Would you buy a MAZDASPEED2?

[Helder M2]

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[EconoBox]

You won't see a Speed2 for awhile - not until Mazda is out of its current financial rut...

 

[Font Motorsports]

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Autoblog.com posted an article today titled Slow-selling Mazda2 may not be renewed for U.S.

As with its platform-mate, the Ford Fiesta, the Mazda2 hasn't exactly made hay with the monthly sales numbers. Unlike it's Ford relative, however, Mazda isn't committed to sticking it out with the Mazda2 in the U.S. Ford has gone on record as saying it will remain committed to the Fiesta here, while a report in Automotive News claims the next-generation Mazda2, due around 2014, might skip our shores. The lack of momentum in the U.S. subcompact market is one of the causes, as is the Mazda2's price: with an asking price of $14,530, it is only $670 less expensive than the four-door Mazda3.

The Japanese company is focusing on its volume models and on getting its Skyactiv technologies fully integrated throughout the line. We've now got a full look at the Mazda6, and AN suggest the 2.2-liter twin-turbo diesel with 170 horsepower and 310 pound feet of torque could come to the U.S. after the sedan is launched here.

The next Mazda3 will be a showcase of lightweight and efficient Skyactiv tech, with 2.0-liter and 2.5-liter direct-injection engines on offer, a diesel and i-Eloop regenerative braking being considered. The lighter, more powerful MX-5 Miata is expected to be here in about two years time, and a rotary-powered sports car is still being worked on well behind the scenes.

Just like I've been saying for a while now. I was afraid that we would not see a next-generation Mazda 2. If this actually happens we can say goodbye to our MAZDASPEED2 dreams. At least in the US.

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These comments make me gag.

We have been over this so many times before, in USA it does not make any sense to buy such a small car, for a few extra K you can get a bigger and a better car like Mazda3, Civic, Focus, Elantra.

The "American roads are too big for small cars" point of view.

It would still look butt-ugly.

Serves it right. Idiotic design, gaping mouth grille, front-heavy. Bring in the clone (Fiesta)!

These guys obviously haven't seen my Secret Mazda2 Photo Stash thread.

I saw two very fat ladies squeeze into a Mazda 2 and it almost sank to the floor. There is too small and this is.

That's the fault of American society, not the car.

So true.

It's built in Mexico.

Oh man...

The smile/grin on the front of almost all of their models made me run away, the front of a car needs to have a more agressive / ballsy look, not like "have a nice day". It really makes the car look like a Barbie Buggy or Kids Ride. The person who designed tha front ends of thier models should be fired.

This is a mode of transportation, not a sports car. Making it look "aggressive / ballsy" would be like giving giving Justin Bieber a barb wire tattoo around his arm... it's just draw attention where it's not wanted, and it invites others to prove how inadequate you really are.

I guess i should stop my Build Thread then huh? Darn.

 

[Antoine]

How many Mazda2s have been sold in North America to date...Any confirmed numbers?

 

[Font Motorsports]

How many Mazda2s have been sold in North America to date...Any confirmed numbers?

If you go to this link ( Mazda USA Media ) Then enter "mazda 2 sales" in the search and enter. You'll go to a page with PDF links of all the sales numbers. Maybe you can make out the numbers better than i can.

 

[c7scayman]

According to that link.
2011 Sales of the Mazda 2 were roughly 13,900, compared to the Mazda 3's sales of 102,000 in 2011.

Currently in 2012, they are averaging 1100 Mazda 2 sales per month nationwide. So I would estimate 2012 total sales for the Mazda 2 to be around 13,200.

 

[Font Motorsports]

According to that link.
2011 Sales of the Mazda 2 were roughly 13,900, compared to the Mazda 3's sales of 102,000 in 2011.

Currently in 2012, they are averaging 1100 Mazda 2 sales per month nationwide. So I would estimate 2012 total sales for the Mazda 2 to be around 13,200.

Good job man. Thanks for the numbers. Compared to the Mazda3 sales that is bad, but is it that bad? 1100 Mazda 2's a month seems ok for a sub-compact. Obviously we don't know what Mazda spends to make the 2 and ship it over to the US. I wonder if they would have brought over the premium version of the Mazda2. One with all the good stuff that we don't get. Would it sell more? I can answer that one. Probably worse. American's are just not into premium sub-compact hatches.

 

[Antoine]

Thanks for the numbers! Interesting questions too...When you say premium sub-compacts...Do you mean, Japanese premium / fully loaded sub-compacts? Seems the North American market currently thinks if it's compact and premium, it has got to be European..?

While those numbers are better than nothing, I think Mazda wants models in markets where they sell in high volume right off the bat...Not after years of marketing and implementing adoption strategies.

Personally, I really like the 2 and would love to see it continue in North America...Give it time and it could be a big seller...Especially a next gen SkyActiv version with more power and better mpg...What I would love to see of course is a MAZDASPEED2 that is so awesome it drives sales of the normal Mazda2!

 

[SuperProtege5]

I'm kinda surprised that with the 2 competing in B-Spec, it isn't selling more. For a company that prides itself on having more cars on track on any given weekend, I'd think that Mazda would want to tout the track capabilities of the 2 along with the benefits of a sub-compact.

 

[crazyDC5]

I spoke with my Mazda dealers US operations spokesperson today about the interest shown on this and other Mazda sites in getting a MazdaSpeed 2 developed and his response was that the Mazda 2 and the whole B segment is not doing well in the US. The impression I got was that a Speed 2 would never happen and more then likely the Mazda 2 line itself may die completly here in the US! With all the Skyactive re-designs of the Mazda line the Mazda 2 may become obsulete altogether. When you can get 55mpg+ in a skyactive D equipt 6 why do you need a compact car? We are big fat americans remember?

 

[Font Motorsports]

Thanks for the numbers! Interesting questions too...When you say premium sub-compacts...Do you mean, Japanese premium / fully loaded sub-compacts? Seems the North American market currently thinks if it's compact and premium, it has got to be European..?

Exactly Antoine. You know full well that the UK and other Asian countries get the full spec premium Mazda 2's. Projector Headlights, Key-less Entry, Fully Integrated Entertainment Systems, Several wheel options, Sky-Active, the list goes on. American's do not.

American's just don't like hatchbacks of any kind. This is why manufactures are either bringing in cheap affordable hatches or not bringing them in at all. The US is where hatchbacks go to die. Mostly anyways... the Mini and the GTi are great sellers. Not surprisingly they both have premium options.

While those numbers are better than nothing, I think Mazda wants models in markets where they sell in high volume right off the bat...Not after years of marketing and implementing adoption strategies.

Agreed on your point. In the Mazda 2 article that i posted from Autoblog there's a person that posted in the comments sections something similar to this, "Wow! That car is nice! I didn't even know Mazda made that one!." Failed advertising man. Mazda had one commercial that i saw on tv that ran for about a week and i never saw it again.

Personally, I really like the 2 and would love to see it continue in North America...Give it time and it could be a big seller...Especially a next gen SkyActiv version with more power and better mpg...What I would love to see of course is a MAZDASPEED2 that is so awesome it drives sales of the normal Mazda2!

So would i. I would love to see it evolve. To hatch new versions. The 2 doors. A premium version. A MAZDASPEED2. Don't hold your breath Antoine. American's see the Mazda 2 as a grocery getter and that's all. "Why would anyone want an aggressive version of a grocery getter?", "It's too smaller for American roads." That's the thought process.

Sometimes i want to pack up and move to Europe. Where the hatchbacks go to LIVE!!

 

[exalted_one]

I don't think the normal 2 is going to make it much less a MS2.

It really needs something to set it apart.

Basically there is nothing about it that makes me say damn I want that car because _________.


If it was cheaper I would be considering it, like $11k base.
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If it had the 2.5mzr I would consider it.
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If it got mid 40's MPG via skyactive I would consider it.


Until then I don't see why someone would choose this over the Mazda 3, other than the retarded front fiasco the 3 has.

 

[c7scayman]

According to that link.
2011 Sales of the Mazda 2 were roughly 13,900, compared to the Mazda 3's sales of 102,000 in 2011.

Currently in 2012, they are averaging 1100 Mazda 2 sales per month nationwide. So I would estimate 2012 total sales for the Mazda 2 to be around 13,200.

I also read that 3 Mazda's sold worse than the Mazda 2 in 2011 and 2012. That was the Mazda RX-8, Mazda 5, and Mazda Mx-5.

 

[Ryno666]

How's the Abarth selling?

 

[Font Motorsports]

Until then I don't see why someone would choose this over the Mazda 3, other than the retarded front fiasco the 3 has.

I bought it because of the fact that it was smaller. Crazy huh? Also because it cost me around $15,400, has good enough fuel economy, has a great manual, is lightweight and handles great. I think all those are pretty good reasons to buy the Mazda 2.

Most of all it has high customization potential ( as seen here ) If you don't think those are nice looking hatchbacks, then... i don't know. To each their own right?

 

[Font Motorsports]

I also read that 3 Mazda's sold worse than the Mazda 2 in 2011 and 2012. That was the Mazda RX-8, Mazda 5, and Mazda Mx-5.

Ouch. Mazda 2 looking rosie.

 

[Font Motorsports]

How's the Abarth selling?

Don't know. I've see a couple around Miami, but i can say the same for the Mazda 2.

 

[magnumP5]

Fiat 500's aren't selling very well at all.

I purchased my 2 for three reasons: small, fuel efficiency, and cheap. It's also a Mazda so I knew it would be relatively fun to drive versus something like a Yaris or Versa. Based on that the 2 seemed like a pretty good choice. Sure a more efficient engine would be nice, but its competitors with more powerful/fuel-efficient engines are also more expensive.

 

[Rockin03mp5]

I dont see why mazda cannot keep selling the 2 here. They still sell the 5, and they know it is a niche vehicle and dont expect it to sell lots.

I think a skyactive engine getting better than 40mpg would really help it.

From what ive seen though, the EPA mileage numbers for most mazdas do not reflect the real world. People are getting better mileage in the 2 compaired to the fiesta, even though it should be the other way around.

 

[Font Motorsports]

I think a skyactive engine getting better than 40mpg would really help it.

Agreed.