XEDE Tech support thread & User maps

[Nutari]

This thread will be for all your XEDE questions and answers. It will also be your source for user map downloads for various mods.

I will be checking this thread daily to answer any questions you may have.
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[StephanieT]

Does the Xede control the Boost?



Just Kidding!!! (poke)
Stephanie

 

[Grodzman]

Cheers guys, thanks for the support!

I know I've been a little bit of a devil's advocate in your thread...but I do sincerely like your software and tuning solution.

BTW -- Good luck sourcing some connectors to make this bad boy plug & play.

 

[flyrevs]

What about boost cut? LOL

 

[Pololo_MS3]

This is AWESOME!!

Nutari,
Way to go

I am just waiting for a "bundle deal" where I get the XEDE, IC, Intake and exhaust

Stephanie,
When are we getting this?

Heck I'll do the install myself and even help guys with the install here, even if it's not P&P

Carlos

 

[benzo]

How does the downloading the maps work? Lets say I have a stock motor, I put on the unit? Then lets say I put on a cat back. Will there be a map that stats "catback"? After install of exhaust then simply Install software map to XEDE and you done?

 

[Nutari]

How does the downloading the maps work? Lets say I have a stock motor, I put on the unit? Then lets say I put on a cat back. Will there be a map that stats "catback"? After install of exhaust then simply Install software map to XEDE and you done?

More and more maps will become available as more mods are added to a car. Granted there will be minor differences between exhausts and air intakes, etc.. To load a new map: Turn key on. Connect computer to Xede unit. Open the desired map file. Press <ctrl U> to upload the map. Press <ctrl B> to burn the map. Turn key off. That's it.

 

[turbofever]

Did you get some software so you can tune it your self?

 

[Nutari]

Did you get some software so you can tune it your self?

Yes, its called XMAP. Fairly easy to use.

I posted examples in the other thread. I will copy them here as it pertains to this thread more.


We now have XEDE boost control working in both absolute
and intercept modes. In absolute mode, you simply input
your desired wastegate duty cycles as a function of load and RPM and
your factory boost control hardware does the rest.

In intercept mode, instead of inputting actual duty cycle values, you input offset to stock. For example, if you want 14.8% more boost , you simply put "14.8%" in the desired cells in your boost map.

In either mode, you have the ability to run a RPM-dependant boost profile of your choice. This is far superior to using a stand-alone boost controller,
most of which are only capable of holding one boost level all the way
up to redline. Also, the boost control logic in the XEDE greatly
improves both low RPM and partial-throttle boost response

 

[FRUCTOSE]

This type of tuning makes life so much easier!!

Xede is a great tuning tool! New cars (like the MS3) are the best, because they are much easier to mod and tune. My dsm was the worst (non-eprom). I have to change my tune everytime the weather changes or if I change my plugs, its annoying.

More and more maps will become available as more mods are added to a car.

That's what cobb did for the wrx on there tuning software and its amazing, its so much easier to just download the map then having to start over after every mod you do.

 

[benzo]

That downloading sounds like a piece of cake. Cant wait to get that upgrade.

 

[JimmyMac]

Okay, question. I have on order the CP-E CAI, ETS 3.5 TMIC, AWR mount, and a BOV. Now if I decide to get the Xede. Is it absolutely necessary to have a dyno run to tune when I add stuff on? How will I exactly know what to tune? Am I tuning off the results from Xede Data Logging feature? I know there will be support over the phone. And I know maps will be downloadable later on. But this doesn't cover all the bases. I'm just trying to figure this out before I make the jump. I'm currently goin over the "How to Tune the XEDE" file. So this should give me a general idea of what's goin on. Perhaps a simple quick run down of what is done might help. Thanks...

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Okay, question. I have on order the CP-E CAI, ETS 3.5 TMIC, AWR mount, and a BOV. Now if I decide to get the Xede. Is it absolutely necessary to have a dyno run to tune when I add stuff on? How will I exactly know what to tune? Am I tuning off the results from Xede Data Logging feature? I know there will be support over the phone. And I know maps will be downloadable later on. But this doesn't cover all the bases. I'm just trying to figure this out before I make the jump. I'm currently goin over the "How to Tune the XEDE" file. So this should give me a general idea of what's goin on. Perhaps a simple quick run down of what is done might help. Thanks...

a dyno run is not required. tunability on the street can be achieved with a laptop in the car and reading your air fuel ratio from a wideband such as the AEM UEGO. as you add each successive mod you can go in and tweak the maps where you need to based off of these readings.

some people will argue that street tunes are better than straight dyno tunes in terms of providing an overall better street experience. i feel a combination of both street tuning and dyno tuning will provide the best overall map.

 

[Pololo_MS3]

a dyno run is not required. tunability on the street can be achieved with a laptop in the car and reading your air fuel ratio from a wideband such as the AEM UEGO. as you add each successive mod you can go in and tweak the maps where you need to based off of these readings.

some people will argue that street tunes are better than straight dyno tunes in terms of providing an overall better street experience. i feel a combination of both street tuning and dyno tuning will provide the best overall map.

But he will still need to place a wideband O2 sensor and as far as I know the O2 sensor in this car is the narrowband type

Also don't you need to place this sensor about 18"-36" from the exhaust manifold? This will require drilling and placing a threaded connector down the stream; If you do this, you might as well add a sensor for a EGT gauge, etc etc,,,

This will easily be a $500 addition and although, this to me is the most accurate way of tuning, it's a bit expensive as this will easily cover 6 dyno tuning runs If a technician sees this, he might question why you did this and warranty could be at risk

I am planning on adding everything at once (XEDE, exhaust, intake, IC) and tune it on the dyno

Any other way of tuning?
Carlos

 

[Nutari]

Also don't you need to place this sensor about 18"-36" from the exhaust manifold? This will require drilling and placing a threaded connector down the stream; If you do this, you might as well add a sensor for a EGT gauge, etc etc,,,

This will easily be a $500 addition and although, this to me is the most accurate way of tuning, it's a bit expensive as this will easily cover 6 dyno tuning runs If a technician sees this, he might question why you did this and warranty could be at risk

Carlos

Yes
Why would you also need any other gauge sensors?
AEM = $280 shipped + $20-40 to weld on the bung

Technician would not be able to even see the extra bung unless he got under the car and knew what he was looking at. Even then, all he sees is an extra 02 sensor which cant possibly void your warranty.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

But he will still need to place a wideband O2 sensor and as far as I know the O2 sensor in this car is the narrowband type

Also don't you need to place this sensor about 18"-36" from the exhaust manifold? This will require drilling and placing a threaded connector down the stream; If you do this, you might as well add a sensor for a EGT gauge, etc etc,,,

This will easily be a $500 addition and although, this to me is the most accurate way of tuning, it's a bit expensive as this will easily cover 6 dyno tuning runs If a technician sees this, he might question why you did this and warranty could be at risk

I am planning on adding everything at once (XEDE, exhaust, intake, IC) and tune it on the dyno

Any other way of tuning?
Carlos

you could also use an adapter to run the sensor in the tailpipe. this is more or less what a dyno run would do, take readings from the tailpipe. either way you are tuning from a 5 volt air to fuel ratio. for the most accurate reading, yes 36 inches downstream from your turbocharger is where you want to be.

EGT is somewhat redundant in my opinion when you have a wideband. i know some people disagree with me on that.

could a technician void your warranty if you weld in a bung and run a wideband o2 sensor? sure, he could make the argument. we voided warranties at my dealership for boost gauges and boost controllers that were sitting in the trunk, uninstalled, based off the customer's intentions - hows that for cruel? can you fight the dealer or mazda on that? sure.

like it or not, modding your car is a pay to play situation. there is always going to be a risk of getting caught, always going to be a risk of doing harm, whether those risks are major or minor. part of modding your vehicle is acknowledgement of that possibility of risk. can the risk be minimized, certainly it can. can it be eliminated entirely? i guess if you don't want to modify the car period then yes it can. analyze the modification you are about to make and weigh the possibilities and gains. knowing your dealer and having a good relationship with the dealer is also something. if adding a sensor to the stock exhaust is going to make your dealer flip out, then i suppose adding an aftermarket exhaust is totally out of the question? if thats the case and warranty is paramount to you, that dealer may not be the best dealer to go to.

just my .02

 

[Rotus8]

The company PLX Devices (http://www.plxdevices.com/products_widebandO2.htm) has a wideband sensor with a box that produces a narrow band simulator output. You can replace the OEM narrow band sensor with the wide band in the stock location. Then wire the box to the original ECU input, plus to a wideband A/F gage. No exhaust modification and you can swap it back if you are paranoid about the warranty.

I have no affiliation with this company, but I have one of their products and it works a treat.

 

[dread]

captain I would hate to go to the dealership that you worked at. For my first oil change I brought my techs and service advisor, some donuts.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

For my first oil change I brought my techs and service advisor, some donuts.

being nice to your dealership definetely helps out when it comes time for them to help you out

 

[desperado-c]

captain I would hate to go to the dealership that you worked at. For my first oil change I brought my techs and service advisor, some donuts.

Smart. I see a career in politics or sales ahead for you. I try to be friendly enough, but it's hard to hide that I think they're gonna try to screw me over at the first opportunity.