Toyo T1S or Eagle F1 GS-D3?

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hi i'm in New Zealand, Year 2001 SP 20 stock wheels. i'm planning to change tyres, choices are limited here, however, i'm able to choose between Toyo T1S 205/45/R16 for NZ$179 all included, and Eagle F1 GS-D3 205/45/R16 $203 all included.

my previous choice Yoko A539 205/45/R16 is $286 each!

Falken 215/45/R16 is not imported here.

which one should i choose? i don't drive aggressively, comfort, noise and wear is more important than performance. thanks a lot!
 
KpaBap has T1-Ss on his Miata, and I can tell you from trying to keep up with him that they grip really well.
 
yeah i have the T1-S and think they are great! (good for drag racing too hehe)

but damn that's a cheap price!!! i paid $190ea aud for them here!
 
ahb11m said:
thats coz they make tyres in NZ
really!?

anyway, everyone seems happy with T1-S, how about Eagle F1 GS-D3? it's highly recommended at tirerack.com.

i really like the tread of Eagle F1, and their ads on Popular Science and magazines alike really caught my eyes.

T1-S and F1 GS-D3 attached.
 

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the tread pattern looks pretty much identical. i'm a little biased, but go for the toyo's. save yourself $100 and put that towards some grog or another mod!
 
thanks twilight

interesting i found this:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-56563.html

so the Toyo T1S is actually ligher than the Eagle, that's a sound reason to choose Toyos.

how about the size then? i've been browsing the posts for too long that i mixed up quite a few things. i suppose 205/45/R16 fits well on the stock wheel, and of about the same diametre, but also recalled something like 215/45/R16 has the right width ratio or something like that...

thanks guys, really appreciate. :)
 
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-64611.html
mkh
A couple of months ago, I replaced the original Bridgestone RE040 tires of my ZHP with the Toyo T1-S for $680, a very decent price for a set of 18 tire. It has 4200 miles now, and this review is to compare it with the RE040 under the same road conditions and mileage. Wet condition is unknown. It has not been raining in Southern California since I had it.

Appearance
The T1-S has a V-shape tread pattern and a treadwear of 280, similar to the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, and is directional. It is a round shouldered tire and it does not look as wide as the square shouldered ones such as the RE040s, Pilot Sports, or the Yokos. The 255 looks like a 245 from the back. The rim protector is pretty much useless as it extends very little out from the rim. The RE040 has a much better rim protector. Despite, it is an attractive looking tire.

Ride Quality
The T1-S is extremely sensitive to air pressure. I first had it at 38 psi all around and the ride was quite bumpy, and the front end felt a bit light. Then I lowered it to 36 psi all around and it improved significantly. Ride quality is extremely comfortable. The RE040 is no slouch in this area but the T1-S is just unbelievable. Going over the same rough pavement and the difference is very obvious. I have never had this kind of ride comfort in a low-profile performance tire, period.

Noise
The T1-S is not noisy by my standard, but not quiet either. It is noticeably louder than the RE040. I hear a slight constant whirling sound, regardless of speed, that was not present with the RE040. With the noise, there is also a hint of high frequency vibration sending into the cabin. You can definitely feel all four tires touching the road. On the other hand, it does not squeal no matter how hard you turn.

Performance/Handling
One of the biggest improvements I have is the absence of tramlining. Going through the same road that I used to fight with the RE040s, the T1-S does not exhibit any kind of tramlining at all. Now I can even take my hands off the steering wheel and it still goes in a straight line.

Dry traction is at least equal, if not better than the RE040. Compare to the Bridgestone, it feels more confident and easier negotiating a turn. I have not taken it to its limit yet, but it seems to have much higher grip than the road allows for regular driving. I have done very fast turns on some mountain roads and it just handled with no complaints.

Turn-in is quicker and it feels less understeer than the RE040. Bringing the rear pressure back to 38 psi resulted in a more neutral handling, but with the expense of ride comfort. Even though it weighs less than most of its competitors, I did not feel any noticeable difference in acceleration compared to the RE040.

Overall, the Toyo T1-S performs extremely well in almost every category except noise. Though it is not the best in quietness, it makes up, as a bonus, with an ultra comfortable ride quality. And I highly recommend it to those who are especially concerned about the harsh ride of the ZHP.

anyone compared the noise between T1S and GS-D3? i don't want to turn up the volume of my stock stereo. ;)
 
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i have 205/45/16 and seams pretty good actually. i dont know if you have them in NZ, but on our highways we have odometer test markers, 0km - 5km. with the 204/45/16 (on standard wheels) it comes out exactly at 5km.

but you're right, 215/45/16 is almost the exact same size diameter wise as the stock 195/50/16. it just sucks that there is pretty much no good tyres for either 195/50 or 214/45, so that's why i went with the 204/45

but that's good to know the toyo's are lighter! good stuff :D less rotational weight and less sprung weight (allows shocks to work better/quicker....i think it's called sprung weight)
 
to me (not a good comparison though), the tyres are not loud at all hehehehe

fyi - the rim protector is great on the stock wheels. i couldnt call it more prefectly designed. also, i have my pressured 36psi front and rear. seams fine to me.
 
twilightprotege said:
but you're right, 215/45/16 is almost the exact same size diameter wise as the stock 195/50/16. it just sucks that there is pretty much no good tyres for either 195/50 or 214/45, so that's why i went with the 204/45
now i remember - someone said that the odd size of the stock wheel left us only one 215/45/R16 performance tyre from Falken which i mentioned at the very beginning of this thread. :(

so, hopefully, depends on how much they'll pay for my rear tyres, i'm going to get either 2 or 4 T1S this week. :D
 
update: got 4 sets of 205/45/R16 T1S today, got a wheel alignment as well.

so far so good, the tyres do feel different from the mid-life-crisis stock tyres. the ride is more smooth, a bit quieter, and steering feedback feels more confident. also it's rainy today, tried higher speed than usual when exiting the highway, i feel a bit nervous, the car doesn't. :D

very happy now, thanks guys and gals. :)
 
30000 max i'd say. obviously depends on how you drive. if i can get 30000 i'd be real happy (just make sure you change the front tyres to the back every 5000k's)
 
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