Spiced MSP
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clutch and LSD won't keep you from shredding gears
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What is the Max HP that my Mazdaspeed can put out?
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Wagonbacker9
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My current car makes over 400 to the wheels, and it can put it on the ground. I'm not saying one is better than the other because you really can't compare, but the MSP is NOT fun to drive because it makes power. Even at 400 to the wheels, coming out of the MSP I had to upgrade shocks and sways in order to not hate driving my car.
Enjoy the car for what it is, or hate it for what its not... its your choice.
And on an unrelated note, you will learn a lot more about these cars by reading on here than you will by posting new threads. They've been around for a decade. If you have a question as a new answer, you can bet its already been asked here, and in the process you'll find answers to 10 questions you didn't know you were going to have yet.
Enjoy the car for what it is, or hate it for what its not... its your choice.
And on an unrelated note, you will learn a lot more about these cars by reading on here than you will by posting new threads. They've been around for a decade. If you have a question as a new answer, you can bet its already been asked here, and in the process you'll find answers to 10 questions you didn't know you were going to have yet.
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psycho_slider
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if the previous owner really spend "$15k" on just the engine and a stage two clutch are you AREN'T making over 350 BHP then you have been lied to. My senior Mechanical Engineering project was a evo8 build spend 20k on it and it makes 754 AWHP and 781 Ft Lbs of torque. so...like i said if he spend 15k and you dont already have a fully built engine, bored, stroked, and a big turbo you got screwed my friend. if you do end up going with an evo8 or something similar, hit me up and i can point you to all the best companies, hell for a fee ill just rebuild my evo for you
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Wagonbacker9
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You can't really bore a FSDE, and the only stroker I know of to exist would not allow for anywhere near that kind of power.
tweety2300
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The biggest factor in whether one car is faster through turns than another is grip. The stickier tire will always be faster. Also, you have to remember, most Vette's are driven by retirees that don't want to hurt their baby. One mountain road encounter doesn't mean much.
If you want to see what cars are fast, find the nearest race track and see what people are running. The Corvette is easily the most popular car on the track out here in AZ. Followed by the 911, RX-7, Miata, and Mustang.
That being said, this past weekend I saw an RSX on G-force R1's beat a bunch of much faster cars (C6, GT3, M5) that were on street tires. The rules in the series use your weight to power ratio and subtracts points for stickier tires. Even though the RSX was on R1's, it was so down on power that it was still in a lower class.
To the OP: A stand alone is an engine management computer that can control fuel and ignition timing without input from your stock PCM. The microtech is exactly that. Sounds like you've got some studying to do. You could find a tuner, but their time isn't cheap, and if you are going to want to daily drive this thing, you are going to want to learn how to program it yourself.
Youre wrong on one major part. The biggest factor of all is the driver. If you're racing someone that can't drive or don't know the limits of their car it's pretty much a done deal. I know what my car can handle and what it can't. It's also about judging turns and the ability to concentrate. Put a 16 year old kid in a lambo and a professional in an msp and see who wins
You can easily rack up $15k if you start counting everything that goes along with a build like this and the labor involved. I shudder to think what the cost list for MP5T's and Maxx Mazda's and a few others would be if they paid for their own labor.
Cars are a never ending money pit once you start modifying them. You are never done, there will always be something else you can tweak or add even if you don't break anything. I really wish I could get into video games like I did as a kid. We complain about a $60 game, but they usually are good for 20 hours of fun. I typically pay $150 for a track day with 4-6 20 minute sessions.
Cars are a never ending money pit once you start modifying them. You are never done, there will always be something else you can tweak or add even if you don't break anything. I really wish I could get into video games like I did as a kid. We complain about a $60 game, but they usually are good for 20 hours of fun. I typically pay $150 for a track day with 4-6 20 minute sessions.
Youre wrong on one major part. The biggest factor of all is the driver. If you're racing someone that can't drive or don't know the limits of their car it's pretty much a done deal. I know what my car can handle and what it can't. It's also about judging turns and the ability to concentrate. Put a 16 year old kid in a lambo and a professional in an msp and see who wins
I was attempting to point out to the OP what makes one car faster than another. Since he would be the driver in whatever car he chooses, the driver is not a factor.
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So even with an Mfactory LSD and spec stage 3 clutch you wouldn't push more than 275whp??
Boom, You still loose 3rd
If you like, find my build thread and look for some of the videos
Straight Cut Gears
Don't let us discourage you
But
If all I anted was a car with 400whp
I would not start with this one
The car can be totally fast with less HP
You can destroy almost anything on the road with 300WHP
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to the OP
out of curiousity how fast do you need to go? a few have run low 13s on stock block/transmission with slicks and bolts ons making much less than 300hp.. Do you really need to go faster than that?
if you plan on getting 400whp and reliably drive the crap out of it daily, plan on spending a minimum of 2-3x what you paid for the car in the first place upgrading the transmission,clutch, turbocharger etc. maybe a bit less if you do the work yourself. The b**** of it is, even if you get the engine pumping 400whp,the transmission cannot take the abuse so there really is no point
its not designed to be a drag car at all. not in any way what so ever. it is designed to be a good handling performance ecobox. The car looks great, is great fun to drive and compete in autox etc. and very inexpensive to own and operate if you stay ~230whp or less. If you are looking for more than that, you are better off selling and buying something like an EVO, SRT4 or STI....or maybe if you are concerned about drag and 1/4 you should buy a car designed for it IE fox body mustang or even a rx7 would be a great starting point (rwd ftw)
im all for 400whp proteges, but it WILL cost you waaaaaaaay more than the car is worth, and odds are you will never get close to your money back. this is the reality of modding proteges.
or here is an idea, keep the great looking, great handling, nicely balanced msp protege, love the car, use it as your DD and just pickup another car for the 400+hp QM races.
out of curiousity how fast do you need to go? a few have run low 13s on stock block/transmission with slicks and bolts ons making much less than 300hp.. Do you really need to go faster than that?
if you plan on getting 400whp and reliably drive the crap out of it daily, plan on spending a minimum of 2-3x what you paid for the car in the first place upgrading the transmission,clutch, turbocharger etc. maybe a bit less if you do the work yourself. The b**** of it is, even if you get the engine pumping 400whp,the transmission cannot take the abuse so there really is no point
its not designed to be a drag car at all. not in any way what so ever. it is designed to be a good handling performance ecobox. The car looks great, is great fun to drive and compete in autox etc. and very inexpensive to own and operate if you stay ~230whp or less. If you are looking for more than that, you are better off selling and buying something like an EVO, SRT4 or STI....or maybe if you are concerned about drag and 1/4 you should buy a car designed for it IE fox body mustang or even a rx7 would be a great starting point (rwd ftw)
im all for 400whp proteges, but it WILL cost you waaaaaaaay more than the car is worth, and odds are you will never get close to your money back. this is the reality of modding proteges.
or here is an idea, keep the great looking, great handling, nicely balanced msp protege, love the car, use it as your DD and just pickup another car for the 400+hp QM races.
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tweety2300
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If all you want is a high hp car so you can brag about how much power it makes to all your friends sell it and get a new mustang gt and then get outrun by an msp making 300 hp. You can't judge a cars quickness by power you also have to look at weight my 91 Honda will outrun a 2.0 protege and it has a whopping 90 hp why? Because it only weighs 2100 lbs
2.0t03speed
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Really I wouldn't go over 275 with out a built trans and motor.
Wagonbacker9
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reading all this makes me want to give up on my msp and sell it if you cant go over 300hp whats the point of keeping it
For starters: the MSP is the fastest factory FWD through the slalom... ever.
But, if you have that attitude, then you really should just sell it.
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If all you want is a high hp car so you can brag about how much power it makes to all your friends sell it and get a new mustang gt and then get outrun by an msp making 300 hp. You can't judge a cars quickness by power you also have to look at weight my 91 Honda will outrun a 2.0 protege and it has a whopping 90 hp why? Because it only weighs 2100 lbs
exactly why bikes are so much faster then cars in general! Power to weight ratio
For starters: the MSP is the fastest factory FWD through the slalom... ever.
But, if you have that attitude, then you really should just sell it.
This is true....over 70mph correct???
Lol i know what you mean about the GTO handling. Drove my brother's '06 and couldn't believe how much you need to turn the steering wheel...wish it were tighter ratio...but it's a ******* beast!!!
Wagonbacker9
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This is true....over 70mph correct???
Lol i know what you mean about the GTO handling. Drove my brother's '06 and couldn't believe how much you need to turn the steering wheel...wish it were tighter ratio...but it's a ******* beast!!!
Yeah, there is one quick-ratio rack out there, no longer made, and I swear you have to give up your first born and your 401k to get your hands on one. I have to say the slow ratio does make going around corners with the ass out (at low speed) more controlable though.
Yeah, there is one quick-ratio rack out there, no longer made, and I swear you have to give up your first born and your 401k to get your hands on one. I have to say the slow ratio does make going around corners with the ass out (at low speed) more controlable though.
I just totally threadjacked this guy....i apologize
Should've posted that in your thread about the new Goat...lol
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