Unhappy with HKS Sound

Haltech said:
Ok, this is just pure horseshit. Youre NOT going to burn your cat up unless youre running 9.5 or lower at your A/F ratio. If you want to talk about a rich running motor, take a look at my Lightning. It has a fuel system that supports 1100 hp, 3 fuel pumps, a kenny bell blower pumping out 18 psi on the street, backed up by meth injection. On the street i run a conservative 10.8 AF... mild street program runs 11.1... race settings are 12.1 on 114 octane. Five years, 1400+ 1/4 passes and 59,000 on the odometer, the cats and exhaust are fine.

A BOV isnt going to cause that severe of a rich condition. Hell if anything, venting to the atmosphere is actually going to LEAN you out when you bring in unmetered air. Some tuners used to place a vent filter to the valve cover on the lightnings in the earlier years of tuning.. They would have to adjust for it because of the unmetered air bumping the a/f .4 to .6 above what the dyno run would put out.

For the dude who is or was a dealer mechanic, things have changed since you have been trained, esp with boosted motors... Its either time you learn how it works or just stay out of these threads. Youre giving out information that isnt factual and based off knowledge of non forced inducted vehicles which have no merit to this type of car.

If you want to burn out a cat, run it lean... If you dont believe me, go talk to the Sub STi Race team who had to goto magnaflow to get a special cat made for their race cars to solve the problem. Running rich 10.5 and above isnt going to do a damn thing to it. MOST boosted cars from the factory run 10.2 to compensate for high altitudes amd high heat climate areas.


Blow it out your supercharged a$$! FOR THE MAZDA GUYS if you see your bov letting air in backwards your screwed take it in for service! I am quite experianced with turbos, if you like to run a 1100 HP Lightning with cats good for you. Ditch them and make a few more ponies in my opinion. They don't call them blow off valves for nothing.
 
Craighjr said:
Blow it out your supercharged a$$! FOR THE MAZDA GUYS if you see your bov letting air in backwards your screwed take it in for service! I am quite experianced with turbos, if you like to run a 1100 HP Lightning with cats good for you. Ditch them and make a few more ponies in my opinion. They don't call them blow off valves for nothing.

So, thats all you have to add to what i said? I think you need to go back to school.(upyours)
 
Haltech said:
So, thats all you have to add to what i said? I think you need to go back to school.(upyours)

Simple solution prove it. Post the data logs. I'll have my car in for tuning soon enough and I will make a few passes with vta to see what the afr's pick up.

BUT back to the topic of this thread I was at the shop and my newer HKS flange may be ready soon. I can not wait to see if it helps make the vta HKS SSQV sound while reserculating. I will make a nice high quality video (not my stupid digi camera) to see what everyone thinks once its done.
 
OK NEWS!!! The new fitting I had made uses a moddified HKS oem triple fin and a recirculation nipple. It does make the sound change a bit although it isn't what I had hoped for. It sounds is mostly reserc with a tiny mix of vta. The sound changes with pressures, load and rpm obviously. I will make a real digital video and edit it to only contain vents of my current set up to get everyones opinions. I have some ideas of how to make the sound better with a chamber added to the hose so maybe I will play with that next..
 
A tiny bit of info about this matter:

Running VTA will not make you go lean, Haltech, that is wrong. It will make you go rich between shifts, which is not too bad. I still wouldn't do it, but hey, I don't like soot (excess soot, I mean.)

Now, something neat to know about cats...Since they only work after light-off, it stands to reason that your extra rich-ness is actually helping them get hot, but there is no doubt that they will wear out faster. An old trick you can do with tired cats (assuming you know they are still flowing within spec) is to pull a spark plug wire off one of the cylinders (making the raw fuel/air mixture light off inside the cat and exhaust) just for a short while, revving to about 3k or so. This excess fuel raises the temp of the cat, usually enough to reactivate the precious catalysts inside, just don't leave it that way forever.

Anyway, VTA can cause the car to stumble and store misfire or rich-run codes in mode$06, which are visible to a tech when hooked up to your car with a scan tool. Too many of these instances, and the computer will try to compensate with trims. I doubt it would be a problem with it detecting this just between shifts, but make no mistake, the computer is storing the data.
 
because of the way the HKS SSQV works, you will not get the rough idle problems that other ms3 owners experience when running the stock or other brands of BOVs in a VTA setup. You may notice an occasional backfire and your car will run slightly richer. Plug your recirc up and put your fins back in and you should find the results very audibly pleasing. VTA FTW!
 
Yeah my car idled fine but it drove like crap burping, bucking and farting. Thats why I am taking the effort to make the sound with out venting to atom.
 
because of the way the HKS SSQV works, you will not get the rough idle problems that other ms3 owners experience when running the stock or other brands of BOVs in a VTA setup. You may notice an occasional backfire and your car will run slightly richer. Plug your recirc up and put your fins back in and you should find the results very audibly pleasing. VTA FTW!

Now go look at the mode$06 information on a scan-tool, and I think you'll change your tune (pun intended.) Those backfires and poor running situations (even briefly) are recorded, and the comptuer makes adjustments to prevent it each time. Over the long-haul, I can't see this as a good thing.
 
i thought the reason these cars run so rich is due to the catalytic converter.

i think i read that it was because federal law changed from 9years to 12 years being how long a catalytic converter must last... and as it was, the mazdaspeed3 cat wouldnt last that long, so they richened up the tune rather than changing out the parts...
 
i thought the reason these cars run so rich is due to the catalytic converter.

i think i read that it was because federal law changed from 9years to 12 years being how long a catalytic converter must last... and as it was, the mazdaspeed3 cat wouldnt last that long, so they richened up the tune rather than changing out the parts...

A rich mixture further promotes cat break down. The extra burning fuel over heats the cat and causes failure.
 

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