WOMP Supercharger Info

[Super Matty P]

whats really funny about this is his friend Protito came to me and apologized for being an ass and said he and his "friends" had talked it over and thought they were too hard on me......

I give him another warning about instigating arguments on protegeclub and un-ban him.

NOW I wake up to find this series of posts from his friends....supposedly the same friends who realized they were "too hard on me".


Ever since the first day I mentioned doing this I've never hidden any info from anyone. I've had no problems explaining why I've done what I've done. I've been 100% upfront and honest with everyone. If you don't like my product or feel it's a waste of time and money that's fine. Don't waste your time and money. I've NEVER begged anyone to buy anything from me. I've even made sure to tell several people on several occassions...."this may not be for you". I'm not a thief or a con artist. I'm a tuner and I'm trying to innovate and create. I'd like to think of myself as an artist but instead of paints I dabble in superchargers.

 

[Super Matty P]

wow....can we NOT continue this garbage further....I got all excited when I thought someone wanted to talk about the supercharger.

a mod wanna come and delete the OT junk please?!?!

 

[noclue119]

sorry i deleted it

 

[digitalpro5]

Anyways...so hows this thing going. I've been going back and forth from the protegeclub.com forum to here. I tend not to post in the other forum since its all the same info anyways. But I'm hoping this would be a great product.

Not sure if its has been answered before, but whats louder the supercharger (WOMP) or the turbos (MAM, HiBoost, ...). From the sound of the videos of the WOMP, that thing is loud! From what I've read the 6-7psi WOMP will have more horse power then the 6-7 psi reliable power from the Turbos? Will this same 6-7 psi be as reliable on an auto as it would be if it was a turbo setup. Since the WOMP will produce more HP with the same psi levels as a turbo, wouldn't reliability be hampered? Sorry so confused I got $3000 at the moment for some boosting on this auto of mine but I have an auto and want it to be reliable as a day to day driver.

But its so much better having a Boosted p5 then lets say a factoried sc or turbo'd car like an EVO or WRX, because it'll be unique.

 

[Super Matty P]

all power estimates were just that.....estimates. I won't be fully tuned and dyno'd until 1-29/30. I should have pics, vids and dyno's online 2-1-05.

6-7psi from this supercharger will make a good bit of air. I actually think I will have some bad dyno numbers because I won't be able to reach redline on the stock block at 6.5psi. I think I may have to limit the dyno pulls to 4500rpms or so so I don't damage the shortblock. If thats the case I'll have to get another pulley made (probably 4psi) and start again.

If all goes well I should have concrete pricing and details for the first group buy on 3-1-05. I'd like to have this ready to go in time for income tax refund time!

I know this much about the GB...it's going to be a minimum of 5 buyers but 10+ would really drop the price.

I'm sorta being stingy though. I'd like to be the only one for a while but if the demand is there I won't turn away your money.


p.s. automatic kits won't be available immediatly. Rism will be getting the first kit for an automatic and pending his review we may have to alter things. I may include tranny coolers and different pulleys/belts.

 

[digitalpro5]

Its all good, I know its taking a lot of R&D with this thing. At least its an option to a lot of us, since from what I've read a super charger is a much better option for the streets. Well hopefully the auto version won't take to long to be available after everything else becomes available. Let RISM guinea pig that car for 2-3 months then if all goes well I'll be a customer. I'm going to be sitting on this money for awhile till all the options for go fast parts are available.

 

[MPNick]

From what I've read the 6-7psi WOMP will have more horse power then the 6-7 psi reliable power from the Turbos? Will this same 6-7 psi be as reliable on an auto as it would be if it was a turbo setup. Since the WOMP will produce more HP with the same psi levels as a turbo, wouldn't reliability be hampered? .

IMO there is no chance in hell that you will ever get the same gain from any super charger. Any turbo system that is built right will always make more power per pound of boost then any superchager kit. You can see as much as two times the power per pound of boost with the turbo.

I may be wrong, but based on what I have seen I think I am right. After he dynos we will know for sure.

 

[Super Matty P]

oh s***, here we go again.....will a mod please remove mpnick from my threads please???

I think he's forgetting the fact that there is a difference between 6psi from a T25 and 6psi from a T60. Maybe he's too stupid to realize that my supercharger is HUGE and won't require nearly the same amount of boost as a turbo to make equal power.

For the love of God please keep him out of my threads..

 

[MPNick]

oh s***, here we go again.....will a mod please remove mpnick from my threads please???

I think he's forgetting the fact that there is a difference between 6psi from a T25 and 6psi from a T60. Maybe he's too stupid to realize that my supercharger is HUGE and won't require nearly the same amount of boost as a turbo to make equal power.

For the love of God please keep him out of my threads..

Get a dyno sheet first and lets see what you make.

 

[Super Matty P]

how bout you get the **** out of my threads first?? I've already posted when I would be tuned and dyno'd. GO THE **** AWAY you feta-jockey

 

[edaddeemsp]

Damn matty p, how many people do you not get along with? jk. I personally drive a msp so the supercharger will not be the route for me, but a very good upgrade for those that drive n/a right now. And also, imo, you may want to start with a different pulley as you stated to keep the boost around 4-4.5 psi, this because the boost caused by a belt driven is constant, doesn't take spool time, thus creating more consistent pressure on your block. Anyway good luck, and try to take peoples comments more as being impatient, to see how the design works, not as constant negative feedback

 

[Rism]

Damn matty p, how many people do you not get along with? jk. I personally drive a msp so the supercharger will not be the route for me, but a very good upgrade for those that drive n/a right now. And also, imo, you may want to start with a different pulley as you stated to keep the boost around 4-4.5 psi, this because the boost caused by a belt driven is constant, doesn't take spool time, thus creating more consistent pressure on your block. Anyway good luck, and try to take peoples comments more as being impatient, to see how the design works, not as constant negative feedback

go read the other WOMP thread that got locked. You will see why matty is fed up with this guy.

 

[Super Matty P]

you have a good point edadd. The reason I chose to make this size pulley was because it is a 6.5psi pulley on a 6500rpm redline....which means 1psi per 1k rpms. This should give me a more accurate way of determining how efficient everything is.

Once the tuning and dyno is done I will be making a few various sized pulleys to experiment with but for this first base run I wanted to make something very generic.


p.s. there are only 3 people that I say I fight with....everyone else i just disagree with.

 

[edaddeemsp]

I skimmed through it. point taken. i guess maybe this stemmed from something even more further back than that thread. But I still don't understand the arguing about it. Anyway, mattyp good luck with your product. I'll be awaiting the outcome on this one.

 

[edaddeemsp]

you have a good point edadd. The reason I chose to make this size pulley was because it is a 6.5psi pulley on a 6500rpm redline....which means 1psi per 1k rpms. This should give me a more accurate way of determining how efficient everything is.

Once the tuning and dyno is done I will be making a few various sized pulleys to experiment with but for this first base run I wanted to make something very generic.


p.s. there are only 3 people that I say I fight with....everyone else i just disagree with.

I hope your blocks already reinforced, because due to the pieces and products that your using everything should be more than effecient, except for the block.
This might be a stupid question or statement, but, if you slapped a s/c on a p5 with a wheel rated for 6.5psi, wouldn't the addition of a u/d pulley up the boost a notch or so? Just thought i'd ask. Cause if so, before the product release date you may want to consider a trio of pulleys for the s/c at 4, 6.5, 9 psi. Just a thought.

 

[Super Matty P]

UDP's are not reccomended for a supercharger application for various reasons. I've spent hours working the numbers to make my blower pulley equal the amount of boost i want to run. I cannot know what the size of various UDP's are and they could drastically change boost levels. I will personally be running UDP's just not a crank udp. Shane Racing makes UDP's for the waterpump and alternator which will not affect boost levels.

I will offer custom pulleys in any size from 3psi to 13psi for stock blowers. Customers can order upgraded blowers from me for an extra $300 that will include better bearings and a full kevlar belt. This will allow boost levels up to 15psi.

also, my block is stock and will be tested as a "stock block" kit. I'm limiting the power of this kit to work within the proven limits of the stock pistons and rods. Making power isn't the problem. It's controlling it! When the retail kit is finished testing I will be swapping in a forged shortblock and new injectors and I'll start going to town with it.

 

[edaddeemsp]

Good s***! For the sake of yourself along with potential customers-good luck. I'll be waiting for the dyno #'s along with product pics and reviews of the womp.

 

[Super Matty P]

I'm not real worried about it bombing or anything....it'll do one of three things.

1. It'll be awesome and I'll sell a hundred kits.

2. It'll be ok and I'll sell 10 kits.

3. It'll bomb and I'll be able to say I've done something no'one else has from start to finish.

 

[Bigg Tim]

how bout you get the **** out of my threads first?? I've already posted when I would be tuned and dyno'd. GO THE **** AWAY you feta-jockey

Why do you have to be a little b****? He didn't bash your product, just stated his opinion. Are you that affraid of being wrong that you can't take constructive criticism? You went in his threads and bashed his s***, so you get what you give. If they stop him from posting because you're a faggot that can't take what you dish out, I'll take over and do it even worse. Ease up and take the criticism like everyone else.

 

[Super Matty P]

Eat me Tim. MPNick is an idiot and his posting about my product proves that...the dumbass doesn't know anything about compressor sizing or that different sized blowers make different amounts of power at the same level....why would you EVER think he's so great?!?!

I can take criticism...in fact I do it all the time. If you noticed I stopped posting in his threads a long time ago. I did it because MPNick wasn't able to bash me so he stooped to bashing Juan who is VERY well respected on here. That's weak. He's weak, you're weak.