Subaru owners sure dislike the CX-7
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WRCprotege
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im a mazda guy, but i LOVE STIs, mt step dad has one, light mods for trackday use, never the less the STI is a f-ing moster, go anywhere,do anything with 4 people, and still woop ass.. thats why i love it... but i love my P5 for half the price..fighting on forums is like wining the special olympics you may win but your still retarded!!!! 
It seems that even in this thread there are some Mazda fanbois. People get tunnel vision when they place themselves within a certain maker's "camp".
If you really want to compare apples to apples, harsh criticisms need to be made:
CX-7, it's a baby-suv. It's not fast, it wasn't really meant to be. Talk about it going up against an STi or EVO is completely foolish. If you want a fast car it's gotta be light and have power. 3900+ lbs and 240hp, even with a 6 speed (slush box), it's still crap. Oh, yeah, most of them are FWD. It handles very well for an SUV, but when compared to the "sportier" cars like the speed 3/6, evo, eagle talons/eclipses/starions, fc3's, it's still crap.
Racing an SUV?? It's an exercise in futility if you look at cold hard facts.
Does that mean I'm not going to put on an efficient downpipe and upgrade the intercooler and make some fuel adjustments? Nope. If I can see making the car more powerful and saving gas in the mean time.. I'm all for it. Will I be doing AWD burnouts in the snow this week... yep. But turning the CX-7 into a street racer is :wtf:
Go buy a gen 1 or 2 eclipse AWD for $1500, dump $1500 into a nice turbo upgrade, $1500 into a 2.3L stoker kit, and a few hundred on fuel upgrades and some dyno time... you'll be able to spank ~95% of cars on the road... all for less than $5k. why bother making a two ton hunk of crap fast?
That's just my humble e-opinion.
If you really want to compare apples to apples, harsh criticisms need to be made:
CX-7, it's a baby-suv. It's not fast, it wasn't really meant to be. Talk about it going up against an STi or EVO is completely foolish. If you want a fast car it's gotta be light and have power. 3900+ lbs and 240hp, even with a 6 speed (slush box), it's still crap. Oh, yeah, most of them are FWD. It handles very well for an SUV, but when compared to the "sportier" cars like the speed 3/6, evo, eagle talons/eclipses/starions, fc3's, it's still crap.
Racing an SUV?? It's an exercise in futility if you look at cold hard facts.
Does that mean I'm not going to put on an efficient downpipe and upgrade the intercooler and make some fuel adjustments? Nope. If I can see making the car more powerful and saving gas in the mean time.. I'm all for it. Will I be doing AWD burnouts in the snow this week... yep. But turning the CX-7 into a street racer is :wtf:
Go buy a gen 1 or 2 eclipse AWD for $1500, dump $1500 into a nice turbo upgrade, $1500 into a 2.3L stoker kit, and a few hundred on fuel upgrades and some dyno time... you'll be able to spank ~95% of cars on the road... all for less than $5k. why bother making a two ton hunk of crap fast?
That's just my humble e-opinion.
i didn't read this entire thread but i really hope u guys are not trying to match the speed/power of a WRX to a CX. there is no comparison whatsover, the subaru, sorry to say, would whip a CX, even giving it a head start....come on now, don't be silly. yes the CX is quick, not fast. for an SUV or whatever it is, yes it's very quick.
-9hooker nice talon, u still have? that was my first love...a 96 turbo FWD w/ upgraded turbo w/ turbo timer, HKS exhaust and BOV, OZ wheels and eibach springs ....now that was fast... the cx couldn't compare not even close...and from what i understand, the fast WRX's are as fast or maybe alittle faster than my talon...
- wish i still had that beast...
-9hooker nice talon, u still have? that was my first love...a 96 turbo FWD w/ upgraded turbo w/ turbo timer, HKS exhaust and BOV, OZ wheels and eibach springs ....now that was fast... the cx couldn't compare not even close...and from what i understand, the fast WRX's are as fast or maybe alittle faster than my talon...
- wish i still had that beast...
I agree to an extent. The CX7 isn't even close to my Evo as far as performance. Never will be.9Hooker said:It seems that even in this thread there are some Mazda fanbois. People get tunnel vision when they place themselves within a certain maker's "camp".
If you really want to compare apples to apples, harsh criticisms need to be made:
CX-7, it's a baby-suv. It's not fast, it wasn't really meant to be. Talk about it going up against an STi or EVO is completely foolish. If you want a fast car it's gotta be light and have power. 3900+ lbs and 240hp, even with a 6 speed (slush box), it's still crap. Oh, yeah, most of them are FWD. It handles very well for an SUV, but when compared to the "sportier" cars like the speed 3/6, evo, eagle talons/eclipses/starions, fc3's, it's still crap.
Racing an SUV?? It's an exercise in futility if you look at cold hard facts.
Does that mean I'm not going to put on an efficient downpipe and upgrade the intercooler and make some fuel adjustments? Nope. If I can see making the car more powerful and saving gas in the mean time.. I'm all for it. Will I be doing AWD burnouts in the snow this week... yep. But turning the CX-7 into a street racer is :wtf:
Go buy a gen 1 or 2 eclipse AWD for $1500, dump $1500 into a nice turbo upgrade, $1500 into a 2.3L stoker kit, and a few hundred on fuel upgrades and some dyno time... you'll be able to spank ~95% of cars on the road... all for less than $5k. why bother making a two ton hunk of crap fast?
That's just my humble e-opinion.
BUT you can't haul a recliner in my Evo.
( The only thing I have hauled in the CX7 so far).As far as the 7 being capable it is. This CUV surprises me more and more. It beating a WRX....maybe with a bad driver in the WRX. The only "race" I had was with a Focus and it only slowly pulled away from that.
All I have to say is this is the internet. Sometimes what is said here goes totally against reality.(peep)
That Talon was to be my race car. A good friend from college was going to sell it to me real cheap since it had a spun rod bearing... he put a bunch of money into it but got fed up with the problems. I was a professional mechanic at a local high performance import shop, and did a lot of work for/with him.
I had planned to gut the car, throw in some fiberglass seats, 8 pt roll cage, get the stoker kit which would have solved the rob bearing problem, and created a WICKED race car.
But alas, the wife decided that was not in my best interest.
I had planned to gut the car, throw in some fiberglass seats, 8 pt roll cage, get the stoker kit which would have solved the rob bearing problem, and created a WICKED race car.
But alas, the wife decided that was not in my best interest.
cruzdreamer
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I was just going to say that njcx7!
You need to change the title of this thread to NASIOC hates CX-7...they hate most cars that aren't WRX's. The only reason they don't bash the LGT is because they wish they could afford one and a STG 2 will smoke a WRX
Definately don't base all Suby owners on NASIOC the rest of the Suby community talks this way about them too...that site has really turned into exactly as it was stated before. A very large collection of teenage boys w/a WRX and mom's check book.
I am a very active member of legacygt.com and it is much like the Mazda community. A little older demographic 99% of us are recent college grads or young adults w/young families.
I started a thread on LGT.com about buying my wife a small SUV/Crossover...the guys on LGT actually brought up the CX-7 and Mazda 5 to buy my wife http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49239
Most actually are saying go w/the CX-7!?! and they are my #1 & #2 choice followed by the Forester at least on the surface. The Suby crowd that would be in the CX-7 demographic likes this car...
The test drives will answer the questions for me...and its going to be a difficult decision probably down to the best deal I can get.
oh and on another note a WRX and/or STi would smoke a CX-7 they should they are rice rockets and the CX-7 is a people hauler...now my Leggy would do both haul people and go zoom zoom zoom!
Definately don't base all Suby owners on NASIOC the rest of the Suby community talks this way about them too...that site has really turned into exactly as it was stated before. A very large collection of teenage boys w/a WRX and mom's check book.
I am a very active member of legacygt.com and it is much like the Mazda community. A little older demographic 99% of us are recent college grads or young adults w/young families.
I started a thread on LGT.com about buying my wife a small SUV/Crossover...the guys on LGT actually brought up the CX-7 and Mazda 5 to buy my wife http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49239
Most actually are saying go w/the CX-7!?! and they are my #1 & #2 choice followed by the Forester at least on the surface. The Suby crowd that would be in the CX-7 demographic likes this car...
The test drives will answer the questions for me...and its going to be a difficult decision probably down to the best deal I can get.
oh and on another note a WRX and/or STi would smoke a CX-7 they should they are rice rockets and the CX-7 is a people hauler...now my Leggy would do both haul people and go zoom zoom zoom!
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nocoastgangster
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9Hooker said:It seems that even in this thread there are some Mazda fanbois. People get tunnel vision when they place themselves within a certain maker's "camp".
If you really want to compare apples to apples, harsh criticisms need to be made:
CX-7, it's a baby-suv. It's not fast, it wasn't really meant to be. Talk about it going up against an STi or EVO is completely foolish. If you want a fast car it's gotta be light and have power. 3900+ lbs and 240hp, even with a 6 speed (slush box), it's still crap. Oh, yeah, most of them are FWD. It handles very well for an SUV, but when compared to the "sportier" cars like the speed 3/6, evo, eagle talons/eclipses/starions, fc3's, it's still crap.
Racing an SUV?? It's an exercise in futility if you look at cold hard facts.
Does that mean I'm not going to put on an efficient downpipe and upgrade the intercooler and make some fuel adjustments? Nope. If I can see making the car more powerful and saving gas in the mean time.. I'm all for it. Will I be doing AWD burnouts in the snow this week... yep. But turning the CX-7 into a street racer is :wtf:
Go buy a gen 1 or 2 eclipse AWD for $1500, dump $1500 into a nice turbo upgrade, $1500 into a 2.3L stoker kit, and a few hundred on fuel upgrades and some dyno time... you'll be able to spank ~95% of cars on the road... all for less than $5k. why bother making a two ton hunk of crap fast?
That's just my humble e-opinion.
I like the rim sitting on the front step!
nocoastgangster
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9Hooker said:It seems that even in this thread there are some Mazda fanbois. People get tunnel vision when they place themselves within a certain maker's "camp".
If you really want to compare apples to apples, harsh criticisms need to be made:
CX-7, it's a baby-suv. It's not fast, it wasn't really meant to be. Talk about it going up against an STi or EVO is completely foolish. If you want a fast car it's gotta be light and have power. 3900+ lbs and 240hp, even with a 6 speed (slush box), it's still crap. Oh, yeah, most of them are FWD. It handles very well for an SUV, but when compared to the "sportier" cars like the speed 3/6, evo, eagle talons/eclipses/starions, fc3's, it's still crap.
Racing an SUV?? It's an exercise in futility if you look at cold hard facts.
Does that mean I'm not going to put on an efficient downpipe and upgrade the intercooler and make some fuel adjustments? Nope. If I can see making the car more powerful and saving gas in the mean time.. I'm all for it. Will I be doing AWD burnouts in the snow this week... yep. But turning the CX-7 into a street racer is :wtf:
Go buy a gen 1 or 2 eclipse AWD for $1500, dump $1500 into a nice turbo upgrade, $1500 into a 2.3L stoker kit, and a few hundred on fuel upgrades and some dyno time... you'll be able to spank ~95% of cars on the road... all for less than $5k. why bother making a two ton hunk of crap fast?
That's just my humble e-opinion.
I like the rim sitting on the front step!
(poke) (poke) ah noone is saying the CX-7 can even come close to a Evo or Sti it was never implied,expressed etc.. READ the whole post word for word. A 1G or 2G DSM nah rotted strut towers on the 2G around here 2G replacing the entire 3 ball joints up front,front axles locked in the hubs, no thanks plus all the other quirks and a bad 7 bolt motor design mmm. 1G way to old only good one 92 w/a 6-bolt 93-94 terrible 7 bolters, buy from a 16 year old, no way those cars are barely around and if so in terrible condition. It will cost way more than a grand for new trans rebuild syncros,bearings, clutch masters,slaves,turbo,head,block,usually the rear ends have tons of backlash, drive axle carrier bearings shot, Ecu caps,then the interiors are trashed and feel cheap, my 2 cents This is a CX7 forum of course we like our cars. I don't think anyone brought up dragging "street racing" come on , for me its to see a punk and I rocket off the line in a Suv and smoke them up to 60. I had a brand new 96 TSI AWD back in the day it was fun while it lasted same as my 94 VR-4 The good ole days before kids. I traded a 04 WRX for the CX-7 a standard WRX sucks for the money its a tin box underpowered it was a terrible ownership. The only car out there I would consider is a EVO or STI. (peep) A 92-99 T/L/E DSM IF I was broke and 17 again. (poke)
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if a punk in a WRX STI knew u were gonna "rocket off the line", he would smoke us to 60 and beyond. i'm done w/ this post. i don't even know how it was started. guys in STI's, that are into them, would laugh at this. yes the CX is quick but it ends there...
for some reason though, since i put the turbo emblem on the back, i constantly have dorks pulling next to me at lights and while driving, looking to race. i only took 2 of them on, a mustang, don't know what kind, it was dark and he was left behind. it was a new body style though. also a grand prix which burnt out at light, and i let him get ahead, then passed him slowly. i wouldn't even attempt to race an STI, well maybe just to see him go silly...!
for some reason though, since i put the turbo emblem on the back, i constantly have dorks pulling next to me at lights and while driving, looking to race. i only took 2 of them on, a mustang, don't know what kind, it was dark and he was left behind. it was a new body style though. also a grand prix which burnt out at light, and i let him get ahead, then passed him slowly. i wouldn't even attempt to race an STI, well maybe just to see him go silly...!
You don't like the 4G63? Ok so you don't like the 7 bolt. Go buy a 6 bolt shortblock for cheap. I would build the motor anyway if I planned on upgrading anything near the turbo. I like working on my own cars. I'm not into paying a shop $50-65/hour to swap a motor I can do myself. BTW, rebuilding a tranny yourself can be MUCH cheaper than $1k.
It seems like you are getting your panties in a bunch. Relax. It all boils down to do you want to be comfortable and carry things/pax, or do you want to be fast?
There was talk about the 7 vs an sti.
For reference... if you do it yourself 10 seconds can cost as little as $6k. See pic.
(600+ whp in 1.8L and 10.8 with easy shifting on MT slicks)
It seems like you are getting your panties in a bunch. Relax. It all boils down to do you want to be comfortable and carry things/pax, or do you want to be fast?
There was talk about the 7 vs an sti.
For reference... if you do it yourself 10 seconds can cost as little as $6k. See pic.
(600+ whp in 1.8L and 10.8 with easy shifting on MT slicks)
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My friend still likes all the old 90's DSM and MMC stuff he has 3-TT stealths a 95 3000GT VR-4 Spyder a 98 Tsi AWD. I have had many DSM's and Stealths I'm outta that stage in life as most in this forum is, anyone who thinks a CX can run with a EVO ot Sti is mistaken. I like to work on cars not to restore them. My panties feel good
Yes 6-bolts motors good
7- bolts "crankwalkers" bad
I've done a 2G 6-bolt conversion its not easy on those cars nor removing the 2G AWD trans. If your VCU is burn out and all syncros,bearings gone its a b**** to fix I've been there done that too. I'm a old school DSM'r I had my first 90 Laser Turbo in 1993 so I've spent 100 of thousands of miles behind the wheel of those products after awhile it gets old.
Yes 6-bolts motors good
7- bolts "crankwalkers" bad
I've done a 2G 6-bolt conversion its not easy on those cars nor removing the 2G AWD trans. If your VCU is burn out and all syncros,bearings gone its a b**** to fix I've been there done that too. I'm a old school DSM'r I had my first 90 Laser Turbo in 1993 so I've spent 100 of thousands of miles behind the wheel of those products after awhile it gets old.
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9Hooker said:We're on the same page. Speed and handling at the expense of everything including eardrums is no longer worth it, hence my wife and I's two automatic cars and no more motorcycle
(still gonna upgrade the downpipe and IC and get better fuel mapping in the 7)
I'm with you on the CX7 upgrades I have the same plans.
Its fun to tinker I think my big tuner days are about done family has taken the free time away.
