^^^ Turbo Performance Kit ^^^ Stage I , II and III

[perfworks]

Well i found no issues with the stock springs at all when i inspected them for my engine build. They can support the range in HP im looking for. Unless you are looking for over 450HP then i wouldnt worry about upgraded cams, springs and such. They fair very well from the factory as do the head gaskets for forced induction. But with the right amount of money anything is possible. Crower makes all our springs for the race cars that we have built. So we could see if a set can be made.
Again though with the stock head youll be fine with the stock springs. Maybe after about 50,000 miles of boost you could just change or shim them for better performance. (to stock springs that is)

 

[perfworks]

sweet! for both? I thought it would be more...

yes that would give you the goods for a bullet proof bottom end good to 30 psi. Let me know when your ready for them . We can have those badboys sent right to ya!

 

[perfworks]

REVISED STAGES

Hello all,
i would like to take this time to revise the structure of the kits. I will include the specifics on whats included in the kits and revise some of the pricing for those who are interested.
We have done alot of testing for the protege this past few weeks and decided to upgrade some items. Also we have come across some savings on a few items so we are going to pass it along to the customers.

Stage I $3700 + shipping

Standard T3 turbocharger W/ internal wastegate.
2.5 inch downpipe with a coupling to directly fit on the stock second cat. (This can be arranged to fit any size the customer requires)
2 - O2 bungs allready welded in for the use of the stock O2 sensors or the primary O2 and a wideband. The second O2 will need then to be extended for use after your stock second cat.
Cast iron manifold W/ the egr operation left in place.
Intake piping for your stock MAF meter and new Filter we provide with the setup.
300HP potential bar and plate design FMIC. ( this was specifically designed for the protege. It will fit any 2001 model and up.)
Silicone couplings for all intercooler piping and SS t- bolt clamps for all hoses.
Mandrel bent steel tubing for intercooler intake and outlet . ( there is no need for any cutting of the frame for the install. Everything was jigged to fit along the space provided from the factory.)
The couplings will come in three colors. Red, Black and Mica blue.
The intercooler tubing can also vary in color also. This will be again at the customers discretion when they order.
Piggyback ECU that will control fuel and ignition. (Again this will vary with the customer. They will come preprogrammed for the particular application) The unit for stage one will NOT EXCEED 8psi. The stock fuel system will not be able to support more than that level.
Bosch recirculating valve and all vaccum lines , hoses and fittings needed for the install.
SS braided oil feed line and silicone return line with the proper fitting for the oil pan.
Other details can be had thru contacting me directly.

Stage II $4800+ shipping.

Will consist of (customer choice) a T3 with super 60 compressor housing or T3T4 hybrid turbo chargers.
Cast manifold design w/ egr operation intact.
All of the stage one accessories except the following:
Larger 255lph intank fuel pump.
Extra injector setup on the piping before the throttle body.
Larger 80mm MAF meter
Larger 600HP potential FMIC with upgraded diameter piping
Piggyback computer tuned to the specific PSI level requested by the customer.

Again no two systems will be identical because everyones mods and future mods will vary. The kits are made to order. They are not mass produced so any ordering will determine your own HP potential .

Stage III
This kit will include a fully assembled forged internal engine and driveline. This will only be discussed with me on the phone or thru personal contact at the shop.


If there are any comments or questions please feel free to post or email them to me.
Thanks again for your time

 

[keyserscott]

I still have my concerns on the auto tranny. Ive been told a couple of times it wont take over 5psi. Ive also been told if your running only 5psi an intercooler would be unnecessary. Let me know, I like the sould of your system but of course would rather save the cost of an intercooler.

 

[perfworks]

I still have my concerns on the auto tranny. Ive been told a couple of times it wont take over 5psi. Ive also been told if your running only 5psi an intercooler would be unnecessary. Let me know, I like the sould of your system but of course would rather save the cost of an intercooler.

Well keyser, i can understand your concern on the theory that the tranny may not handle the added torque. I can only say that youll have to see when micahs car is running on a dyno this coming week.
In regards to someone telling you you DONT need an intercooler i would like for you to invite them on this forum so we may debate it if you like. No matter what psi you are running the cooler the charge the better for combustion and power potential . Period.

BTW the MSP guys who run only 5-6 psi stock because they have a heat soaked and pressure restrictive intercooler see a dramatic increase in HP when they just improve the intake air charge from a FMIC.
If you chose to get a system with out an intercooler it is your own choice. We can accomidate you But i cant guarantee you optimal power gain for the money.

 

[keyserscott]

I was aiming at about 180whp for my car as a daily driver. My main goal is a safe and reliable vehicle. Im not rich enough yet to afford a new engine. Basically the argument, as far as I understood it, was that at 5psi my potential HP wouldnt be high enough to necesitate a intercooler. At a lower psi, it wouldnt matter (the intercooler) and would only add to lag in throttle response and spool speed. so, "No matter what psi you are running the cooler the charge the better for combustion and power potential" the power potential might be our issue where we arent understanding eachother. Meaning, I am not aiming at an extreme power potential. I think I understand your point though. The turbo rep who gave me that info was Spoolin via email. I love your sytem, Im kickin myself for not having a manual. Im in Atlanta traffic though and I opted for the sport shift auto. Hope this doesnt start a big argument.

 

[perfworks]

I was aiming at about 180whp for my car as a daily driver. My main goal is a safe and reliable vehicle. Im not rich enough yet to afford a new engine. Basically the argument, as far as I understood it, was that at 5psi my potential HP wouldnt be high enough to necesitate a intercooler. At a lower psi, it wouldnt matter (the intercooler) and would only add to lag in throttle response and spool speed. so, "No matter what psi you are running the cooler the charge the better for combustion and power potential" the power potential might be our issue where we arent understanding eachother. Meaning, I am not aiming at an extreme power potential. I think I understand your point though. The turbo rep who gave me that info was Spoolin via email. I love your sytem, Im kickin myself for not having a manual. Im in Atlanta traffic though and I opted for the sport shift auto. Hope this doesnt start a big argument.

No arguing going on here
But really there is always a need for a cooler charge. It will help prevent detonation and keep optimal A/F ratios with engine management. Any time you compress the aircharge at 1psi or 30psi you are heating up the air molecules above ambient atmospheric conditions. Its almost like saying "you dont need a radiator because you only drive a few miles to work". This is obviously just an example. An intercooled system will ALWAYS be more responsive and reliable than one that is not. Spoolin may have other reasons for recommending his particular setup. Im not here to say one is better than another. I am presenting Facts and let the end user make the final decision. The auto tranny can take ALOT more power than people think. I dont really understand the reason for all the hype but we will obviously prove this wrong very soon. I do understand your concern though.
As for pressure drop, the bar and plate design we use for the protege has the least amount of presure loss thru the system than any other on the market. When we dyno tune and provide the results of our success on micahs car there will be all the proof we need for the auto community. Again we do this all day. All we do is work on turbocharged vehicles. We know the ins and outs of many vehicles.
Now when i say power potential i dont mean 500hpmax. I mean reliable , tunable air fuel charge that can be combusted properly. This is 5 psi we are talking about. It is 5 pounds of air you are PUSHING into the engine. It is proccessing 5 psi more at a given rpm level than it would be able to do normally. The volume of air to the valve will specifically depend on the compressing and cooling characteristics of a turbo and intercooler setup. Hotter air charge thru the system will promote detonation, which means reliability is out the window. I can provide alot of information to anyone who is debating going without intercoolers. IMO it is a must when going with any type of forced induction process.
To give you a quick example. When NO is injected in the engine the cooling effect it has on the air charge is what gives you the power. The compressed gas is released and it immediatley bonds with the existing Air molecules and creates a very dense mixture. This is why with the right amount of fuel you are getting some incredible numbers with NOS. The same applies to forced induction. Whether its turbo or supercharging. At any psi level you are looking for a cooler charge because anytime you compress the the air to the manifold it will be less dense than air at ambient temps. Thus promoting bad combustion and overall inefficiency. Again we can talk about a system without an intercooler but i would not recomend it.

 

[dficken]

quick question...

perfworks,
Just curious... what sort of WHP and Torque (at the wheels) do you expect to get with micah's auto kit?

I too am in the market for a turbo kit for my auto... just sitting back to see the results before i drop the cash.

Thanks.

 

[perfworks]

Re: quick question...

perfworks,
Just curious... what sort of WHP and Torque (at the wheels) do you expect to get with micah's auto kit?

I too am in the market for a turbo kit for my auto... just sitting back to see the results before i drop the cash.

Thanks.

Dficken, we are looking for 200whp. With our calculations and balanced setup including the effiecient intercooler design we dont see any issues surpassing that.
We will do tests for every two psi and post dyno results. You will also be able to see from the charts the most important part of the results. WHEN the power comes in and at what rpm. That is what some people miss. They may make 200hp but it may be at 6700-7000rpms. We will make it sooner in the rpm band so it is usable , streetable power. Rather than having to stomp on the pedal to get power from the vehicle. We want a smooth transition.
This is what will make our system reliable and full proof.
The auto tranny will be a fun challenge
Stay tuned for details when we finish micahs car

 

[dficken]

I look forward to seeing the results!

One other question... are you guys integrating a tranny cooler on Micah's car?

 

[perfworks]

I look forward to seeing the results!

One other question... are you guys integrating a tranny cooler on Micah's car?

No need, from what i understand there is already one running thru you stock radiator.
I will look into it to add one if we feel it is not adaquate

 

[dficken]

Yes there is one built into the bottom of the radiator. I just thought it may need an additional one with the extra power. But then again, I do not know the "optimal temp" for the tranny fluid. So I will just wait and see with Micah's car.

Is it done yet?

What about now?

 

[keyserscott]

good info. I guess I have a lot to think about. its a tough choice, go with the intercooler and get the benefits you propose. Or, not eed the intercooler (spoolin style) and save 900$. Of course, I also lean towards the engine management system. Still savin!

 

[snowman4us]

so u are saying that u can use stock internals for stage 2? im just confused, but last i hare we where only able to handle 12PSI untill our engines went BOOOOM.
sorry if u have answered these Q. its just i dont want to read 4 pages of posts...

 

[perfworks]

so u are saying that u can use stock internals for stage 2? im just confused, but last i hare we where only able to handle 12PSI untill our engines went BOOOOM.
sorry if u have answered these Q. its just i dont want to read 4 pages of posts...

Stage II is good for stock internals to 12psi. It is basically a great upgrade so that if and when you go forged all you have to do is turn up the boost.
I have seen the stock internals handle 15psi from a T3 with proper engine management. 12 psi is great for the street. The stage II kit gives you everything you need to be safe at that level.

 

[P5LawnMan]

Nick Good stuff !!!! Is Micah's car done yet??? (drive) Thanks for the info keep us posted .

 

[perfworks]

Nick Good stuff !!!! Is Micah's car done yet??? (drive) Thanks for the info keep us posted .

micahs car comes to the shop for diassembly this whole week. he's away on vacation for the weekend and will be at the shop on monday

 

[snowman4us]

damb 12 PSI, what work whould the trany need? 12psi what WHP are u thinking?

 

[Micah]

yep, I just got back from Atlanta - I'm so tired - drove 12 hours straight, left at 11pm, got a ticket going over the Del. Mem. Br. - 78 in a 50 - talked down to 64, so it's a $60 ticket. Other than that - had a great time, got trashed the night before the wedding, but still made it. Georgia is actually kinda nice (Blairsville is where the wedding was, reception was at the Fieldstone Resort) - I'm headed to the shop now. Sleep??? - in the words of skee-lo "I wish".

 

[Kooldino]

LOL. Man, Micah, you and you're weddings.