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Srt-4 Best Handeling Ff Car Ever, A Fact!!
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BFgoodwrench KDW? Drag racing type tires? Dont know much about the KDW2...I heard its improved compund/tred is suppose to help in cornering. But I never used KDW and they were always the tires recommended for drag racing/
"street racing."
Its one think to make a 2.0L engine handel. Its another to make a 2.4L engine handle. Dodge did a good job but I have yet to see performace...just specs...we'll see.
Not very sold on the ACR SRT-4. It just has bigger tires, lighter rims and thicker sway bars. Everything else is cosmetics. Its a bit differnt compared to the ACR neon in the past....this is my thoughts on the ACR SRT-4
Given the current price of a SRT-4 looks like the ACR package will be alot...which is a big turn off. Why go for FWD when you can have RWD? There are advantages in cornering with FWD but RWD will just give you a better comprimise in all situation. ACR neon was hot back in the day because it was a TRUE ACR car...barebone with nothign. The price was also low. When I think of ACR I think of race breed like the ACR Viper. Not a SRT-4 with coilovers, ACR vinyl, tires and rims. That sounds close to a Stage 2 mopar suspention upgrade or whatever it is. I would have like to see more underbody braces but apparently they gone the thicker sway bar route.
my guess is that this will be priced slightly higher then the EVO VIII RS...which means I will most definately take the EVO VIII RS over a ACR SRT-4. maybe the best handling FWD car but for that price you can get one of the best handling AWD car...4 wheels is better then 2. Unless you are a GT racer then you want RWD.
The old RS was alot cheaper but the new one is around $28K (2004 models have more suspention goodies)...im predicting all this ACR SRT-4 will be around $24K. I dont know its a tough decision...im a huge fan of the EVO...HUGE
Amatuer racing doesnt count...so you can leave all the amatuer type SCCA auto-X stuff out. Give Micheal Shumacher a Geo Metro and he could probally smoke me in a ferrari enzo. In amatuer racing it almost always comes down to the driver and driving skills...not vehicle. its like that in almost every racing. i.e. look at what Schumacer did. He one a GP with one gear gone. Man is amazing when it comes to driving that they need a Schmacher handicap...i.e. saw his legs and hands off
As for the MSP handling...one of the best and still compteively priced considering MSRP was around Type R ITR and 03 SRT-4 range....but only one had this kind of comparision:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=221&page_number=1
look at the sloam #, skid pad, breaking and etc form any magainze and compare the 2. MSP has the advantage on stock setup. Just like the SRT-4 has an advantage on power setup. 2 cars built for 2 different purpose.
Dodge and Mazda philosphy on cars are different too. One focuses on power the other focuses on Handeling and fun driving cars. Look at what mopar offers and look at what Mazdamotorsports offers. 1st thing that pops up on mopar website is a stage 2 or stage 3 upgrade (engine not suspention). 1st thing that pops up on any mazda related site is handling. There is a tuner section on Mazda site devoted to the science of handling. Even what mazda uses on its rear suspetion design is unique and specially chosen to tighten up the back end.
God forbid you mention a weakness in a stock SRT-4. Alot of them think there cars are perfect and flawless. I dont care what you drive but it isnt flawless nor perfect unless it is worth $500,000 and badged as a Ferrari Enzo, Porsche Carrera GT, PAgani Zonda C12, McLaren Mercedes SLR or anythign short of F1.
"street racing."
Its one think to make a 2.0L engine handel. Its another to make a 2.4L engine handle. Dodge did a good job but I have yet to see performace...just specs...we'll see.
Not very sold on the ACR SRT-4. It just has bigger tires, lighter rims and thicker sway bars. Everything else is cosmetics. Its a bit differnt compared to the ACR neon in the past....this is my thoughts on the ACR SRT-4
Given the current price of a SRT-4 looks like the ACR package will be alot...which is a big turn off. Why go for FWD when you can have RWD? There are advantages in cornering with FWD but RWD will just give you a better comprimise in all situation. ACR neon was hot back in the day because it was a TRUE ACR car...barebone with nothign. The price was also low. When I think of ACR I think of race breed like the ACR Viper. Not a SRT-4 with coilovers, ACR vinyl, tires and rims. That sounds close to a Stage 2 mopar suspention upgrade or whatever it is. I would have like to see more underbody braces but apparently they gone the thicker sway bar route.
my guess is that this will be priced slightly higher then the EVO VIII RS...which means I will most definately take the EVO VIII RS over a ACR SRT-4. maybe the best handling FWD car but for that price you can get one of the best handling AWD car...4 wheels is better then 2. Unless you are a GT racer then you want RWD.
The old RS was alot cheaper but the new one is around $28K (2004 models have more suspention goodies)...im predicting all this ACR SRT-4 will be around $24K. I dont know its a tough decision...im a huge fan of the EVO...HUGE
Amatuer racing doesnt count...so you can leave all the amatuer type SCCA auto-X stuff out. Give Micheal Shumacher a Geo Metro and he could probally smoke me in a ferrari enzo. In amatuer racing it almost always comes down to the driver and driving skills...not vehicle. its like that in almost every racing. i.e. look at what Schumacer did. He one a GP with one gear gone. Man is amazing when it comes to driving that they need a Schmacher handicap...i.e. saw his legs and hands off
As for the MSP handling...one of the best and still compteively priced considering MSRP was around Type R ITR and 03 SRT-4 range....but only one had this kind of comparision:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=221&page_number=1
look at the sloam #, skid pad, breaking and etc form any magainze and compare the 2. MSP has the advantage on stock setup. Just like the SRT-4 has an advantage on power setup. 2 cars built for 2 different purpose.
Dodge and Mazda philosphy on cars are different too. One focuses on power the other focuses on Handeling and fun driving cars. Look at what mopar offers and look at what Mazdamotorsports offers. 1st thing that pops up on mopar website is a stage 2 or stage 3 upgrade (engine not suspention). 1st thing that pops up on any mazda related site is handling. There is a tuner section on Mazda site devoted to the science of handling. Even what mazda uses on its rear suspetion design is unique and specially chosen to tighten up the back end.
God forbid you mention a weakness in a stock SRT-4. Alot of them think there cars are perfect and flawless. I dont care what you drive but it isnt flawless nor perfect unless it is worth $500,000 and badged as a Ferrari Enzo, Porsche Carrera GT, PAgani Zonda C12, McLaren Mercedes SLR or anythign short of F1.
"well under 24k" is what one of the seemingly inside members on the srt forums said, nowhere near stripped down evo range.
the acr hasn't been a true stripped down car since the initial run in 1994, ac and radio have been options since then and other than that it was just a base neon with suspension and brakes basically. the 2000+ acr's were less stripped down
the acr hasn't been a true stripped down car since the initial run in 1994, ac and radio have been options since then and other than that it was just a base neon with suspension and brakes basically. the 2000+ acr's were less stripped down
01 and 02 were strippers...no side moldings or radio R/T front crosshair grille with 1 inch lip 15" snowflakes dual tips from r/t and the Magnum engine re introduced but in a SOHC form magnum H.O. Badge. 01 had hotter cam(still in closet for some unknown reason!)...02 had weaker cam with pcm to compensate for it. 02 they killed the acr and only R/T had rear sway bar. Have to look it up and see if A/C was even an option...Drag radials were a big step up and turbo. 01 and 02 American Club Racer neons can out handle the previous years srt-4's. Can't speculate for current but thats what I ment in the other thread that the neons history was base model car with Magnum engine.
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it had traction control and abs standard, and a/c and other power stuff were options. definitely not stripped down, maybe more so than a regular neon but not stripped down by any meansneons.org faq said:Despite the best efforts of the SCCA Competition Board to punish Chrysler for making such a good, inexpensive race car, the ACR returned in the 2001 model year. Although added weight has slowed the car slightly, it remains an excellent value in the "fun-to-drive" category, and would in fact be competitive if it were not purposely mis-classed by the SCCA. When the ACR was introduced in 1994, the car was built to be as light and simple as possible, using the lowest available trim levels. The second generation ACR, however, is more like the new R/T, minus some appearance items and luxuries. It shares the Magnum SOHC engine, standard Antilock Brakes and Traction Control, leather shifter and wheel, front fascia, and dual-outlet exhaust with the R/T, minus the side-skirts. In addition, a convenience package including A/C, keyless entry, power locks, and interior light package were available.
The ACR's suspension remains unique, and includes double-adjustable Dynamic Suspensions struts, in addition to stiffer spring rates, thicker sway bars, and firm-feel steering also seen on the R/T.
maybe they figured since they now have power they don't need to strip it down... the main goal with the acr was to make an out of the box race car. since they have pretty much as much power as a front wheel drive car can handle on a road course, maybe they didn't see a need to save 20lbs by dropping ac and stereo and other little small things that make the car good to drive every day. they needed to strip it to make it go fast originally, now it goes fast without stripping it
Da 6 said:I saw a flame red SRT totaled (Rolled multiple times) in 3 days of ownership! can anyone beat that?
also I beleve the changes were qualife limited-slip dif...stage 2 injectors, sport pedals and electric blue as added/and or replaced solar yellow.
my friend totalled his first mp3 within 3 hours of ownership, he only put 12 miles on it before its demise.
sorry to hear that dude.. The flame red was street racing in the snow with the BF'goddridges still on...the front facia looked fine but looking at the FMIC and side markers the car hit something.... really hard!FSRbikr98 said:my friend totalled his first mp3 within 3 hours of ownership, he only put 12 miles on it before its demise.
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honestly $24K is the lowest I think it will go. In reality I think it will be clsoe to $25K-$26K...which the Old 2003 EVO VIII RS use to cost around that much. If not I would take a WRX...still I maintain $25K+ is alot ot be paying for a FWD car.
What im saying ACR seems like just another package rather then a specific car. What exactly is the main difference besides the wheels. Dont they offer similar full adjustable coilovers and sway bar kits from mopar? $1,600 Stage 3 suspention upgrade plus about $600 sway bar kit? Since there isnt much of a difference it still seems like its aimed to please everday driving with comfort and convienice.
Those cost alone means it has to be $2,000-$3,000 above a MSRP of $21-$22K...thats why I think it will end up being close to $25K-$26K...which is alot. Thinking that base model nissan 350Z is at an MSRP of $26,700 not to mention RX-8, Miata and WRX.
What im saying ACR seems like just another package rather then a specific car. What exactly is the main difference besides the wheels. Dont they offer similar full adjustable coilovers and sway bar kits from mopar? $1,600 Stage 3 suspention upgrade plus about $600 sway bar kit? Since there isnt much of a difference it still seems like its aimed to please everday driving with comfort and convienice.
Those cost alone means it has to be $2,000-$3,000 above a MSRP of $21-$22K...thats why I think it will end up being close to $25K-$26K...which is alot. Thinking that base model nissan 350Z is at an MSRP of $26,700 not to mention RX-8, Miata and WRX.
i thought the evo rs wasn't around til 04, and that came with no ac, no radio, minimal sound deadening, not something you really wanna drive every day, or at least i don't. a comparable evo is around 30k
the acr is just a package. dodge realizes as well that their suspension upgrades will be similar in price, so they'll have to price accordingly. none of the parts require any r&d time as they all exist already, so it'll only basically cost parts extra. there were a lot of heavy hints if you read the thread on the srt forum that it'll surprise a lot of people with how low the price is, it won't be something to trade for if you already own one but worth it if you're looking to buy new. so let's say 2000 in parts, msrp is what, 21500, so you're at 23500. sounds like a good deal to me
some of the people on that board are insiders with either dodge or in the automotive industry, btw...
the acr is just a package. dodge realizes as well that their suspension upgrades will be similar in price, so they'll have to price accordingly. none of the parts require any r&d time as they all exist already, so it'll only basically cost parts extra. there were a lot of heavy hints if you read the thread on the srt forum that it'll surprise a lot of people with how low the price is, it won't be something to trade for if you already own one but worth it if you're looking to buy new. so let's say 2000 in parts, msrp is what, 21500, so you're at 23500. sounds like a good deal to me
some of the people on that board are insiders with either dodge or in the automotive industry, btw...
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ACR NEon and EVO VIII RS was orginally ment to be those type of cars that you dont want to drive around everyday.
Thats my whole point, its a package with comfort. Which isnt what the ACR badge was originally concieved as. When you quoted the FAQ is what I think of when thinking of ACR. Race ready without comfort....a slightly different car taht has been modfied for road racing.
ACR Viper GTS was badass but wasnt exactly fun to drive...especially in florida.
ACR stands for American Club Racing and it was one of those division like Mazda Motorsports which developed parts for pure purpose of racing....not to be daily driven. I remember the ACR viper engine that was an option but not street legal...the one with 650 hp as oppose to the standard 500 or so.
Example: the old ACR neon basically got rid of Overdrive 5th...final gear was shorter for more revs. Like why would you need a long overdrive gear when you are racing?
The original ACR neon had no radio, air con or anti lock breaks. Radio and air can be added in by the dealer just like the EVO VIII RS.
I really dont know how to explain it, except it doesnt really seem like a ACR...just a SRT-4 with Mopar style upgrades (but not mopar). Just doesnt seem to have the hardcore modifications like the old ACR neon. Like they put on some basic bolt ons and called it an ACR. I would expect them to rework the ratios and tranny to fit road racing
$2000 in parts is only coilovers and sway bars. Another $1000 or more will be the lighter BBS rims as oppose to the stock lookign rims and fatter, stickier tires.
If it is priced low, its one of those "reputation" cars. Or as you said one of those "going out of production" cars like the limited edition supra or the Spriti R RX-7. Giving that they are only producing a limited amount and not sure if they are still sold along with the regular SRT-4 its highly doubtful it will be only $2K more. And given that Mopar suspention packages are already offered by the dealer I dont see the need for a ACR SRT-4 if its priced competively with its own regular SRT-4 with Mopar stage 3 upgrade. It will be hell of a good deal if it is...who knows the question is will this be it for 2005 or will regular SRT-4 be sold along side?
Maybe its me...im not a big fan of the neon chasis....dont know why. The headlights bug me and the scoop bugs me. And the rear wheel gap bugs me the most. Grill and bottom part of the bumper is nice. The interior is okay. Seats are amazing. I dont like the shifter's location...kind of has that truck feel. I dont know...if I didnt have the MSP then sure but I see alot of SRT-4s...which has changed my mind about them. And the fact that my next car is going to be RWD or AWD....FWD is okay for economy but you just have more fun with RWD.
Thats my whole point, its a package with comfort. Which isnt what the ACR badge was originally concieved as. When you quoted the FAQ is what I think of when thinking of ACR. Race ready without comfort....a slightly different car taht has been modfied for road racing.
ACR Viper GTS was badass but wasnt exactly fun to drive...especially in florida.
ACR stands for American Club Racing and it was one of those division like Mazda Motorsports which developed parts for pure purpose of racing....not to be daily driven. I remember the ACR viper engine that was an option but not street legal...the one with 650 hp as oppose to the standard 500 or so.
Example: the old ACR neon basically got rid of Overdrive 5th...final gear was shorter for more revs. Like why would you need a long overdrive gear when you are racing?
The original ACR neon had no radio, air con or anti lock breaks. Radio and air can be added in by the dealer just like the EVO VIII RS.
I really dont know how to explain it, except it doesnt really seem like a ACR...just a SRT-4 with Mopar style upgrades (but not mopar). Just doesnt seem to have the hardcore modifications like the old ACR neon. Like they put on some basic bolt ons and called it an ACR. I would expect them to rework the ratios and tranny to fit road racing
$2000 in parts is only coilovers and sway bars. Another $1000 or more will be the lighter BBS rims as oppose to the stock lookign rims and fatter, stickier tires.
If it is priced low, its one of those "reputation" cars. Or as you said one of those "going out of production" cars like the limited edition supra or the Spriti R RX-7. Giving that they are only producing a limited amount and not sure if they are still sold along with the regular SRT-4 its highly doubtful it will be only $2K more. And given that Mopar suspention packages are already offered by the dealer I dont see the need for a ACR SRT-4 if its priced competively with its own regular SRT-4 with Mopar stage 3 upgrade. It will be hell of a good deal if it is...who knows the question is will this be it for 2005 or will regular SRT-4 be sold along side?
Maybe its me...im not a big fan of the neon chasis....dont know why. The headlights bug me and the scoop bugs me. And the rear wheel gap bugs me the most. Grill and bottom part of the bumper is nice. The interior is okay. Seats are amazing. I dont like the shifter's location...kind of has that truck feel. I dont know...if I didnt have the MSP then sure but I see alot of SRT-4s...which has changed my mind about them. And the fact that my next car is going to be RWD or AWD....FWD is okay for economy but you just have more fun with RWD.
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i think the srt4's last year is the 2005 model, and these are being released as a 2005.5, so it's really the last year you can get one. that and factory modified vs. aftermarket (granted, mopar, but still aftermarket) is different, different racing rules for classes of racing. i can't say i know a whole lot about autox classes and whatnot, but i'm willing to bet that coilovers puts you into a modified class, whereas this will still be a bone stock car
the original acr was meant for scca racing, as is this car. lots of power in a front wheel drive car is traction limited, regardless of weight, so why sacrifice comforts needlessly? it'll still be fast on the track, which is the ultimate goal of the acr cars.
i know what you're saying that it's not a hardcore, stripped down track b****, but they actually want to sell some of these, and the market for stripped down fwd car with ginormous wing on the back and the reputation of a neon is very limited and moving 1000 stripped down srt's would be tough.
i looked into getting an 04 srt when the 05 was just coming out, and it just didn't impress me quite enough to warrant losing the money on my trade. i wanna test drive one of these to see if this may warrant a trade. i especially like the white
the original acr was meant for scca racing, as is this car. lots of power in a front wheel drive car is traction limited, regardless of weight, so why sacrifice comforts needlessly? it'll still be fast on the track, which is the ultimate goal of the acr cars.
i know what you're saying that it's not a hardcore, stripped down track b****, but they actually want to sell some of these, and the market for stripped down fwd car with ginormous wing on the back and the reputation of a neon is very limited and moving 1000 stripped down srt's would be tough.
i looked into getting an 04 srt when the 05 was just coming out, and it just didn't impress me quite enough to warrant losing the money on my trade. i wanna test drive one of these to see if this may warrant a trade. i especially like the white
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Same here I just feel like it shouldnt be a ACR neon...kinda defacing the name. I thought the SRT-4 was suppose to be a ACR neon with power. As in its the performance neon (ACR) but has comfort (street car) Making it SRT (street racing technology). So its kind of redundant to call it a ACR again. It whould be called somethign like Mopar SRT-4 much like a Nismo 350z. Or Mugen Integra Type R....liek A spec RSX. I just think the ACR badge should be left as a track b**** type thing.
Who knows maybe its a new marketing approach or maybe the Germans are that up to date with Dodge history...its a nice car. Doesnt make it perfect or supirior like what alot of SRT-4 owners thing about there cars. like SRT-4 > GT2, SRT-4 > 350z, SRT-4 > EVO type deal...im so sick and tired of reading those ridicilous kill stories. You pay for what you get...just because a Neon can be made to compete with a EVO doesnt mean its a EVO killer. Hard for them to comprehend that. Maybe its a trend but that combination of cheapness and fast brings out the cockiness in the kindest individuals. Who knew a guy driving a 17 sec Civic and made the switch to SRT-4, can talking so much trash about EVOs...not a big fan of that. When a EVO MR brings out the ole..."my car can handel," I've seen SRT-4 owners saying there cars can too. But since when did a SRT-4 pull over .95 gs stock? Senseless to think your car is so suprior.
Who knows maybe its a new marketing approach or maybe the Germans are that up to date with Dodge history...its a nice car. Doesnt make it perfect or supirior like what alot of SRT-4 owners thing about there cars. like SRT-4 > GT2, SRT-4 > 350z, SRT-4 > EVO type deal...im so sick and tired of reading those ridicilous kill stories. You pay for what you get...just because a Neon can be made to compete with a EVO doesnt mean its a EVO killer. Hard for them to comprehend that. Maybe its a trend but that combination of cheapness and fast brings out the cockiness in the kindest individuals. Who knew a guy driving a 17 sec Civic and made the switch to SRT-4, can talking so much trash about EVOs...not a big fan of that. When a EVO MR brings out the ole..."my car can handel," I've seen SRT-4 owners saying there cars can too. But since when did a SRT-4 pull over .95 gs stock? Senseless to think your car is so suprior.
I'm with space monkey...ACR package is almost like their srt-4 appearance package for the sxt "sxt-4" DCX has beeen doing alot of this lately. then they started double naming srt's... 2 SRT-10's and SRT-8's are still growing as we speak.
Yes neon is being killed off as DCX is known for. they kill a car after like 10 years and replace it with something else. Before the whole mitshu thing blew up last I heard the Lancer was gonna be 2 door replacement and have a dodge badging. DCX was supose to team up with mitsu and hyundai to make this project car but I hav't heard anything recent. just the 3 new concepts in the link I posed in one of theses SRT threads...
Yes neon is being killed off as DCX is known for. they kill a car after like 10 years and replace it with something else. Before the whole mitshu thing blew up last I heard the Lancer was gonna be 2 door replacement and have a dodge badging. DCX was supose to team up with mitsu and hyundai to make this project car but I hav't heard anything recent. just the 3 new concepts in the link I posed in one of theses SRT threads...
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