Turbohoses SMIC Results

[StreetUnit]

Expensive? Hmm, well it basically comes down to what kind of aftermarket parts you want.

If you want the parts that lack R&D and cut corners to get their parts cheap, then you can save some $ with the competitors parts. But Turbohoses name speaks for itself. You may think you are buying the "Turbohoses name." You are, and behind that name, lies endless hours of RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT that makes these parts what they are.

I know with this MSP here, we do it right the first time. I don't cut any corners or put any knockoff parts into the project.
You get what you pay for.

The intake is next, GB is not set up yet.

 

[mspeed101]

Im not cutting any corners going with the hiboost fmic! Hiboost and Turbohoses both have quality products but the hiboost is more competitively priced thats all. Trust me I dont cut any corners when it comes to my car I only buy quality products

 

[StreetUnit]

So basically the smic and hardpipes will cost over $1000 shipped????? Are you kidding me? I guess im gonna have to stick with the hiboost fmic

Yessir, if you are running under 12psi, you will get more gains from the SMIC than you will see with any FMIC on the market. If you do plan on doing internals, fuel management, and boosting over 12psi, a SMIC is not the way to go, the FMIC is what to invest in.

For people under the 12psi range...
In my opinion, spending $800-900 on a FMIC is a waste of money. A FMIC will get you minimal gains, if any. Another $100-200 can get you a SMIC that has significant dyno gains that you want.

Do it right the first time.

 

[StreetUnit]

Im not cutting any corners going with the hiboost fmic! Hiboost and Turbohoses both have quality products but the hiboost is more competitively priced thats all. Trust me I dont cut any corners when it comes to my car I only buy quality products

Never said Hiboost cuts corners. Please watch what you say. Thank you.

 

[speedhawaii]

yay to see that ********** is up and going again

 

[lamp3]

sta sta street-UNIT!! =P

 

[jflo]

Yessir, if you are running under 12psi, you will get more gains from the SMIC than you will see with any FMIC on the market. If you do plan on doing internals, fuel management, and boosting over 12psi, a SMIC is not the way to go, the FMIC is what to invest in.

For people under the 12psi range...
In my opinion, spending $800-900 on a FMIC is a waste of money. A FMIC will get you minimal gains, if any. Another $100-200 can get you a SMIC that has significant dyno gains that you want.

Do it right the first time.

so you're claiming that our best bet is to stick with an intercooler that is in a poor location, with much of the air being blocked, resists heatsoak for maybe another 5 or 10 minutes ? FMICs work the same way SMICs do. the performance lies within the cooling capacity of the intercooler, and how little pressure can be lost. you may say that you did not mention hiboost's FMIC, but you're using a very thin veil to hide that you really are mentioning it. there are 2 more options for SMICs, both of which are very capable and competitively priced. don't try convincing people that all that R&D into making this SMIC is gonna make the biggest difference in the world. for about $200 more, you can order the iON FMIC, which has just as much R&D there is to brag about.

 

[Spooled]

if you look at the conditions he gave the factory a handicap.cooler air is denser creating more power.he ran his hotter,whitch if any thing hurt his total.in other words if the temps were the same his would have gained even more,and he would have been detonating a lot more with factory.

His original post said that the stock IC was run in 93 degree ambient, which is HOTTER than the 85.5 F that the new IC was run in. After my post he went back and corrected his initial ambient temp to read 83 degrees.

The other thing that bothered me was that the stock setup was detonating at all. Was he running low-grade fuel?

 

[StreetUnit]

so you're claiming that our best bet is to stick with an intercooler that is in a poor location, with much of the air being blocked, resists heatsoak for maybe another 5 or 10 minutes ? FMICs work the same way SMICs do. the performance lies within the cooling capacity of the intercooler, and how little pressure can be lost. you may say that you did not mention hiboost's FMIC, but you're using a very thin veil to hide that you really are mentioning it. there are 2 more options for SMICs, both of which are very capable and competitively priced. don't try convincing people that all that R&D into making this SMIC is gonna make the biggest difference in the world. for about $200 more, you can order the iON FMIC, which has just as much R&D there is to brag about.

I never said anything about Hiboost, nor was I refering to them. Thank you.

Do a little more research on a FMIC on stock boost levels. Talk to a few guys that have them already. Ask what the pressure drop is. This TH SMIC pressure drop is .6-.8psi.

Let me think, the manufacturer names slips my mind, but I believe they added an intake to their FMIC kit setup to show a gain of 12hp because there wasn't any gains with just the FMIC alone.

Maybe 15-17hp increase for this SMIC kit isn't enough to justify its efficiency?!?

 

[jflo]

I never said anything about Hiboost, nor was I refering to them. Thank you.

Do a little more research on a FMIC on stock boost levels. Talk to a few guys that have them already. Ask what the pressure drop is. This TH SMIC pressure drop is .6-.8psi.

Let me think, the manufacturer names slips my mind, but I believe they added an intake to their FMIC kit setup to show a gain of 12hp because there wasn't any gains with just the FMIC alone.

Maybe 15-17hp increase for this SMIC kit isn't enough to justify its efficiency?!?

according to import tuner, an independent that tested the iON FMIC, the difference between the OEM IC's first run (being least heatsoaked w/ breaks) and the FMIC's last run (being used longer, no breaks in between runs), they gained approximately 13whp. boost fell off slightly, between .5-.8 psi, but did not suffer heatsoak.

i still haven't seen dyno sheets for this SMIC yet, too !

i love the quality of this product, but i still can't justify spending $1000 when there are other viable options for less, and other mods that can realize similar gains.

 

[slyydrr]

too much for me... i'm out

 

[Turbohoses]

His original post said that the stock IC was run in 93 degree ambient, which is HOTTER than the 85.5 F that the new IC was run in. After my post he went back and corrected his initial ambient temp to read 83 degrees.

The other thing that bothered me was that the stock setup was detonating at all. Was he running low-grade fuel?

Our tests were done with pump gas here (91 octane). Hopefully our customer's have higher octane where they reside.

Turbohoses R&D

 

[Turbohoses]

according to import tuner, an independent that tested the iON FMIC, the difference between the OEM IC's first run (being least heatsoaked w/ breaks) and the FMIC's last run (being used longer, no breaks in between runs), they gained approximately 13whp. boost fell off slightly, between .5-.8 psi, but did not suffer heatsoak.


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Hopefully we are reading this correctly. A "gain" by how many runs? Unless these tests are done with the same format, they are not the same test, which will net entirely different results.

We test our own, custom and OEM intercoolers almost daily and have never found a "gain" by the end of a few runs. However, if you are stating that they made 20+/- hp (guesstamation) on the first run and then ended up at 13 whp by the end of the run/s, then it makes sense. Also, those will be very impressive numbers.

Furthermore, "no breaks inbetween runs"....
This is highly unlikely. We dyno on average 6-10 cars daily and find that not taking any breaks between runs will give you extremely inconsistant readings as well as damage to the engine. Like other cars, the MSP is extremely prone to these conditions. However, all companies run their tests based on what they are trying to achieve.

Because we are still under development of products for the MSP, we must keep our dyno loggs proprietory for the moment. As mentioned in an earlier thread, we have and are willing to let anyone that is available at our facilities view the sheet.

Turbohoses R&D

 

[KyRaceFan]

Good product turbohoses.

 

[MazdaSpeedSter]

Im not cutting any corners going with the hiboost fmic! Hiboost and Turbohoses both have quality products but the hiboost is more competitively priced thats all. Trust me I dont cut any corners when it comes to my car I only buy quality products

~Aye!~(lol2)
Remember what I said about just wraping my stock plastic tubes with aluminum foil, then covering that w/ some duct tape(naughty) ... lol... Dammit!!! I need to save some money...

 

[wicked]

Hopefully we are reading this correctly. A "gain" by how many runs? Unless these tests are done with the same format, they are not the same test, which will net entirely different results.

We test our own, custom and OEM intercoolers almost daily and have never found a "gain" by the end of a few runs. However, if you are stating that they made 20+/- hp (guesstamation) on the first run and then ended up at 13 whp by the end of the run/s, then it makes sense. Also, those will be very impressive numbers.

Furthermore, "no breaks inbetween runs"....
This is highly unlikely. We dyno on average 6-10 cars daily and find that not taking any breaks between runs will give you extremely inconsistant readings as well as damage to the engine. Like other cars, the MSP is extremely prone to these conditions. However, all companies run their tests based on what they are trying to achieve.


I've seen them and they aint lyin!

by the way Cullen(**********) is back.

Because we are still under development of products for the MSP, we must keep our dyno loggs proprietory for the moment. As mentioned in an earlier thread, we have and are willing to let anyone that is available at our facilities view the sheet.

Turbohoses R&D

 

[Spooled]

Our tests were done with pump gas here (91 octane). Hopefully our customer's have higher octane where they reside.

Turbohoses R&D

Any way that you look at it, a stock car should not ping, even with 91 octane. In fact, Mazda says that 91 is the minimum. The car should be able to retard the timing enough to avoid pinging even if someone puts 89 or 97 octane in. That's usually standard practice with high-performance cars.

 

[Turbohoses]

Any way that you look at it, a stock car should not ping, even with 91 octane. In fact, Mazda says that 91 is the minimum. The car should be able to retard the timing enough to avoid pinging even if someone puts 89 or 97 octane in. That's usually standard practice with high-performance cars.

Ambient air temp. and the engine temperature were the main cause of the car detonating. This happened during our third run, which can/does happen during "dyno" testing.
Depending on the ECU and Knock sensor, there may be a range that our tests strained the system. However, the answer is still operating temperature.

Turbohoses R&D

 

[jflo]

Hopefully we are reading this correctly. A "gain" by how many runs? Unless these tests are done with the same format, they are not the same test, which will net entirely different results.

We test our own, custom and OEM intercoolers almost daily and have never found a "gain" by the end of a few runs. However, if you are stating that they made 20+/- hp (guesstamation) on the first run and then ended up at 13 whp by the end of the run/s, then it makes sense. Also, those will be very impressive numbers.

Furthermore, "no breaks inbetween runs"....
This is highly unlikely. We dyno on average 6-10 cars daily and find that not taking any breaks between runs will give you extremely inconsistant readings as well as damage to the engine. Like other cars, the MSP is extremely prone to these conditions. However, all companies run their tests based on what they are trying to achieve.

Because we are still under development of products for the MSP, we must keep our dyno loggs proprietory for the moment. As mentioned in an earlier thread, we have and are willing to let anyone that is available at our facilities view the sheet.

Turbohoses R&D

oops, it wasn't import tuner that did the testing, it was turbo & high-tech performance.

yes, i know that different testing will yield different results,

turbo & high-tech did 3 runs for each intercooler. after the OEM IC's first run, which should be the best for it since the car is warmed up, but not overheated. during this time (because they found out that the IC could not hold up for long), they gave the OEM IC breaks in between runs. for the iON FMIC however, they did not do this because they wanted to find out if this intercooler would resist heatsoak (since FMICs are supposed to be very effective chillers), and it did not heatsoak.

the point is though, that although this SMIC is going to be a great upgrade, it's still got an FMIC price tag once completed.

and even iON gives discounts to forum members, but they do take forever to get their product.

 

[Turbohoses]

oops, it wasn't import tuner that did the testing, it was turbo & high-tech performance.

yes, i know that different testing will yield different results,

turbo & high-tech did 3 runs for each intercooler. after the OEM IC's first run, which should be the best for it since the car is warmed up, but not overheated. during this time (because they found out that the IC could not hold up for long), they gave the OEM IC breaks in between runs. for the iON FMIC however, they did not do this because they wanted to find out if this intercooler would resist heatsoak (since FMICs are supposed to be very effective chillers), and it did not heatsoak.

the point is though, that although this SMIC is going to be a great upgrade, it's still got an FMIC price tag once completed.


and even iON gives discounts to forum members, but they do take forever to get their product.

Heat soaking isn't the problem, engine operating temperature is. The third run will put you up in 225 d. f. range.

The price tag is based on fabrication time, not material.
A FMIC can be purchased as a generic unit with pre-made end tanks and brackets. Because the SMIC will require custom brackets, end tanks, aluminium mounting round stock etc....the overall cost will be more expensive.

Turbohoses R&D