what to do with my cash

[racer x 3]

Okay... qaulity shops. I know several that wont do body kits. They take pride in the work they do and they dont want the shops name on something that wont look right. If your willing to spend the money and sadly to say 2500 doesnt cut it for... paint alone should run you just over a grand and then PROPER install can vary heavily on the qaulity on the kit.

Overboosting and things of the like are more to blame on the uneducated; then how you seem to think its a common problem. The 2.3 is a very proven strong motor. The design has been for a very long time. If your not a fool boosting can be a very safe experince and addicting. When you post time slips of your super fast NA setup or anyone for that matter i will believe.

Now if you want to do N/A because you know whats involved and the amount of money it takes then by all means go ahead, But dont think your going to be faster by any means... not without a lot of work.

thanks but i prefer going the "hard working" way... its more rewarding. as for the kit, lets just agree to disagree.

 

[Mr. Win]

id love to hear your "hard working" N/A ideas...

 

[racer x 3]

id love to hear your "hard working" N/A ideas...

lemme guess... your just one of those freakin' losers who just sits in the parking lot of denny's burning fuel just to listening to his BOV go off all god damned day huh....
whatever dude. if you know any s*** at all you'll know exactly what my plans are. i'm too tired for this crap tonite... i'll get back to you tomorrow. you've got your ass out. later.

 

[Mr. Win]

Acutally i think BOV are pointless on proteges. BPV all the way.

 

[tsunami]

racer x 3 corwin is right man... i am not taking sides but i have looked into the n/a side of things for our 2.3l and let me tell you it is a big undertaking.

for arguments sake the hiboost kit is 4200 plus tuning lets say a smooth 5G's now if you took that 5 grand and dropped it into an NA set up.

intake 200
exhaust 500
headers 250
flywheel 400
lightened pulleys 450
cos worth N/A built head 3200
high compression pistons and rods 1600
intake mani if you can get it to mount up as the only one is cosworth and its not made for our etb's but for arguments sake thats 800 thats before installation and engine management and you are well over the 5grand we established earlier and with all those go fast goodies you are going to have to get the engine and components blue printed and balanced to make it above 7200 rpm as the power band needs to be increased for true n/a power to at least 10k. so another 2500 or so for engine managment and balancing. then you need to tune it. thats a good 1500 considering all the variables you have.



so total you have a hiboost turbo kit that puts out 255-280 or so whp for 5G
the na set up i just stated above would prob be some where around those same numbers but the time and the money 11400 and prob more as thats with doing the installation/removing of parts to take to a place to balance and etc... so as you can see an n/a build would be great and i would love to see it/do it but monetarily its just not feasable to compete with a turbo kit on these engines.

 

[Mr. Win]

Not only that but to take advantage of HC pistons and the power of NA, standalone is a must.

intake 200
exhaust 500
headers 250
flywheel 400
lightened pulleys 450

Anything past that the jump is huge as far as cost goes...

Where turbo you can build slowly. If you blow the motor you forge it. Then your talking even more power and youve still spent less money.

 

[tsunami]

yeah i said stand alone near the bottom when i talk about balancing b/c you need higher rpm's to take advantage of the power...

 

[racer x 3]

racer x 3 corwin is right man... i am not taking sides but i have looked into the n/a side of things for our 2.3l and let me tell you it is a big undertaking.

for arguments sake the hiboost kit is 4200 plus tuning lets say a smooth 5G's now if you took that 5 grand and dropped it into an NA set up.

intake 200
exhaust 500
headers 250
flywheel 400
lightened pulleys 450
cos worth N/A built head 3200
high compression pistons and rods 1600
intake mani if you can get it to mount up as the only one is cosworth and its not made for our etb's but for arguments sake thats 800 thats before installation and engine management and you are well over the 5grand we established earlier and with all those go fast goodies you are going to have to get the engine and components blue printed and balanced to make it above 7200 rpm as the power band needs to be increased for true n/a power to at least 10k. so another 2500 or so for engine managment and balancing. then you need to tune it. thats a good 1500 considering all the variables you have.



so total you have a hiboost turbo kit that puts out 255-280 or so whp for 5G
the na set up i just stated above would prob be some where around those same numbers but the time and the money 11400 and prob more as thats with doing the installation/removing of parts to take to a place to balance and etc... so as you can see an n/a build would be great and i would love to see it/do it but monetarily its just not feasable to compete with a turbo kit on these engines.

you know what man? you are absolutly right. that was a fairly decent breakdown. but you are missing my point, and again, perhaps after this posting and a couple more, we can agree to disagree.
my point is this (and if you disagree i have no choice but to honor that): do you not think that there is REALLY something to be said about going through all that (money AND huge amounts of labor, blood sweat tears, etc.) to achieve some really nice all motor numbers?
like i say, if you disagree, thats cool man. you and i have discussed the "to each his own" thing before, and i have respect for you... but at the end of the day, the above point is the one i am trying to stress: i would feel that much more accomplished in the end result.

 

[tsunami]

so with those things, intake, header, exhuast, flywheel, pullys thats 1800 and prob gives a 20-30 hp increase... most cars dynoed around 135-145 stock... you add these goodies and you are prob 160+ as no one has this combination that i know of to test it out... after these bolt ons the only thing that may be reachable would be an intake manifold if some one else will make one, or if cosworth will figure out what to do with our etb....

 

[tsunami]

you know what man? you are absolutly right. that was a fairly decent breakdown. but you are missing my point, and again, perhaps after this posting and a couple more, we can agree to disagree.
my point is this (and if you disagree i have no choice but to honor that): do you not think that there is REALLY something to be said about going through all that (money AND huge amounts of labor, blood sweat tears, etc.) to achieve some really nice all motor numbers?
like i say, if you disagree, thats cool man. you and i have discussed the "to each his own" thing before, and i have respect for you... but at the end of the day, the above point is the one i am trying to stress: i would feel that much more accomplished in the end result.

yeah i would love to do an n/a build up on this car for the reasons you stated, but after thinking about it i think a better N/A set up for the amount of time and money would be better spent on a nice V8... but thats just my .02... i prob won't go turbo, and i prob will bolt on all i can for perf, but to go to the next level with n/a and get the forged internals, and the matched head from cosworth is just a bit much for the hp gains in my mind. also at that level of performance you would need a new clutch and benefit from a lsd as well so add another 2k plus install to the tally....

 

[racer x 3]

so with those things, intake, header, exhuast, flywheel, pullys thats 1800 and prob gives a 20-30 hp increase... most cars dynoed around 135-145 stock... you add these goodies and you are prob 160+ as no one has this combination that i know of to test it out... after these bolt ons the only thing that may be reachable would be an intake manifold if some one else will make one, or if cosworth will figure out what to do with our etb....

point taken, guy. i do realize the time and headaches and waiting associated with my intended meathod. i just think it is the more....honorable? nope....umm...satisfying way to go about it for me. i'm sure that, to an extent, you can see where it is exactly that i am coming from. that being said, tsunami, i guess just wish me luck. corwin.... don't come after me man. but really, all dickin eachother aside: i will one day see you in nature when i am fully equipped. until then, well... just do your thing

 

[tsunami]

the thing with n/a you can buy parts as you have the money until the few really large and time consuming pieces are needed, such as the internals and head, as well as balancing and lsd... but otherwise its pretty much buy and install as you acquire them. before summer i should have header/exhaust/flywheel/clutch/pullys/and intake mani if i can get cosworth to work with me to install as i will be buying them piece meal over the winter/spring...

 

[BC3I]

i'm gonna have to agree w/ tsunami on this one..again more power 2 u for going for the N/A i think it will be awesome as s*** when its done...just gonna be a long road ahead of you before u are putting up those kind of #ers...it's almost like my goal of the Turbo on an Auto 3i model...i know that overal it will prob run me like this...

Hiboost kit installed-5000
Lentech Tranny-1700
pistons/rods-1700
so im looking at a pretty penny myself but am still saving the $$$ 4 it....
so good luck man..and keep it posted

 

[racer x 3]

thanks, you two for at least respectin my opinion. congrats to both for the dedication, and particularly tsunami for the existing parts list. i havent even gotten my ass started under the hood yet. but anyway, my original issue with this thread (real quick)... i've decided, i think:
-cai
-exhaust
-wheel/tire pkg.
-springs

 

[racer x 3]

i'm gonna have to agree w/ tsunami on this one..again more power 2 u for going for the N/A i think it will be awesome as s*** when its done...just gonna be a long road ahead of you before u are putting up those kind of #ers...it's almost like my goal of the Turbo on an Auto 3i model...i know that overal it will prob run me like this...

Hiboost kit installed-5000
Lentech Tranny-1700
pistons/rods-1700
so im looking at a pretty penny myself but am still saving the $$$ 4 it....
so good luck man..and keep it posted

let me know where the pistons are comin from...

by the way... what the hell is this? (burn) great!

 

[Mr. Win]

wait... your going to changing the pistions rods but your worried about blowing the motor on boost.

 

[ZoomVT]

thanks, you two for at least respectin my opinion. congrats to both for the dedication, and particularly tsunami for the existing parts list. i havent even gotten my ass started under the hood yet. but anyway, my original issue with this thread (real quick)... i've decided, i think:
-cai
-exhaust
-wheel/tire pkg.
-springs

HAHA! I WIN MOFOS.(eekdance)

feel free to pos rep me. (whip)

 

[racer x 3]

HAHA! I WIN MOFOS.(eekdance)

feel free to pos rep me. (whip)

hahaha, thats right you do. i forgot (kind of) about that.

 

[racer x 3]

wait... your going to changing the pistions rods but your worried about blowing the motor on boost.

just curious... mind your own god damn business (bird)

 

[Mr. Win]

this is my business.