Where can you find 5qt jugs of 0W20?

I'd like to think the Mazda engineers have taken all climates into account when designing the engine and specifying which oil it should use. If they give a warranty on the engine and specify an oil grade, they have done some research. And the fact that Toyota and Honda (and likely many others to follow) are all using this grade seems to me that it has been proven to work in any climate.

Unless one of the people here debating their recommendations is an automotive engineer by trade, I think I'll trust Mazda.

You do not have to be an enginner to look at oil analysis results. Nor do you have to be an engineer to know that very few wording in a users manual for a Mazda 5 is there without bias straight from said engineer.


That said, and for the third(I think?) time. If it were my car, I would use the 20W until the warranty has expired, and probally after that as well.
 
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You have to remember that the warranties on cars versus the increased efficiency and quality have led to a balancing act. Did manufacturers pressure API to certify their oils at lower and lower zinc levels because engines are so great now that is not necessary or bad for the engine? No. They did it to weasel their way out of any emissions systems warranty claims knowing that the engines of today can handle piss poor oil and make it through the engine's warranty period. They also did it because the engine will get slightly better mileage with less resistance and make it through the engine's warranty period, which is a CAFE benefit to them with little regard for you. I don't trust manufacturer statements on oil because I know where their allegiance is. Money. Lower API standards also created an industry-wide phenomenon of higher recycling and purchasing of new cars. It's win-win if you build and sell cars. I'm sure the length of time that people hold on to cars is shorter than ever. It's all falling into place.

Meanwhile, I will use the highest quality oils possible that meet the manufacturer's requirements, and switch to the best oil available at 60,001 miles. If my model called for 0W-20, I would invent a novel scheme of lying about what I put into the car and have records showing what they want while putting in what I want. With 5W-20, I don't see the need to have to lie to anyone as long as I can put good quality oil in, but I will never, ever put 0W-20 in my car. People can say whatever they want, the proof is that oils shear to lower viscosities faster when the oil's start-up spec is lower. I've seen it over and over on BITOG.
 
Without having an oil analysis performed, it's all speculation...people will run what they will.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/oil-viscosity.php

I agree, but if you go on BITOG, enough have been done to make those conclusions. Whether you hit some limit that is an exact specification known to Mazda engineers is impossible to get from an oil analysis. Something that you can use from the data though is that your oil will shear to the point of winding up as a 20 weight oil when it started out as 30 weight. There are obviously lots of factors like what type of oil it is, what type of engine you have, weather at your location, vehicle's cooling system, etc. I ran 0W-20 Mobil 1 for a few weeks in my '06 F150 and when I drained it, it ran out like water. No thanks.
 

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