Towing Boat W/boost

[00zmde]

Can the ZMDE tow 2300 lbs with HIBOOST with no worries every weekend? I bought my truck to tow the boat but would prefer to have my protege pull it. Do you think it can make 100-250 mile round trips every weekend?

If im in the wrong section move me. I posted here because I dont think 82whp can pull a boat worth a s***, but might be possible with a turbo.

 

[gboromsp]

One word, NO. Reason being way too much stress on the motor. You'd have to be in boost almost constantly, which equals boom. And 2300 lbs behind a protege. Our cars don't have the suspension for that. Just tow the boat with the truck, simple as that.

Can the ZMDE tow 2300 lbs with HIBOOST with no worries every weekend? I bought my truck to tow the boat but would prefer to have my protege pull it. Do you think it can make 100-250 mile round trips every weekend?

If im in the wrong section move me. I posted here because I dont think 82whp can pull a boat worth a s***, but might be possible with a turbo.

 

[MyOrangeToy]

I don't think the brakes are good enough for an extra 2300 pounds

 

[00zmde]

I think with carefull driving the brakes will be good. My brakes on the car feel much better than the truck brakes.

How much strain are we talking about here on the engine? I know the 1.6 can handle some serious boost on stock internals. How much can being in boost at low levels constantly be damageing? Is it the heat or what? Pls help.

 

[Hughes412]

Can the ZMDE tow 2300 lbs with HIBOOST with no worries every weekend? I bought my truck to tow the boat but would prefer to have my protege pull it. Do you think it can make 100-250 mile round trips every weekend?

If im in the wrong section move me. I posted here because I dont think 82whp can pull a boat worth a s***, but might be possible with a turbo.

I'm sorry, but you got to be joking. You want to put 2300 lbs on the back of you protege!? Do this, put 5 300 lbs people in your car and look at how it sits. You would rub you tires. If you put 2300 lbs on it you will blow the rear suspention. The car is not meant for that, just read your owners manual.

 

[viVid]

Wow, I was just searching the net for the towing capacity of the P5 and ran across this old thread, maybe it'll help

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11039

In all seriousness tho, from what I found it appears that 1000-1500 lbs would be the max towing capacity. My 4000lb 250-hp Volvo wagon is only rated for around 3000lbs.

The tongue weight is another thing to consider - you don't want to be bottoming out the rear and lifting the front off the ground (where 90% of your braking comes from).

IMO, just not a good idea...

 

[01bluemp3]

Dont do it chip, dont do it

 

[Hughes412]

Wow, I was just searching the net for the towing capacity of the P5 and ran across this old thread, maybe it'll help

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11039


IMO, just not a good idea...

That made me laugh, thanks! LOL

 

[hex2bit]

There are hitches for your car. JC Whitney has one that is rated at 2,500 lbs, with a tongue weight of 200 lbs. Remember, your owners manual says to not tow with the car, ever! Assuming your warranty is off, it is really up to you. There are quite a few others on the forum that tow with their protgs without problems.

If you do tow with it, remember that you are towing something that is almost the same weight as your car. Your car is 2,500 lbs, and the trailer is 2,300 lbs. You have almost half the braking ability because of twice the weight, and half the acceleration.

The only weight that is static on the car is the tongue weight (the weight at the ball join of the trailer). I'm sure you could probably pick up the tongue of the trailer with your hands, so you should be fine. Most trailers don't have that high of a tongue weight.

The dynamic forces come from the weight of the trailer. So when you accelerate, brake, turn, go over bumps, go up a hill, go down a hill, whatever... those forces are transferred to your car. These put forces on your frame, transmission, and engine. The main concern would be the transmission, as these added forces will create more heat. If you drive aggressively, you could have issues with your transmission later on due to heat. This is why some people add transmission coolers to their vehicles when towing.

Now, my opinion... Use common sense, brake early (double the weight), and if you are in stop and go traffic or going up a hill, be gentle. If you are flooring it up a hill, you are having the car work too hard, especially with a turbo.

I have a hitch on my Protege5. I plan to tow a small trailer and a small boat with it. I plan to use common sense, and have fun. I hope that you do to

Going to a high quality transmission fluid wouldn't hurt. There are some good synthetics our there, like Redline MT-90 or Pennzoil Synchromesh. Redline also has a ShockProof product that people seem to love, but its meant for racing. If you choose to use it, only use the Heavy version, as the rest are too light for normal, long-term use. Some people mix the ShockProof products with other products, but thats probably getting into too much work for what you want to do
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My 3 cents

 

[protegeric]

what?! what the hell u wanna pull a boat with a car instead of a truck anyway? i wouldnt pull anything with a car. this is \/\/ /-\ ( l< (wack). someone move this thread to the humor section?

 

[MyOrangeToy]

You have a truck why wouldn't you pull with it?

 

[hex2bit]

I'm sorry, but you got to be joking. You want to put 2300 lbs on the back of you protege!? Do this, put 5 300 lbs people in your car and look at how it sits. You would rub you tires. If you put 2300 lbs on it you will blow the rear suspention. The car is not meant for that, just read your owners manual.

Just for a quick note, as most people don't really think about this when they first hear it...

The entire weight of the trailer does not sit on your car. The tongue weight is the weight that sits on your car. The tongue weight is typcially 100 lbs or so for a small trailer.

Now, when you go over bumps, down a hill, up a hill, brake, accelerate... then a fraction of the trailer's weight will get added or subtracted from the tongue weigh. It all depends on what you are hauling and how the forces pivot on the trailer axel.

For example, if I do haul a trailer that weights 2,500 lbs, with a tongue weight of 150 lbs, my car will only have 150 lbs sitting on the back of the car. This would be roughly the same as me sitting in the back of the car or standing on the hitch. Now, if I start moving, the trailer will pivot on the wheels, and the forces against my car (tongue weight) will change. So as I drive, the tongue wieght might vary from -50 lbs to 350 lbs, or more if I'm aggressive. Well, I could have two people sit in the back of my car and it won't kill it.

So it won't crush the car, pop your tires, etc. Now that semi trailer, that might have a tongue weight that is a little too high for your car! Wow, nice pic

 

[Aricjm15]

I have towed a 1800lbs with my car (96 neon)
I would never want to go any more than that, if you think driving with a bunch of fatasses in your car is bad, this is worse.
And if your car has an automatic trans i wouldnt suggest towing a jet ski let alone a boat.

 

[chuyler1]

 

[Hughes412]

Just for a quick note, as most people don't really think about this when they first hear it...

The entire weight of the trailer does not sit on your car. The tongue weight is the weight that sits on your car. The tongue weight is typcially 100 lbs or so for a small trailer.

Now, when you go over bumps, down a hill, up a hill, brake, accelerate... then a fraction of the trailer's weight will get added or subtracted from the tongue weigh. It all depends on what you are hauling and how the forces pivot on the trailer axel.

For example, if I do haul a trailer that weights 2,500 lbs, with a tongue weight of 150 lbs, my car will only have 150 lbs sitting on the back of the car. This would be roughly the same as me sitting in the back of the car or standing on the hitch. Now, if I start moving, the trailer will pivot on the wheels, and the forces against my car (tongue weight) will change. So as I drive, the tongue wieght might vary from -50 lbs to 350 lbs, or more if I'm aggressive. Well, I could have two people sit in the back of my car and it won't kill it.

So it won't crush the car, pop your tires, etc. Now that semi trailer, that might have a tongue weight that is a little too high for your car! Wow, nice pic

All of this is true, but I do have a story to tell you. My step moms parents had a mazda truck, a single cow trailer and 1 2000lbs bull. They did this all the time, raise the cow and sell him. On the way to the action the bull shifted and the front of the truck came off the ground and went streight into a tree.

This is a truck that has twice the towing as a protege, But I say go for it. Just remember this. Your breaks (i can't spell that for the life of me) are not ment for the weight nor is the suspention or drivetrain. But I would love to see the end result.

 

[bazooka joe]

Can the ZMDE tow 2300 lbs with HIBOOST with no worries every weekend? I bought my truck to tow the boat but would prefer to have my protege pull it. Do you think it can make 100-250 mile round trips every weekend?

If im in the wrong section move me. I posted here because I dont think 82whp can pull a boat worth a s***, but might be possible with a turbo.

don't do it!

 

[viVid]

This is a truck that has twice the towing as a protege, But I say go for it. Just remember this. Your breaks (i can't spell that for the life of me) are not ment for the weight nor is the suspention or drivetrain. But I would love to see the end result.

It's "brakes" And I totally agree with you - as already suggested, this should really be moved to the humor section.

 

[anarchistchiken]

NO! NO NO NO NO NO! Your car WILL BREAK! That's all there is to it. Your brakes, motor and transmission will definately not take it. A 96 f-150 isn't supposed to tow more than 3000 lbs, so a 2000 protege sure as hell isn't!

Just for a quick note, as most people don't really think about this when they first hear it...

The entire weight of the trailer does not sit on your car. The tongue weight is the weight that sits on your car. The tongue weight is typcially 100 lbs or so for a small trailer.

Now, when you go over bumps, down a hill, up a hill, brake, accelerate... then a fraction of the trailer's weight will get added or subtracted from the tongue weigh. It all depends on what you are hauling and how the forces pivot on the trailer axel.

For example, if I do haul a trailer that weights 2,500 lbs, with a tongue weight of 150 lbs, my car will only have 150 lbs sitting on the back of the car. This would be roughly the same as me sitting in the back of the car or standing on the hitch. Now, if I start moving, the trailer will pivot on the wheels, and the forces against my car (tongue weight) will change. So as I drive, the tongue wieght might vary from -50 lbs to 350 lbs, or more if I'm aggressive. Well, I could have two people sit in the back of my car and it won't kill it.

So it won't crush the car, pop your tires, etc. Now that semi trailer, that might have a tongue weight that is a little too high for your car! Wow, nice pic

Ok dude, think about this. It doesn't matter what the tongue weight is on a car like this. The tongue weight of a light boat trailer like he's talking about is probably closer to 20-50 lbs, depending on how the trailer is set up. But that doesn't matter. The thing that matters is, when he speeds up, slows down, or turns, he's going to be accelerating 5000-5500 lbs instead of the 2500 lbs the brakes engine, and transmission were designed for.

 

[flat_black]

Uhm... Yeah, the tongue weight only applies when the load and car are static, or are both inertially equal. Once you brake, or accelerate, or have an impure thought, the weight increases exponentially. =)

 

[BoostedMP3]

You either have a death wish or are just plain stupid if you think that a pro can handle that kind of strain. Plus, you are endangering other people out there with trying to manuever what it's not meant to handle it. Good luck pulling the pistons and rods out of the hood that they are imbedded in. (smash)