poland all got their land back after the Allies beat Germany, but they didn't take back ONE SQUARE MILE more than their pre-war boundaries.

Your ignorance is obvious, as you display your complete lack of any historical knowledge. You must have read a brief (and probably innaccurate) article somewhere and made up your mind about the things you didn't know.

you shitting me right? i am going to jump around your ost pointing stuff out. there has never existed a country called Palestine. USSR didn't loose land because the fought in Afghanistan. How the **** would USSR loose land. Spain lost Florida to USA. Britain lost USA to USA, as well as other numerous colonies which became independent countries. Think before you post. And countries to loose land in wars. Poland lost land to ukraine for example. There are more examples. While you are correct that all current jews are outsiders to the land of israel and palestine, lets not forget that jews were there first, before people called pallestinians. in fact, they were forced to leave just like they are forced now. So before YOU speak of historical knowledge and facts, read up first.

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"The term "Palestine" comes from the word Philistine, the name of an ethnic group which lived in the southern coast of the region. The Philistines disappeared as a distinct group by the Assyrian period. The meaning of their ethnonym is uncertain but is sometimes understood in Hebrew to mean "invaders" from the root p-l-sh."

"Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews from Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the Galilee. He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) to Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the now conquered Jews"

i thought you said no one loses land when they lose war?

"On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181), a plan to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning the territory into separate Jewish and Arab states, with the Greater Jerusalem area (encompassing Bethlehem) coming under international control. Jewish leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it. Neighboring Arab and Muslim states also rejected the partition plan. As armed skirmishes between Arab and Jewish paramilitary forces in Palestine continued, the British mandate ended on May 15, 1948, the establishment of the State of Israel having been proclaimed the day before (see Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel). The neighboring Arab states immediately attacked Israel following its declaration of independence, and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War ensued. Consequently, the partition plan was never implemented."

Palestinians had a chance of having their own country, they didn't take it. Notice, arabs atacked israel on the VERY NEXT DAY.

"Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states eliminated Palestine as a distinct territory. It was divided between Israel, Egypt, Syria and Jordan."

Once again, the land is divided and unfortunately palestinians lose. Even the Arab states such as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan didn't bother pushing to create a country for palestinians. Israel is the only country in the world where hebrew and arabic are both official, and equal languages of the country.

From Israel's declaration of independence:
"...in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

Does that sound like something written by people who want to destroy other people? What do arab countries do? Instead of working together, they start a war, 1948, 1967, 1973. how long is this s*** going to continue?

So once again, read, think, figure out who the bad guy is, then post.

 

[YellowMP5]

My education is quite strong and bolstered by some of the top political minds in the country.

oh please, go tell that to the pigeons slayer poisoned in the park

 

[Matrix]

you shitting me right? i am going to jump around your ost pointing stuff out. there has never existed a country called Palestine. USSR didn't loose land because the fought in Afghanistan. How the **** would USSR loose land. Spain lost Florida to USA. Britain lost USA to USA, as well as other numerous colonies which became independent countries. Think before you post. And countries to loose land in wars. Poland lost land to ukraine for example. There are more examples. While you are correct that all current jews are outsiders to the land of israel and palestine, lets not forget that jews were there first, before people called pallestinians. in fact, they were forced to leave just like they are forced now. So before YOU speak of historical knowledge and facts, read up first.

You try to dissect my post, but you've failed to actually read it. I never said countries never lose land in a war, what I was trying to point out (in conjunction with my last post) is that it has to happen with international consensus and recognition. The examples I pointed out were only used to illustrate that there are exceptions to girth's absolute rule that countries lose land when they lose a war.

You fail to understand my example of U.S.S.R.'s loss in Afghanistan. The war there was a war of aggression. They got beat back to their original borders, not further back. My point which you failed to grasp, was that in a vast majority of wars lost by the aggressors, very rarely, if ever, are they forced back beyond their original pre-war borders. I don't think you got my point, maybe I didn't make it clear enough for you.

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"The term "Palestine" comes from the word Philistine, the name of an ethnic group which lived in the southern coast of the region. The Philistines disappeared as a distinct group by the Assyrian period. The meaning of their ethnonym is uncertain but is sometimes understood in Hebrew to mean "invaders" from the root p-l-sh."

"Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews from Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the Galilee. He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) to Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the now conquered Jews"

Your English lesson is irrelevant. My argument was not that Jews had no right to be there. By reading my posts you can see that I recognize that Jews have always been there. What I do refuse to acknowledge is Israel's post-1967 borders and any right they have to hold the occuppied lands.

i thought you said no one loses land when they lose war?

Never said that. Like I told girth, READ.

"On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181), a plan to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning the territory into separate Jewish and Arab states, with the Greater Jerusalem area (encompassing Bethlehem) coming under international control. Jewish leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it. Neighboring Arab and Muslim states also rejected the partition plan. As armed skirmishes between Arab and Jewish paramilitary forces in Palestine continued, the British mandate ended on May 15, 1948, the establishment of the State of Israel having been proclaimed the day before (see Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel). The neighboring Arab states immediately attacked Israel following its declaration of independence, and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War ensued. Consequently, the partition plan was never implemented."

Palestinians had a chance of having their own country, they didn't take it. Notice, arabs atacked israel on the VERY NEXT DAY.

What you've posted here is correct. However, what you did not take into account is the highly disproportionate land division that was wrongfully imposed. As I mentioned earlier, most of the resentment was in the 50% division that was imposed on a 8:1 palestinian-to-Israeli population. Over 85% of the population forced to live on 50% of the land they held in total only a few days earlier? To a group of people of whom over 65% were not there a year ago? That's hardly fair. If the land had been divided in a fair manner (such as sq. mileage per capita or something) we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Once again, the land is divided and unfortunately palestinians lose. Even the Arab states such as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan didn't bother pushing to create a country for palestinians. Israel is the only country in the world where hebrew and arabic are both official, and equal languages of the country.

This is true, and contradicts nothing of what I've posted. The push is to get Palestinian land back to pre-1967 status.

From Israel's declaration of independence:
"...in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

Does that sound like something written by people who want to destroy other people? What do arab countries do? Instead of working together, they start a war, 1948, 1967, 1973. how long is this s*** going to continue?

So once again, read, think, figure out who the bad guy is, then post.

Sure, that may be what Israel has written in their Declaration. And I never said they wantred to "destroy other people." What I have said is that they have acted in contradiction to the quote from their Declaration you provided. It is a widely recognized fact that Israel has taken illegitmate and denounced measures to lay waste to Lebanon's and Palestine's infrastructure. Israel's policy of assassination without proof of any charges is a violation of human rights. Palestinians are dehumanized on a regular basis. There are hundreds of Palestinians incarcerated for many years without even knowing what they're charged with.

Israel has destroyed Palestinian police department headquarters, government offices, utilities, and public works.

I look at nations based on their actions, not on words they've printed on a piece of paper.

But I will say this, I appreciate the intelligent and organized manner in which you've posted. You didn't resort to any petty squabbling and you presented legitimate information. Thank you for an intelligent contribution to this discussion.

 

[Matrix]

oh please, go tell that to the pigeons slayer poisoned in the park

You know, I realized after I posted that that it may have come across as a bit arrogant, and I didn't mean it that way. But the fact remains that I have studied under some of the world's most recognized political minds. My professors were advisors to world governments and highly respected.

When a person studies any material as a dedicated field, he/she picks up a lot of information that the lay person does not. I was blessed with a lot of information and factual accounts by people who have been there and discussed these very events with the individuals in top governments making the decisions.

My intention was not to come across with any holier-than-thou attitude, so I hope it wasn't taken that way.

 

[SilverBulletES]

Good things to see Israel removing the cockroaches from Lebanon's house. Enough is enough.

 

[TStar]

besides all that history stuff there's one thing the israelis haven't understood yet. they already went beyond the point of no return, the countries surrounding israel will -never- accept its existence anymore, too much has happened. israel is doomed to uphold it's borders with weapons until the end of days.
and as we know, world politics changes frequently. a day will come where noone will support israel anymore and THEN they will get the appropriate answers to their actions. even if some sort of peace treaty is reall put into reality, it's only a matter of time since the surrounding countries will gather all their forces behind the scenes in order to destroy israel with one final blow...

for the palestine people, especially the ones in the gaza stripe... in my mind they are the poorest ***** in the whole wide world. a violent and cruel occupation for like 3 decades...oh well... even the african countries which suffer from femines, war and aids might off much better than the guys in palestine...

 

[SilverBulletES]

Is it me? Or did the magical voice on the interweb from Germany just have a masturbatory fantasy about millions of Jews dying? That's ripe.

And thanks for one of the dumbest assessments of the Palestinian situation I've heard in my entire life. I've heard more balanced stuff on Al-Jazeera.

 

[TStar]

haha, editing your post doesn't change the content of the emails i get about new posts... but you don't really believe i will answer to that insult,do you?

and no, it's louis de funes in my "dumbass" avatar. never mind,you're no2 on my ignore list.

 

[SilverBulletES]

Your words insulted my eyes. The ignoring will be mutual.

 

[i12drivemyMP5]

Nothing has changed about the way Germans view Jews, they learned nothing except how to put on act for the rest of the world to think they have changed. Fooling themselves to believe no one notices.

 

[TStar]

do you know the feeling when a statement is so beyond all stupidity that you don't think you'll find the appropriate answer to it? the biggest racism and the worst bigotry i ever came across in my life, i found it on THIS very forum, and not in the 28 years before i joined here.

you have absolutely no idea about germany or the germans at all and you dare to make such a comment? you shall burn in hell for the mindless poison you spread.