What did you pay for your CX-5?

Every time I hear someone say KBB -- I cringe. 10 years ago it was a great consumer tool. Ever since Autotrader bought them in an effort to control/inflate used car prices it has rapidly been going down hill.


Sure KBB is ~something~ but please oh please don't use it solely as your only reference.
Cars.com, Cargurus.com, edmunds.com and nada.com into your research mix as well.

I wish I still had access to Manheim to see what the auction prices are on vehicles.


or even better:
 
I guess every situation is different, but I've actually had dealers of other manufacturers actually offer me a CPO and non CPO price. Oh well. As far as the accuracy of KBB, every time I sold a car I've had multiple dealers all offer me within about $500 of KBB trade-in. Once again, not the Bible, but a good reference.
 
If I don't think I'm getting a fair price from the dealer for a trade in based on what KBB or other online evaluators say a fair price is I usually just say I'd rather take my car to Carmax to have it appraised. Dealer usually will come around rather than you walking out of the dealership.
 
Ok. But what about price for certified Mazda? What is best price I can get for 2017 Mazda CX-5 Touring with 30k miles? How much lower from listed price?
Supply and demand is regional. Prices can vary wildly from place to place based on supply, demand and inventory on new and used alike. If you know a town within reach where Covid is still a big problem you're more likely to get a deal there.

I found my 2020 certified with 4k miles on Cars.com at $4,000 off sticker but had to go 200 miles to get it. My local car market is very strong coming out of Covid so you really couldn't get very good deals on new ones. When Covid was in full bloom they were advertised at flat 8% off sticker; that was a chunk of extra Mazda holdback money going back to the dealer.

I'd start at cars.com and autotrader.com and cast as wide a net as possible. You may see one pop relative to the others. Sometimes flexibility in trim, options, color make a difference. Then there's the ol' end of month gambit--you might find a dealer who needs to get deals on the books.
 
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If I don't think I'm getting a fair price from the dealer for a trade in based on what KBB or other online evaluators say a fair price is I usually just say I'd rather take my car to Carmax to have it appraised. Dealer usually will come around rather than you walking out of the dealership.
Dealers will budge in that way. But my experience is that Carmax offers are at the lower end. It is good to get their number, I always do it, to know the floor. A dealer who came in lower is probably low-balling. The dealer will also tell you that your trade gets knocked of the sales price of the new car when calcualting sales tax whereas Carmax (or any other outright sale situation) does not have that advantage.

If you sell to Carmax for $4,000 that's what you get. If you trade to a dealer at $4,000 in an 8% sales tax state you get an additional $320 in tax savings. I don't know if this is true in all states but it's been true in the three states where I have bought cars. Of course if there is no sales tax on cars then it doesn't matter.
 
I've found Car Max nearly identical to dealers trade in offer. However it seem some, including me, got an offer at Carvana considerably higher.
 
I've found Car Max nearly identical to dealers trade in offer. However it seem some, including me, got an offer at Carvana considerably higher.
That's interesting. I had not thought of that but I doubt they would have been too interested in my 2006. Was Carvana an on-line only quote without inspection, did you take it to a store (do they even have those?), or did they come to you?
 
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Was Carvana an on-line only quote without inspection, did you take it to a store (do they even have those?), or did they come to you?

On-line quote. They would have picked it up, but there is a Carvana store 20 miles away. I drove there, they looked at the car for about 5 minutes, gave me a check, paid for my uber back home.

I think their computer screwed up. 3 dealers and Carmax quoted me $9,000 for my 2011 EX35. Their computer spit out a price of $9,000 plus $2,700 'regional adjustment'.

If you describe accurately, almost everyone I've seen got the full on-line quote when their tow driver picked up the car.
 
I think their computer screwed up. 3 dealers and Carmax quoted me $9,000 for my 2011 EX35. Their computer spit out a price of $9,000 plus $2,700 'regional adjustment'.
Carvana is definitely worth checking then. I can think of possible reasons why that might not be a mistake, but who cares. If they show you the money then you take it.
 
I created a separate thread for this that wasn't well received, so I'll try to be a little more tactful.

You can expand you search area in order to find the new or used car you are looking for in the model/trim/color, and options you want. Dealers are more than happy to sell you a car and ship it to you. If you're concerned about buying a new, or even a used car, sight unseen, there are ways to safely have it done. A fly & drive, or you can pay to have a local mechanic look at it out there.

In the case of a new cars it seems some areas of the country offer better deals. It may cost $1,200 to ship but if the selling price is $2,200 less that you've saved $1,000. - I don't look at it as "only" $20/month, I look at it as $1,000 in my pocket.

Yes, it takes a bit more effort ( I don't know about you, but I'll work for 2 days to make $1,000 - yes, saving $1,000 is the same as making $1,000 as it's still an extra $1,000 in your pocket).

This option isn't for everyone and I realize that for some it's too much effort for "only" $1,000. I just wanted you guys to think about it. We have all read enough to know that there are people who have put in a day's time/effort to save money or find their perfect car.

I look at it this way, you have choices - you can settle for what the dealer's price is; you can settle for what's in their inventory; you can not buy your new/used car yet; you can go the extra mile to find what you want.
 
On-line quote. They would have picked it up, but there is a Carvana store 20 miles away. I drove there, they looked at the car for about 5 minutes, gave me a check, paid for my uber back home.

I think their computer screwed up. 3 dealers and Carmax quoted me $9,000 for my 2011 EX35. Their computer spit out a price of $9,000 plus $2,700 'regional adjustment'.

If you describe accurately, almost everyone I've seen got the full on-line quote when their tow driver picked up the car.

Used cars are in high demand right now. I have a 2013 Lexus ES 350 UL that I rarely need to drive. I put 15k miles on it the first year and it currently sits with 22,500 miles. I checked out Carvana and CarMax in Feb of this year to see what they would offer. They were fairly close, with Carvana being slightly higher. Their offer was $17,200. Then the world turned upside down and I just forgot about it. Long story short, I just went through the process again. Their new offer is $23,500! It makes it hard to pass up.
 
I don't look at it as "only" $20/month, I look at it as $1,000 in my pocket.
I especially liked that thought. The "only x per month" can apply to all kinds of things. Without some consistent spending discipline a person can look up one day and wonder where all their money is going.
 
They love, love, love the "it's only $10/ month" line. That's the only way they sell certain options. If they said "oh, if you want the floor mats, luggage rack, cargo cover, edible steering column and chromed fender dents you have to put down an extra $1,500" no one would buy buy them. And the really love, "if you finance it for 72 months your payment will only be..." Aaaargh!

There's an interesting psychology to saving money and its related efforts. Take these 2 scenarios.

You'll drive 30 minutes to the SprawlMart to save $15 on a router that Best Buy sells for $50, but you won't drive 30 minutes to save $15 on a $1,000 TV. Yes, I understand the percentage savings is different by a factor of 20, but it's the same $15 dollars in your pocket.

Example 2. One might not take a 8 hour round trip to save $800 on a new car, but if you tell them they the a free iPhone with that new car at the same price you'd buy the car local, then they start to think it's worth it. There's something magical about the word 'free'.

Think of all the promotions where people will stand in line for 2 hours for a store that is giving away a $25 gift card to the 1st 100 people in line. Now, if you ask someone "will you stand on that street corner for 2 hours at 6 in the morning if I give you $25?" - most likely not. , But they feel they are getting something special waiting in line at the store. Again, there's something magical about the word 'free'.

I understand the value of your time, and everyone has different perspective. Hell, I won't spend $1.69 on a bottle of pop when I know it will be on sale next week for $0.99, but I'll buy the new Google phone every year. How much sense does that make? - but then again, if I drink enough pop I saved enough to buy my new prone every year

There's an interesting psychology at work when it comes to spending or saving money, and trust me, the dealers know it better than we do

Seriously, google and listen to the podcast "this american life. 129 cars" you'll be amazed
 
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This forum was helpful in my shopping process so paying it forward (backward?) by sharing my purchase details on my new 2020 Grand Touring Reserve in the Dallas area:
MSRP: $37,235
Sales price before incentive: $33,999 (8.7% off MSRP)
Incentive: $1500
Roof rails (why does this car not come with them?!): $417
Other BS dealer fees (Inspection, Dealer inventory tax, License, Docs): $404

I was negotiating via email with multiple dealers and all backed out of going to/below this price except for 2. Technically 3 but the one who would do it for $200 less had $550 of window tint and other stuff I didn't want on top so it was effectively $350 more. I went with the one who gave me the most on trade-in so I lowered my taxes and didn't have to mess with private party sales.

Now for the fun part of driving it! First time Mazda owner...
 
This forum was helpful in my shopping process so paying it forward (backward?) by sharing my purchase details on my new 2020 Grand Touring Reserve in the Dallas area:
MSRP: $37,235
Sales price before incentive: $33,999 (8.7% off MSRP)
Incentive: $1500
Roof rails (why does this car not come with them?!): $417
Other BS dealer fees (Inspection, Dealer inventory tax, License, Docs): $404

I was negotiating via email with multiple dealers and all backed out of going to/below this price except for 2. Technically 3 but the one who would do it for $200 less had $550 of window tint and other stuff I didn't want on top so it was effectively $350 more. I went with the one who gave me the most on trade-in so I lowered my taxes and didn't have to mess with private party sales.

Now for the fun part of driving it! First time Mazda owner...
good job..as for the roof rails, many including myself prefer the "clean" look of the CX-5 without the rails. I've had rails on last 2 SUVs and never used them.
 
Greetings - I just picked up a 2016 Sport for my daughter from EchoPark here in Charlotte. (Like a Car Max) I looked on cargurus - autotrader - CL and this one had the best price / miles and came with brand new tires.
Price: 15,600
doc fee: 565
mileage: 26,400

So far i've been really impressed. This is my first Mazda and probably won't be my last. Good experience with the dealer - in and out in under an hour.
 
I especially liked that thought. The "only x per month" can apply to all kinds of things. Without some consistent spending discipline a person can look up one day and wonder where all their money is going.

This is why many dealerships try to you sell you a car based on a bi-weekly or monthly payment vs. the total out the door cost. It is easy to convince/confuse the customer that they got a good deal.
 
This is why many dealerships try to you sell you a car based on a bi-weekly or monthly payment vs. the total out the door cost. It is easy to convince/confuse the customer that they got a good deal.
Or dealers try to roll over to the same monthly payment as the traded vehicle or lease with a longer payment or lease term--5 year financing goes to 6, 7 or 8, or the manufacturer's data analytics say a 39 month lease offer will work in getting folks to the same monthly payment coming off their 36 month lease.

Which brings me to a matter of potentially large chucks of monetary savings even in comparison to $0 extra per month. To my mind, if you roll over a vehicle after 3 years or even longer, whether trade or lease, you lose the value proposition which is very substantial over a middle-class or upper middle-class adult lifetime.

Typically vehicles lose 40 - 50% of their value, give or take, in the first three years, then depreciation slows. The longer you hold the car the better the value proposition if the car is even just reasonably reliable, i.e. no power train failure on the horizon as the minimum.

If you're not interested in a real life case study with actual numbers that illustrates the point, stop here.

I had not run the following numbers before in detail, and since I'm doing it now I might as well type it up if anybody is interested. It's not too much work with Quicken reports. Yeah, I'm one of those guys who enters anything with a $ sign into that application.

Lets take my 2014 Sienna for example: $31,800 sticker, no trade, $29,200 - $1,000 cash back + taxes and fees with 5 year 0% financing = $509 per month, currently 90,000 miles over 6 years, with the last year having no payments.

Now, if I had gotten an itch for some new-new thing when the 5 years were up, a sale or lease can be finagled to get me something comparable to $500 without trade, less with trade. But by keeping it for a 6th. year, that's about a $6,000 cash difference against a $500 monthly payment. I keep a record of KBB trade values on a quarterly basis with a conservative assessment of condition. The depreciation on that basis for that 6th. year which I'm hitting the end of right about now is about $1,500. That reduces the savings to $4,500. Maintenance costs have been running about $650 per year once I got into tires and brakes, with usage at that 15,000 miles/year. That's net cash in my pocket of about $3,850 for one year plus whatever would have been spent on maintenance in the first year of a new vehicle.

A more extreme example is my 2006 top trim Accord V6 with 100,000 miles, also purchased new, which I just traded for the CX-5. Long story, I needed a higher step in vehicle otherwise I'd have expected to keep it at least another decade. The total depreciation less the trade value after the first 5 years (last 9 years) was about $11,000, maintenace by the book or better plus tires and brakes was about $4,800, repairs were a grand total of zero (!) with nothing neglected except a windshield scratch = 9 year cost of ownership of $15,800. Compare that to a constant $500 monthly payment over the same 108 months = $54,000 in payments + higher insurance costs on the newer cars + maintenance costs + any repairs.

Now, we have to adjust those savings in an every-5-years trade scenario. Those two trades would have have had something like $22,000 in total value above my one trade at 14 years, resulting in total savings of $32,000+ over 14 years. I was coming up on the 100,000 - 110,000 mile timing belt, water pump, platinum plugs, and serpentine belt (not needed, but "while you're in there"), but that doesn't move that $32,000+ needle very much.

For my last 3 vehicles before the recently purchased CX-5, the 2006 Accord, a 2004 Sienna and the 2014 Sienna, all bought new which have totaled of 340,000 miles over 30 total years and counting, the grand total out-of-warranty repair costs not including damage caused by the owner or a technician or a rock flung at a windshield, etc., stuff you can blame directly on the vehicle, have totaled $473, most of which was a leaking water pump at the time of a timing belt replacement on the 2004 which conventional wisdom says you do regardless.

While no look into the future is foolproof, success is maximized by using reliability reports as the highest priority and the first cut off in the process of elimination in selecting a vehicle. Success is further maximized by not buying in the early years of a generation of that model. I learned that lesson once by ingorning my better instincts. Let other buyers pay to have the manufacturer work out many of the kinks. A proven drive train is paramount and the more electronic glitches worked out the better. And I say avoid turbos and CVTs if you want to get 150,000+ miles out of a vehicle like I aim to do unless the CVT is Toyota's.

Over a lifetime, with some luck, there are hundreds of thousands of $ in savings out there with pair of averaged priced vehicles ($36,700 in the US as of May 2019 according to Edmunds) in a two car garage.

The same approach can be taken when thinking about flipping a smart phone every year or three, or flipping any manner of consumer goods that are operating reliably. It isn't a matter of "just $20 more per month". It's a matter of going from $x per month to zero dollars to month for a potentially extended period of time.

This is old hat for a lot of us old guys and some young folk. Folks here are talking about buying used which might work out even better. Some youngsters, however, thinking of trading a perfectly reliable older CX-5 to get 3 more diagonal inches on a screen might want to run some numbers to see how many thousands of dollars that will cost, money that could be spent to get out from under student loans or credit card debt faster (with even more savings on interest payments), faster into a first home, more into a retirement fund, or faster to whatnot.

The next step for such youngsters should be to read "The Millionaire Next Door," an oldie but goodie. Not all lessons apply to everybody. I sure have not followed all of them like the idea of of always buying two year old cars, but the overall perspective is valuable for a lifetime. You'd be less likely to ask down the road (pun intended), "Where did all the money go?"

Of course if one's net worth is in the multi-millions this stuff might look like quaint notions for the little people, but as the aformentioned book shows that is not necessarily the case..
 
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