Talking to Lawyer

[mazdaowner123]

I don't get why you guys are flaming Tito. He doesn't want to deal with rattles and squeeks when he sells the car. If you don't care about them, then why's it matter to you? Why's it even matter to you at all what he does with his car? If he loses the case, he loses. If he wins, then good for him. I don't see the need to get mad at a guy for trying.

~brian

 

[mazdaowner123]

Oh and I don't think diamond studded buns would taste as good

 

[JHew84]

Jhew, SpaceMonkey & now in particular Binary

Your ability to miss the point is impressive.

Binary-Do you read previous posts??

And Jhew84, your focus on the MSP being a 'cheap' expresses a disconnect from most Americans reality. Maybe this explained in your screen name. So, born in '84, means your 21 and driving a 'cheap' $20k. There is no way in hell that you worked to pay for that car. Thank mommy, daddy, and/or the trust fund, b/c you just sound a bit spoiled.

Plus that screen name is so wack! Can I be Torah69

**** off you arrogant prick, the fact that you are making some pretty bold assumptions about MY LIFE goes far beyond a simple debate about cars, mommy, daddy, nor a trust fund paid for my protege, i have worked my ass off through all of and before my highschool education, and continue to work my ass off during college to afford the things i buy, other than a few times asking for assistance with rent/groceries i pay my own way 100%, bills/rent/car/insurance, but please find me a college student who either hasn't, or wouldn't ask for rent money if they needed it, so stop assuming you know me, because you have no clue how hard i have worked to attain what i have... the MSP is a cheap car, was it cheap for me? HELL NO, it is killing me on a monthly basis, but i can accept the fact that the car, in the grand scheme of new cars, is NOT an expensive one, apparently you are still having trouble dealing with that, whatever, i can't help it that you are not happy with what you can afford, i am, have fun being unhappy with your car, hope it works out for you, but its much more fun being happy with what you own and what you can afford...

and ripping on my SN, nice, why even bother? i'm not jewish (nice joke tho, ), my name has nothing to do with being jewish, again assumptions made an ass of you, so STFU, to be quite honest it was a username that AIM scrambled together for me when i was in middle school, i have just used it ever since because its a username, who cares? (yupnope) are you a mexican dog or something? seems fitting for the name "tito", i could care less tho and i find it mildly amusing that you would even put that much thought into my SN (lol)

and how did i miss your point? you are unhappy with the car because it squeeks etc, mazda hasn't seemed to fix it yet so you want them to buy it back under the lemon law, boofuckinghoo, you seem to be missing MY point, this s*** happens, cars are not perfect, and nor will they ever be, especially a sports car, we'll review, there are 3 dimensions of car ownership, speed, price, reliability (quality), you can only pick 2, the other is sacrificed, choose what you want and quit bitching about it already, if the MSP isn't built good enough for you, go get something that is, but it wont be as fast/fun... not to mention, if you are as much of an ass to the techs at the dealership as you are being right now, i wouldn't be suprised if they just tossed your car up on a lift, had some coffee, and told you they fixed it and had a nice laugh after you left... and i also reiterate, if people are not buying your car because of a simple squeek in the suspension, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BUY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, that is what is called an excuse, they decided they didn't want the car and rather than tell you that they just dont want it, they feel they need to justify it so you wont try to continue talking them into the deal...

but i am interested to see how this turns out, either way i could care less, obviously you are not happy with the protege so it would be nice if you got something you did like, but sitting here bitching about how much it sucks is pretty counterproductive and off-base, because they are not bad cars and you make them out to be a lot worse than they really are...

 

[4001]

No matter how much the vehicle costs, once it is put on the showroom floor, the car company is passing on assumptions regarding qualtity, saftey and operation. Hence the ability to invoke lemon law.



Tito

Did you just make this assumtion up on your own?....So every single new car put on show room floors are flawless....never once has a new car come with a problem? If you you were so concered with spending money and espically since this sounds to be the first car you spent a decent sum of money on why didnt you research it first.

 

[spacemonkey]

I don't get why you guys are flaming Tito. He doesn't want to deal with rattles and squeeks when he sells the car. If you don't care about them, then why's it matter to you? Why's it even matter to you at all what he does with his car? If he loses the case, he loses. If he wins, then good for him. I don't see the need to get mad at a guy for trying.

~brian

Its not that its knowing what you get for a $20K car. You can look at any new car and if its european, Japanese or American car cheap is $15-$20K and you wouldnt expenct a perfect car. $15-20K brand new is the price for any entry level car.

People ask me all the time is the MSP worth the price...I said it once and I will say it again..."YES."

Oh and I don't think diamond studded buns would taste as good

I beg to differ...if im paying $1 for a hamburger it better be the best hamburger possible with diamonds in it. Becasue I paid $1 and I want it to be perfect and the best thing, best value possible for my $1...



With that said I will contact a lawyer about possible "lemons" in my family cars. I had recalls on all of them thus they came defective from the factory...they are Lemons. Please, no car is not problem free. I dont like the noise that comes form my seat when I move it back....im gonna make the dealer buy it back. And the MSP is too noisy too...engine makes too much noise.

How am I suppose to commute to work everyday on the high way with a high pitched spooling/turbo sound form the engine bay? Its fuckign annoying and I want the dealer to buy it back. I takled to my friend and hes goign to have Dodge buy his SRT-4 back because the exhaust note is too loud. Its hinderence to his driving. Its a lemon becasue it backfires form the factory...no stock car should back fire is what he says. He also says the SRT-4 has no muffler and that dodge didnt put a muffler on his car causing the exhaust noise. Its a lemon. Also he wanted to tell you guys his SRT-4 had oil leaks stock 1 month after he bought it.

 

[JHew84]

I don't get why you guys are flaming Tito. He doesn't want to deal with rattles and squeeks when he sells the car. If you don't care about them, then why's it matter to you? Why's it even matter to you at all what he does with his car? If he loses the case, he loses. If he wins, then good for him. I don't see the need to get mad at a guy for trying.

~brian

that was never my point, i was simply pointing out that they make this car out to be a lot worse off than it really is, i honestly dont care what happens to HIS car or HIM, i would be glad to hear he gets out from under a car he doesn't like and into something he does like, but he is ripping the MSP apart when it doesn't deserve it, and i was never mad at him, maybe a little when he started assuming he knew me personally, mainly i was just trying to point out he was making far to big a deal of these small issues and that if these bother him, he probably wont be happy with any other sports car in that same price range because they will more than likely have similar problems...


and tito, the reason your used cars are more reliable/dont have these little issues, is because they are used, the previous owners have already taken care of all of this bulls***, that is the joy of owning a new car, you get to be the first to deal with all of the problems the car will have, if you are lucky enough to buy a well taken care of used vehicle then of course they will treat you well, why wouldn't they? in 10-20 years MSPs will more than likely be a lot more reliable/better than they are now because everyone will have fixed all of these small problems... my 500 dollar probe SE has given me less problems than my 16K dollar MSP, but i was lucky to get a very solid vehicle for a very good price, one which had already had all of the minor problems remidied...

w/e, i'll check back for updates on your lawsuit, but obviously you are taking this a little to personally so i'm not going to debate the finer points of the MSP anymore, good luck with the lawsuit , and be sure to update often because there are others that feel the same as yourself...

 

[JHew84]

Its not that its knowing what you get for a $20K car. You can look at any new car and if its european, Japanese or American car cheap is $15-$20K and you wouldnt expenct a perfect car. $15-20K brand new is the price for any entry level car.

People ask me all the time is the MSP worth the price...I said it once and I will say it again..."YES."




I beg to differ...if im paying $1 for a hamburger it better be the best hamburger possible with diamonds in it. Becasue I paid $1 and I want it to be perfect and the best thing, best value possible for my $1...



With that said I will contact a lawyer about possible "lemons" in my family cars. I had recalls on all of them thus they came defective from the factory...they are Lemons. Please, no car is not problem free. I dont like the noise that comes form my seat when I move it back....im gonna make the dealer buy it back. And the MSP is too noisy too...engine makes too much noise.

How am I suppose to commute to work everyday on the high way with a high pitched spooling/turbo sound form the engine bay? Its fuckign annoying and I want the dealer to buy it back. I takled to my friend and hes goign to have Dodge buy his SRT-4 back because the exhaust note is too loud. Its hinderence to his driving. Its a lemon becasue it backfires form the factory...no stock car should back fire is what he says. He also says the SRT-4 has no muffler and that dodge didnt put a muffler on his car causing the exhaust noise. Its a lemon. Also he wanted to tell you guys his SRT-4 had oil leaks stock 1 month after he bought it.

eh, i'm gonna have to disagree with this post, just because a car has faults doesn't qualify it for the lemon law, you have to take it in repeatedly and have it not be fixed numerous times, my argument is that the small things "not getting fixed" just aren't worthy of the lemon law, and are just normal parts of an entry level inexpensive sports car...

 

[spacemonkey]

MAybe I was alittle harsh what im saying is this is very normal for a car thst $20K.

My family own 5 cars between my dad, mom and brother...

VW GOlf GLS ($15K)
Linclon LS ($32K)
BMW 740iL ($65K?)
Ford Explorer ($28K) traded for the MSP ($17K).

Company 85 Chevy Truck...still runnign strong, problem free, just oil changes. I do admit amercan cars require alot more maintence, as in oil changes on the dot, very standard on high out put engines. but there not reason to say its not as reliable as its competators. Its definately not efficent (gas and power)as imports. And I admit syling and refinment/comfort imports are the best. I can say from experience becasue we owned several Ford and GM cars along with Japanese and European cars. Suprisingly the most problem free out of all those cars is the MSP and Explorer since they only been back for the dealer once. Explorer for the tires and MSP for the reflash.

Guess which one has been to the dealer back for the most problems? All of them have been back but the more expensive Bimmer has been back numerous times...numerous. You simply can not expect perfection at any price. You can get close but theres bound to be somethign wrong. Klunk is very minor compared to what has happened to all 3 of those cars. I remeber the BGumball rally where the guy just bought a Koeinisegg CC8S and off the bat it was leaking oil and coolant and it was nearly $400,000 car. The Ferrari 360CS paint was comming off.

 

[spacemonkey]

eh, i'm gonna have to disagree with this post, just because a car has faults doesn't qualify it for the lemon law, you have to take it in repeatedly and have it not be fixed numerous times, my argument is that the small things "not getting fixed" just aren't worthy of the lemon law, and are just normal parts of an entry level inexpensive sports car...

Yes thats what im getting at...um perhaps i should have used [sarcasm] tags [/sarcasm]. if you havent notice im a sarcastic guy.

Minor problems is expected in all cars, whether noticalbe or unnoticable. A blown engine stock is not a minor problem. You wouldnt think a car like the neon is unreliable in a crash test but it is. Thus the safety and structural integrity might be a un-noticalbe minor problem but if you get in a wreck it will be a serious problem. Thus you can probally go over 100K miles boosting 23 psi whatever on a SRT-4 (no klunk) but once a crash happens thats when the problems are noticable.

And we can all see 1st hand how reliable a Protege is in a crash as in JerseyEMT and Drsound (rolled off a cliff).

 

[b00sted]

I beg to differ...if im paying $1 for a hamburger it better be the best hamburger possible with diamonds in it.

bro theres noway youre gonna get a hamburger with diamonds for only 1 buck.. hah..thats ridiculus

 

[spacemonkey]

Oh I also take the financing/accounting side very seriously as im studying coporate finance I see these cases in countless books and in class discussion every day. The morals vs a firms responsibility.

yes, I plan to be a ultimate bean counter and use my powers for immoral and unethnical business practices. But honestly its hard to say the price for the MSP is too much or unjustified. Car is worht every penny and even more if you look at what they probally spent on it.

Having things contracted out probally bit them in the ass and thus all new Mazdaspeed are done in house by Mazdaspeed...no more callaway or racing beat. its just that people who work for the company know the cost involved as opposed to callaway tuning a car not caring about cost and having accountants skim it down to a $20K car. People who work for the company (Mazdaspeed) are more efficent and utilize all resources and can hit a budget better. Thats the rumors behind McLaren and MErcedes...Mclaren doesnt care about profit putting all good s*** in their cars and Mercedes's accountant are like "hell no" we're gonna go broke. Rumor is tension is arising between the drection of their super car project (P classes). Little tib bit the Mclaren F1 barely made any profit for Mclaren.

 

[hoindawall]

$20k?! shet, after dealer markup i ended up paying $25k (which includes 2000 cash back offer)

 

[JHew84]

$20k?! shet, after dealer markup i ended up paying $25k (which includes 2000 cash back offer)

everything is more expensive in hawaii , theres quite a few people on here who bought their speeds brand new for 16k out the door, they had to wait til the dealerships got desperate, but the difference of 25k and 16k seems like it would be worth it ...

 

[hoindawall]

everything is more expensive in hawaii , theres quite a few people on here who bought their speeds brand new for 16k out the door, they had to wait til the dealerships got desperate, but the difference of 25k and 16k seems like it would be worth it ...

well i still think my investment was worth the money, even with the minor problems and whatnot

 

[BinaryRotary]

This car is as sturdy as your are going to get for a 20k sport compact. Thats all there is to it. You can b**** and moan all you want but you'll NEVER have a car as good as the MSP for the price.

 

[Tito1]

I'm sorry, but if $20 isn't a lot to spend on a car than car I move in with your parents?????
(hear ya) I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just trying to figure out your arguments. Your value of money is so warped I've made the only conclusion that makes sense to me...That you didn't work for your car.

And I'm still not saying that i don't like my car. And I'm NOT saying cars don't have problems
BUT, those problems have to be fixed, or 'worked out' so the next buyer can not only enjoy the depreciation, but the reliability thats been 'worked out' by the first ownwer. hehe

This thread started simply as an update on what I'm doing. Theres pages on this forum about lemon laws, so I thought people would be interested in some action.

 

[JHew84]

I'm sorry, but if $20 isn't a lot to spend on a car than car I move in with your parents?????
(hear ya) I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just trying to figure out your arguments. Your value of money is so warped I've made the only conclusion that makes sense to me...That you didn't work for your car.

And I'm still not saying that i don't like my car. And I'm NOT saying cars don't have problems
BUT, those problems have to be fixed, or 'worked out' so the next buyer can not only enjoy the depreciation, but the reliability thats been 'worked out' by the first ownwer. hehe

This thread started simply as an update on what I'm doing. Theres pages on this forum about lemon laws, so I thought people would be interested in some action.

no, i worked very hard for my car, no ifs and or buts, feel free to move in with my mom, you can have my room as i've lived on my own since shortly after graduating highschool, its the small room in the back of a small house , oh and its only a 1 car detached non-insulated garage, have fun in there (lol) i know i did... that was a pretty bolt assumption, and fittingly it was 100% incorrect, try not to do stuff like that because sooner or later you'll assume the wrong thing about the wrong person...

i realize you want these problems fixed, and i am still wondering why yours haven't been fixed after so many trips, most people i read about getting the warranty work done it fixes the problem, maybe on the 2nd time but it actually does fix it... but also, something like a squeek is such a non-issue that it should be able to be lived with, the interior in my probe is sooo freaking cheap that it rattles/squeeks/makes noises i've never even heard before, and if i had taken it into the dealership for warranty work i'm sure the problem would not have been fixed, would that qualify me for the lemon law? because if it does they need to rethink it, stuff like that is just there, it always will be, trying to get mazda to buy back your car wont stop it on any other cars, it will just cost everyone money...

regardless, good luck with the lawsuit, i will check back for updates...

 

[4001]

... that was a pretty bolt assumption, and fittingly it was 100% incorrect, try not to do stuff like that ...

He seems to do it a lot...

No matter how much the vehicle costs, once it is put on the showroom floor, the car company is passing on assumptions regarding qualtity, saftey and operation.

 

[Tito1]

Hey Jersey boy...here's another assumption...your and idiot.


I too can pull quotes that have nothing to do with eachother and flame.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

And to the idea that one should expect squeeks, klunks ect. when purchasing a performance car is simply deluding themself. It just what happens when a car is poorly engineered.
Tito

The car was engineered perfectly.

It was how that engineering was produced with lower costing materials that is giving you the problems you have. If you want those fixed you have to spend some money on your own.

Don't like the clunky rear suspension - then upgrade to a new swaybar bracketry that follows the originally Racingbeat-designed layout. they are for sale here on the forum.

Think you front bushings squeak too loudly, replace the bushings with some new ones that allow for lubrication.

Think you rear decklid or other interior body panels squeak too much - spend 1/2 hour to pull it out and line the bottom with some weatherstripping.

Want less road noise - downgrade to lesser performance tires or smaller rims and larger tires.

If you wanted all these problems fixed by Mazda the MSP would have cost over 25K. But it didn't, it cost you 20K. If you invest anouther $300 (and most of that is the new brackets for the rear suspension) and a little time I bet you'll find the car a lot more to your liking.
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Good luck with the buy back if that is the route you decide to take. You may want to PM Thrillride. I'm pretty sure he got his MSP bought back under the lemon law here in Texas.