The Act

[koston33]

I have been looking fro the act the people are talking about that is suppose to protect moders. Basically stating that the dealership has to show that the problem was caused by the mod. Can anyone throw me the name of the act, its escaping me right now.

 

[Oldcabin]

Magnusson-Moss

 

[koston33]

wow so I googled this and well I it seems like we can mod all we want. If they deny you then you can just take them to court and if they lose they are liable for the fees that you incure. So I say f... it. As long as we're not beating the engine with a hammer, simple mods like a sri, tbe, fmic, and such should not void warranty, no matter what the dealer says. But whatever.

 

[crashkelly]

wow so I googled this and well I it seems like we can mod all we want. If they deny you then you can just take them to court and if they lose they are liable for the fees that you incure. So I say f... it. As long as we're not beating the engine with a hammer, simple mods like a sri, tbe, fmic, and such should not void warranty, no matter what the dealer says. But whatever.

yeah well that's what everyone thinks...but it's not that simple...the act reads that the mod has to be a direct cause of the problem for the warranty to be voided...but that is very vague and a dealer can easily get away with saying "well you put something on the car that the engineers did not originally intend for and therefore it affected overall performance which caused your problem"

Now you are going to have a million posts from people saying that's BS and that's not how it works, but I have yet to any real world stories of people getting away with mods by referencing this act to their dealers. So in my opinion it is all talk.

 

[jaydubz]

wow so I googled this and well I it seems like we can mod all we want. If they deny you then you can just take them to court and if they lose they are liable for the fees that you incure. So I say f... it. As long as we're not beating the engine with a hammer, simple mods like a sri, tbe, fmic, and such should not void warranty, no matter what the dealer says. But whatever.

Koston this has been a topic that alot of us are fighting. Alot of Mazda Dealers have been very unfair lately. Please read up on some of these threads for an example of what going on!

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123702384

 

[koston33]

one thing i know for sure is that they can't void for having a differnet intake or exhaust, since it doesn't come from mazdaspeeed. The Act says that you are not required to use their specific product.

"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.

In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.

 

[crashkelly]

one thing i know for sure is that they can't void for having a differnet intake or exhaust, since it doesn't come from mazdaspeeed. The Act says that you are not required to use their specific product.

"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.

In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.

Total non-sense...using a different product than the manufacturer sells is almost exactly the reason that they void warranties...

Listen if you put an exhaust and intake on your car and the engine blows do you really think they are going to put every exhaustive effort into finding out if the problem was caused by something else other than you fiddling with it? NOPE! They will see immediately that it is not stock and do everything in their power to NOT have to pay for it. You might say that "oh well we investigated this and the engine blew because of something malfunctioning in the fuel system", but they are going to come right back at you and say "well it broke because you added performance parts that caused higher horsepower which in turned taxed the fuel system causing the problem".

The "Act" was written by politicians to make modders stop crying about warranty issues, but it was made so vague that we all get ****** anyways...Who do you think politicians intended to protect with that act? Consumers who might have a case using this act once in awhile...or the Dealerships who have loads of money in their pockets for political contributions?

This topic has been done to death and yet NO ONE has ever come on to a thread and say they benefited from this Act and I doubt there is anyone out there that has (or very few at least)...If someone can show me some concrete examples that would be great, but instead we have 90 page threads of people "denying until they die" that this act is "protecting them" and that they can mod whatever they want...which is bull...In the end the dealer is GOING to screw you.

People are forgetting the biggest loophole in this MAgnusson crap is this:

The car was engineered by some of the smartest people on the planet. The dealerships offer a warranty based on this very principle, that the countries smartest minds built these cars. You, the consumer, are lucky to even be smart enough to have a GED...Who the hell are you to say that by putting an intake on a car you are not endangering the car and therefore voiding the warranty? YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT GOES INTO ENGINEERING A CAR JUST BECAUSE YOU WATCHED FAST AND THE FURIOUS.

You could not even comprehend all the math and engineering that goes into these vehicles....and even if you are right that your "mod" didnt break your car...they know enough math to convince a judge and jury that you did break it! Aesthetic mods are one thing, but performance mods are a totally different thing.

 

[jaydubz]

Total non-sense...using a different product than the manufacturer sells is almost exactly the reason that they void warranties...

Listen if you put an exhaust and intake on your car and the engine blows do you really think they are going to put every exhaustive effort into finding out if the problem was caused by something else other than you fiddling with it? NOPE! They will see immediately that it is not stock and do everything in their power to NOT have to pay for it. You might say that "oh well we investigated this and the engine blew because of something malfunctioning in the fuel system", but they are going to come right back at you and say "well it broke because you added performance parts that caused higher horsepower which in turned taxed the fuel system causing the problem".

The "Act" was written by politicians to make modders stop crying about warranty issues, but it was made so vague that we all get ****** anyways...Who do you think politicians intended to protect with that act? Consumers who might have a case using this act once in awhile...or the Dealerships who have loads of money in their pockets for political contributions?

This topic has been done to death and yet NO ONE has ever come on to a thread and say they benefited from this Act and I doubt there is anyone out there that has (or very few at least)...If someone can show me some concrete examples that would be great, but instead we have 90 page threads of people "denying until they die" that this act is "protecting them" and that they can mod whatever they want...which is bull...In the end the dealer is GOING to screw you.

People are forgetting the biggest loophole in this MAgnusson crap is this:

The car was engineered by some of the smartest people on the planet. The dealerships offer a warranty based on this very principle, that the countries smartest minds built these cars. You, the consumer, are lucky to even be smart enough to have a GED...Who the hell are you to say that by putting an intake on a car you are not endangering the car and therefore voiding the warranty? YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT GOES INTO ENGINEERING A CAR JUST BECAUSE YOU WATCHED FAST AND THE FURIOUS.

You could not even comprehend all the math and engineering that goes into these vehicles....and even if you are right that your "mod" didnt break your car...they know enough math to convince a judge and jury that you did break it! Aesthetic mods are one thing, but performance mods are a totally different thing.

LOL, and I assume that you are, based on the mathematical prowess that you have demonstrated? Get real and find another thread to try and fester!
:bs:

 

[koston33]

totally agree. But if they provide an intake and a exhaust then it doesn't matter if you use someone else, because they offer these parts meaning that nothing should break if you switch from stock to a different exhaust and intake then what they provide. Also the intake they have made for the ms3 has been discontinued as of now, so I mean that says something. Either way I was just saying, thats what I found.

 

[MS3077]

LOL, and I assume that you are, based on the mathematical prowess that you have demonstrated? Get real and find another thread to try and fester!
:bs:

+1

 

[crashkelly]

LOL, and I assume that you are, based on the mathematical prowess that you have demonstrated? Get real and find another thread to try and fester!
:bs:

Im not, but Im not the one trying to justify my mods, I voided my warranty and I pay for the work if something breaks...I wasnt personally attacking the guy I said "you, the consumer..." not you the original poster...it was a general statement, I just mean in general people think that they justify this s***, but they dont know what goes into building a car.

oh and feel free to get ******...good luck quoting the magnusson act next time you go crying to your dealer. This is why quality members are leaving this forum...all these new 16 year old losers come in, dont read the whole quote and start s***. I never made any claims that I was smart enough to justify anything in a warranty case, but since your comprehension skills are lacking you took it as some kind of insult and read into it that I was trying to say I was some kind of engineer. Learn to read brother, I am just trying to help anyone out there who reads this crap you people are posting about how you can just mod whatever you want and you dont have to worry because YAY the Magnusson Act is in place! Hurray we are all safe!...****** fags...

 

[SwampAss]

I bought 4 warranties. They can void 3 and I'm still covered.

 

[crashkelly]

+1

nice 1/4 time....no one cares about your 4th gear excuses dummy high-schooler

 

[jaydubz]

Im not, but Im not the one trying to justify my mods, I voided my warranty and I pay for the work if something breaks...I wasnt personally attacking the guy I said "you, the consumer..." not you the original poster...it was a general statement, I just mean in general people think that they justify this s***, but they dont know what goes into building a car.

oh and feel free to get ******...good luck quoting the magnusson act next time you go crying to your dealer. This is why quality members are leaving this forum...all these new 16 year old losers come in, dont read the whole quote and start s***. I never made any claims that I was smart enough to justify anything in a warranty case, but since your comprehension skills are lacking you took it as some kind of insult and read into it that I was trying to say I was some kind of engineer. Learn to read brother, I am just trying to help anyone out there who reads this crap you people are posting about how you can just mod whatever you want and you dont have to worry because YAY the Magnusson Act is in place! Hurray we are all safe!...****** fags...

LOL, real intelligent! Guess I got my answer about your mathematical skill, verbal skill and high school career! Oh and just for the record I am not "modded"! As for being 16, I would probably guess that was your age judging by your last post. Grow up and get a better view of the larger picture sparky! Do us all a favor and follow suit and leave the forum! Dripping nose!

 

[MS3077]

nice 1/4 time....no one cares about your 4th gear excuses dummy high-schooler

Did I ask you if you gave a s*** about my 1/4 time and the reason for it?

Why don't you do us all a big favor and (stfu) Thank you!

 

[Munnugles]

ok this may sound stupid as hell and all (ok it definetly will sound stupid)
now lets say you blew your motor and you had the mods on and dealer says void because you added power mods and what not... now my car dynod at 250ish but the factory specs say 263... what if you fight with them over that and say your car didnt come to spec with 263... i didnt read anywhere that says whp vs crank hp... and say you where just trying to get what your car SHOULD come with... lol yes stupid and all... but just a thought... and i wonder what the dealers would say if i tried using that one if i blew my motor

 

[gr3y]

I bought 4 warranties. They can void 3 and I'm still covered.

lol..

 

[Tigs]

ok this may sound stupid as hell and all (ok it definetly will sound stupid)
now lets say you blew your motor and you had the mods on and dealer says void because you added power mods and what not... now my car dynod at 250ish but the factory specs say 263... what if you fight with them over that and say your car didnt come to spec with 263... i didnt read anywhere that says whp vs crank hp... and say you where just trying to get what your car SHOULD come with... lol yes stupid and all... but just a thought... and i wonder what the dealers would say if i tried using that one if i blew my motor

I cannot think of a single manufacturer that quotes you whp on their new cars....good luck with that.

 

[Munnugles]

I cannot think of a single manufacturer that quotes you whp on their new cars....good luck with that.

exactly my point lol... im just screwing around... but if i ever have my warrenty voided, im definetly gunna mess with the dealer on that for my own personal amusement