Where Is Mazda Headed Next?

[Monterra]

I agree the 6 needs more help now than the CX-5 does. However, I do think they missed a golden opportunity to add the 2.5T to the CX-5 with the 2017 refresh. I guess the thought the 2.2D was right around the corner.

I also agree about AWD. I have a feeling we're probably not getting AWD in the new 6, because they're probably looking at the Accord and Camry as class benchmarks and thinking since they don't have AWD, then the 6 doesn't need it either. Hopefully that's not what they're thinking, because I don't think you can claw market share back from the Accord and Camry by offering a new 6 that just has comparable features. There has to be something the 6 has that the others don't, besides styling. AWD is a good starting point because there aren't many AWD options left in this vehicle class. Just the Legacy and Fusion I think.

Maybe so on the 2.5T in the CX5 but I'd rather have the fe and tq of the diesel in that vehicle (versus a faster, less fe turbo) so from my perspective exactly what I wanted to see.

No question they would sell a crap load more 2.5T 6s if they come with or can be had with AWD- the fact that they'd be one of the few in the segment to offer it is all the more reason they absolutely should!!

 

[Xeler8ing]

Maybe so on the 2.5T in the CX5 but I'd rather have the fe and tq of the diesel in that vehicle (versus a faster, less fe turbo) so from my perspective exactly what I wanted to see.

No question they will sell a crap load more 2.5T 6s if they come with or can be had with AWD- the fact that they'd be one of the few in the segment to offer it is all the more reason they absolutely should!!

Over here its debatable if they will sell lots more 6s. Medium sized car segment (where the 6 resides) is shrinking along with passenger car sales in general due to booming SUV sales.

 

[Monterra]

For 2018 CX5 with cylinder deactivation >> diesel CX5 if you are not going to use the torque for towing or driving through mountains.
mpg difference will be minimal and no one would recoup the price difference imo.

As much as I want to call BS on this (certainly nothing personal) there are still too many unknowns really to make these claims either way- but I'm not too pumped about cylinder deactivation and my general feeling is its more trouble than its worth..I don't think it did much in my wife old POS Pilot and that thing knew how to guzzle fuel..and there was no doubt when those other 3 cylinders were coming back online...maybe Mazda will do a better job. At 75-80mph without ample power under hood I'm not sure 2 cylinders gets it done..you?

 

[Xeler8ing]

Cylinder deactivation on the Mazda only works on light throttle inputs. Don't think it would be operational at 75-80mph

 

[jthj]

And they could fix the infotainment issue by just supporting Apple Car Play and Android Auto already. I bet it’s a pissing match over touch screen while moving. Not rocket science here Mazda. Just give your customers what they want and they will reward you with their business.

 

[Xeler8ing]

And they could fix the infotainment issue by just supporting Apple Car Play and Android Auto already. I bet it’s a pissing match over touch screen while moving. Not rocket science here Mazda. Just give your customers what they want and they will reward you with their business.

Indeed and maybe upgrade the graphics too while they are at it (uhm)

 

[Monterra]

Cylinder deactivation on the Mazda only works on light throttle inputs. Don't think it would be operational at 75-80mph

Right so we're talking probably a few percent gain (maybe) but only in very light load situations where the 2.5 already does a pretty damn nice job imo- I'm saying MEH!

 

[Xeler8ing]

Right so we're talking probably a few percent gain (maybe) but only in very light load situations where the 2.5 already does a pretty damn nice job imo- I'm saying MEH!

(lol)

I think its aim is to provide more fuel efficiency during city travelling speeds rather than freeway

Anything to make it even better

 

[jthj]

In the us gas is cheap right now and consumers mostly are in don’t care mode. I suspect this is temporary but for now this just isn’t important for the US market.

 

[Xeler8ing]

In the us gas is cheap right now and consumers mostly are in don’t care mode. I suspect this is temporary but for now this just isn’t important for the US market.

You're probably correct.

Since fuel prices are high here, might actually make some difference here

 

[GJ-Molestor]

In the us gas is cheap right now and consumers mostly are in don’t care mode. I suspect this is temporary but for now this just isn’t important for the US market.

As of right now 87 octane is $4.6 per gallon and 5.41 for 91 octane here in Canada. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Monterra]

As of right now 87 octane is $4.6 per gallon and 5.41 for 91 octane here in Canada. Absolutely ridiculous.

That is..paying ~2.6 here- even currency converted you're a full buck over that..

 

[banjos-n-beer]

As of right now 87 octane is $4.6 per gallon and 5.41 for 91 octane here in Canada. Absolutely ridiculous.

On average I'm paying $3/gal for 91. About $2.50 for 87. And Maine is known to have somewhat higher prices.

 

[NelsonLewis]

On average I'm paying $3/gal for 91. About $2.50 for 87. And Maine is known to have somewhat higher prices.

$2.09 87 octane here this morn. Hurts to talk about to most,I know...

 

[banjos-n-beer]

$2.09 87 octane here this morn. Hurts to talk about to most,I know...

I bet cigs are still like $3-4/pack as well.

 

[Kaps]

I can eke out 34 mpg on work trips with current 2.5L. I think with cylinder deactivation i can add 2-3 to it. With 2.0 probably 38ish and 45+ with a 3.

 

[Monterra]

Ill take 38ish not trying in the awd diesel and ride that whoosh of torque all day long. Winter gas and tires now seeing 25-26 mostly hwy with some rolling hills @70-75...so yeah I honestly think I'd use ~200 fewer gallons making many less stops for fuel with the diesel and price spread almost nill right now...
650x2.63 = $1709 2.5 awd 2.5 annual fuel
450x2.7 = $1215 2.2 awd d
So yeah its gonna cost more up front but it does pay you back over time..in my case 500ish/yr..these are guesstimates obvously and I think you'd claw at least some of that up front cost back at resale time.

 

[Red MC]

Honda only gets about 2 mpg boost out of cylinder deactivation and that's on the highway. I'm not sure it's worth the complexity.

 

[jthj]

Especially for those of us doing more city. That’s where start/stop is more effective. Annoying though I’m actually kinda glad it doesn’t have have it lol.

 

[dougal]

I bet cigs are still like $3-4/pack as well.

We are a little higher in the Charleston area but I can still find it for 210-215. I can get 94 octoane non ethanol fuel for $2.50.