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$400+ is just insane for a DP! (boom07)
I know there are not 5000000000000 MS6s running around, but still...
I know there are not 5000000000000 MS6s running around, but still...
Why are DPs so expensive for these cars?!
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DSMConvert
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its all production size and the ability to distribute the fixed costs...CNC mandrel benders aren't cheap(the one we were using was a tad over $200K) so spreading it across 5,000 units vs. say 50,000 units for a wrx dp makes a huge difference. Now not including overhead I personally could probably whip these things up for under $100....BUT when you factor in the monthly lease payment on a $200K bender, the $50K laser cutter, and a $1500 tig welder you can't sell them for $200 apiece and stay in business when you're only moving a qty of 5,000ish a year.
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DSMConvert said:
QTF...... it all has to do with "supply and demand"
If there were more people buying parts for MS6s then the parts would probably go down in price.......but on the PLUS side I like the fact that not every ricer boy is running around with a MS6 like they are with hondas and acuras..... making them ugly and butchering the cars (braindead
nothing is stopping you from going to any local muffler shop and paying a guy $200 for a DP, just take a picture of the one he makes you and compare it to one made by the machines listed above and you will see what the difference in price is getting you. I learned this the hard way with exhausts on my cars lol
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well the biggy is mandrel vs. bent...very very few exhaust shops that do 1 off work have a mandrel bender... materials isn't really a big factor, aluminized steel dps function just the same as aluminum...aluminum just looks pretty....b/c I mean you never know when you'll have people looking at the underside of your car 
. I have a local guy that does awesome work if I supply the mandrel bends...
. I have a local guy that does awesome work if I supply the mandrel bends...fordracing89
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Having a couple of turbo cars I do know a thing or two about adding an extra oxygen sensor bung, and whoever priced theirs at 200 bucks is making a killing.
Average cost for an extra bung welded in where you want it for the bung itself let's go overboard and say 30 dollars.. Average price of 10-15 depending on where you buy it. Average shop time for local welder, charging you one hour labor to cut the hole with a hole saw and weld in the bung with their 30 plus years of welding experience 70 bucks, last time I had one done down the road here, he told me if I showed him where I wanted it and he could get to it he would just charge me 20 bucks to weld it in.
Now the mandrel bending is where the money is at. Like stated before somewhere the machines are expensive.. Plus the limited number of our cars and the lack of interchange with others.
From my turbo experience a 3 inch flange into a 3 inch downpipe you can run a single 3 inch all the way back or you can split it out into 2 2.5 inch pipes into your choice of mufflers., Either way they both rate about the same. AS for adding more power well there is a little to gain but more importantly less restrictive allowing the turbo a quicker spool up time. I think it was maximum boost a book by corky bell been years since I read over it but that should be on the desktop of all the new turbo owners and at a 20 dollar price tag not too bad of an investment for the knowledge it posesses.
Feel free to flame and as for a turbo timer none of my cars have them, my SVO is well past 200k miles and the turbocoupe at a 120k. The main problem was the weak valve seals ford used and now has discontinued.
Average cost for an extra bung welded in where you want it for the bung itself let's go overboard and say 30 dollars.. Average price of 10-15 depending on where you buy it. Average shop time for local welder, charging you one hour labor to cut the hole with a hole saw and weld in the bung with their 30 plus years of welding experience 70 bucks, last time I had one done down the road here, he told me if I showed him where I wanted it and he could get to it he would just charge me 20 bucks to weld it in.
Now the mandrel bending is where the money is at. Like stated before somewhere the machines are expensive.. Plus the limited number of our cars and the lack of interchange with others.
From my turbo experience a 3 inch flange into a 3 inch downpipe you can run a single 3 inch all the way back or you can split it out into 2 2.5 inch pipes into your choice of mufflers., Either way they both rate about the same. AS for adding more power well there is a little to gain but more importantly less restrictive allowing the turbo a quicker spool up time. I think it was maximum boost a book by corky bell been years since I read over it but that should be on the desktop of all the new turbo owners and at a 20 dollar price tag not too bad of an investment for the knowledge it posesses.
Feel free to flame and as for a turbo timer none of my cars have them, my SVO is well past 200k miles and the turbocoupe at a 120k. The main problem was the weak valve seals ford used and now has discontinued.
fordracing89
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yup and a Mustang SVO. Hence the sig, 3 2.3 turbo cars in the drive wayt.
Turbocoupe is a slush box for the ailing R shoulder. SVO has a super stiff clutch. MS 6 comfort cruiser with room for family.
Turbocoupe is a slush box for the ailing R shoulder. SVO has a super stiff clutch. MS 6 comfort cruiser with room for family.
Man......my father had an '88 turbocoupe...... I wanted that thing so bad when I was 16, it would have been my first car.....lol but he said the A/C needed to be fixed and would have cost $4,000....... nowadays when we talk about cars he tells me there's 2 cars he's ALWAYS regretted not keeping.........
his '69 z28 camaro, and his '88 turbo coupe thunderbird.....
I envy you.... I wish I could find one for sale these days......lol little project car to work on, got any pics of your turbo coupe?
his '69 z28 camaro, and his '88 turbo coupe thunderbird.....
I envy you.... I wish I could find one for sale these days......lol little project car to work on, got any pics of your turbo coupe?
fordracing89 said:
well if you think that they are paying 200 for a extra 02 bung then you don't know as much about turbo cars as you think.
this is a $200 TiTek Evo 02 housing. Besides the Megan Racing 02 housing($140) and Helix ($185) it is the next cheapest o2 housing. oh and by the way the TiTek is an absolute work of art.
This is a HAFE EVO cast 02 housing - price $395
and while i can build a DP for an evo for about $150 or buy megan racings at around the same price, you still need an o2 housing to get what we are getting.
I'll be the first one to b**** about test pipe prices but some stuff the high prices are warrented because go look at some evo parts prices and if you really want your bum hole to hurt go look at some of the Supra part prices.
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well with DSMs...we're extremely cheap, so we normally port out our stock o2 housing...hehe the reason dsm parts are so cheap, is well because we're so cheap. Wanna find someone who can make an awesome quality part for things bought from home depot and the trash can? Just follow a dsm driver home... We're the kings of dirty cheap, nasty fast cars....now we just need to work on the reliability issues....sigh crankwalk, separating pulleys, the list just goes on and on...
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This is why our downpipes are so expensive.......
304 stainless provides better "durability" over 409...... and a TIG weld is a much better weld than MIG, and is a slower, longer weld to complete and must be done by a highly trained professional.
(and please don't tell me any joker can do a TIG weld cause I have friends that custom fab stuff on their cars and they can't do TIG welds half as good as a professional company can).
304 stainless provides better "durability" over 409...... and a TIG weld is a much better weld than MIG, and is a slower, longer weld to complete and must be done by a highly trained professional.
(and please don't tell me any joker can do a TIG weld cause I have friends that custom fab stuff on their cars and they can't do TIG welds half as good as a professional company can).
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AWDTerror said:
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See the post above. That is what I was replying too.
So as you said spend the 150 bones and add an O2 bung yourself. Now if your talking about a 'housing'--> that has to be added to the flange itself vs the bung itself that is something different.
IF their stock 5 bolt flange does not have a spot for an O2 all it takes is adding one. So show me a stock EVO or STI or one of the Speed6's stock flanges vs your titek piece. BTW the pictured flange is from 40bob.com and the stock 5 bolt flange is from an SVO he just adjusts them into a 3 inch. They do have the O2 spot in them.
