Sometimes I Just Want to Slap Mazda

Originally posted by Ryan


a saturn a ******* saturn are you kidding me.. thats like comparing a friggin green bean to a apple.. ur the moron. you can't compare a econo box that put puts, to a msp or any other semi performance car, at least pic a car in the class range. like ford focus or vw gti or something in the same class. im the moron yet u compare it to a saturn? lol.. yeah right.

WTF dude --- you think a Saturn isn't in the same class as a Ford Focus?! What planet are you on because it certainly is not Earth.

Originally posted by Ryan

the bushings dont s*** out after 3000 miles dip its either there when you got it or its not.

Man, do you even own the car? The bushings DO s*** out after 3000 miles. When I left the lot, no clunk. When I cleared 3000 miles, clunk. There have been NUMEROUS people on this board that have had the exact same experience.

Originally posted by Ryan

...i find these ppl to be very picky and if mazda will replace it no hassel why even worry about it?

What do you do after the next 3000, and the next 3000, and the next 3000? They have a word for a car that has to be taken back to the dealership every 3000 for warranty work -- and that word is "LEMON." And NEWS FLASH - your warranty is not this perptual lasting thing -- eventually it ends and they WON'T replace it for "free."

Originally posted by Ryan

...and joes fpr does completely get rid of it well for me it did and everyone else it has,...
For some people, yes, for everyone that installs it, NO.
 
holy cripes you guys will spout off at the drop of a hat.

why doesn't everybody just go schedule some freakin anger management classes or something.
 
chwood said:
holy cripes you guys will spout off at the drop of a hat.

why doesn't everybody just go schedule some freakin anger management classes or something.

LOL! After buying this car, I think I may need to do that!(pissed)
 
michaelnchelle said:
Wow, this was a HUGE shitstorm, I cant help but add my two cents too. First off, these are fairly basic problems, you guys are right. They are also not MAJOR problems, like the car isnt going to blow up or anything.

Has anyone seen any information on how the MSP is built?? I was wasting time at the dealership the other day waiting for some papers and was reading some crap about the MSP. Turns out, its NOT a factory built car. Mazda imports a bunch of regular Proteges with the MSP colors applied, but nothing else done to it. At the port (theres like 10 ports Mazda uses) they have a team of "specially trained" Mazdaspeed employees who actually build the car... they install the turbo, the sway bars, the spoiler and the rest of the body kit, seats, shifter, etc etc.... just like if you took your car to a local shop and had all those same mods applied. I personally dont see why its done this way, what a freakin waste of stock parts and assembly time... manufacturing economies of scale would clearly point out that this is an ineffecient way to produce a car, even a limited production car like this one. But regardless, this method is also FILLED with chances for mistakes to happen. Its like the old days of car building, where if you car was produced on a Friday or Monday it was more likely to be a piece of crap. Well, here they are only building like 1 car a day at each port, so the chances of getting one that was screwed up is HUGE. So even though your car is a "stock" car, its basically exactly like a modded car... it needs more care and attention than your normal factory built performance car. I think its similar to buying a Saleen Mustang... Ford makes Mustang GT at the factory, its got pretty good performance and also pretty good reliability, most every GT will work exactly the same due to robots performing the work 100 times a day. But a Saleen can be bought at the dealer, is covered under warranty too, but they still have a lot more problems than a normal GT. But also a lot more performance.

Also... the MSP is great, I really envy you guys for the extra performance.... but lets face it... its a cheap car. Mazda had to cut corners to bring that car to market at that price. What other manufacturer gives you a car with the same performance, all those cool "aftermarket" goodies, that "look", at that price point?? Something to consider... the RSX Type S is a great car, and no matter what you guys say, there will not be as many problems with that car if you leave it stock... probably NO problems at all in most cases. But it is not a limited production turbocharged car either, and if you do try to mod it, then you will have problems, just the the MSP. And the Spec V, I really love that car, it pulls great, its fast, and no turbo needed. But have you heard the problems they are having?? Engine failures... because the ceramic coating of the headers is flaking off and through some design flaw can be sucked back into the cylinder, scoring the cylinder walls and frying the rings or some s*** like that. Also, tranny failures... I looked at several used Spec Vs before buying my new MP5... 3 of the 5 of them had the trannys replaced and 2 had new engines... all at less that 30K miles. Thats why I didnt buy one.

As for Mazda quality, I have always been a die-hard Honda and Toyota fan... both legendary for reliability. I still stand by Honda, I never had a major problem with a Honda... I just dont love thier product line anymore. I do love the RSX, I just couldnt afford one, and a used Integra cost as much as my new P5. Our Celica is a nice car, but I have had enough niggling little issues to make me not LOVE it... just those cost saving things that allow them to sell that car as cheap as they do... same as Mazda. I havent heard of the MP5 having any suspension clunks, or coolant leaks. Of course we cant have a screeching turbo... but it seems pretty obvious that the other 2 problems are not really Mazda issues but specific problems with the aftermarket components Mazda chose to use, but didnt spend the money to re-engineer as well as factory designed parts are made. Should they have?? Yes, in my opinion, they should have. But then your MSP would have cost 3 or 4 grand more than it did... so everything is a trade off.

I just wish I had a turbo to have that problem with!

i agree with you completely, i actually perfer the way they did hte msp rather than in the factory.

the bushing do not go out after 3,000 miles i had 2 miles on my car and went out of the parkinglot hit a bump and bam, the clunk you DO NOT hear unless you hit a series of bumps or a major bump. i dunno if you've looked at the bushings that they took out of ur car, but they are not worn at all. now after 3 thousand miles they may appear worn to the new ones, just dirt and road grim, As far as i know the people that have replaced the bushings have not had the problem anymore. I know i haven't.

oh and btw, the only nifty thing i ever seen out of the saturn is that plastic doors, my friend at some car show they were letting ppl kick the doors as hard as they want and the side would push in and then pop out. well he kicked it and his foot went through the door, so you tell me? if someone can kick and their foot through the door u think thats very safe? i dont.
 
Ryan said:
As far as i know the people that have replaced the bushings have not had the problem anymore. I know i haven't.

Ah...add me to the list. Not even 3000 km's with the new replacement D's and they are starting to fail. Waaaay noticeable when it's raining out too; due to slippage.
 
hrm.. ur the first i have heard of with the new replacements maybe its ur area, cuz mine are fine, maybe when i move down to knoxville they'll fail but they've been fine for over 6k in miles for me.
 
Ryan said:
hrm.. ur the first i have heard of with the new replacements maybe its ur area, cuz mine are fine, maybe when i move down to knoxville they'll fail but they've been fine for over 6k in miles for me.

who knows....the temperature in Winnipeg this past summer has been pretty hot (with day's in the 90's) and humid.

I don't beat the crap out of the car either; nor do I Auto-X it. The roads are most likely in much poorer condition due to our winters, than yours.
 
Ryan said:
hrm.. ur the first i have heard of with the new replacements maybe its ur area, cuz mine are fine, maybe when i move down to knoxville they'll fail but they've been fine for over 6k in miles for me.

His is far from being the first to clunk, again. Do a search you will find many more.
 
smart enuf to put it on ur smart enuf

how about you speak proper english so i can follow this thread you nitwit...

im sure these guys dont mind a one time fix, but im sure it gets old driving a loner car every other month while the dealership fixes ANOTHER problem...
 
Thats true... but at least Mazda has loaner cars... our Toyota doesnt offer that, its a pain in the ass getting to and from the dealer
 
i know that my speed is pissing me off . from a cold start in the morinig the car kicks ass for about 15 minutes then after it heats up it runs like an f'n gremlin above 3.5k rpm. living in so cal i get no relief from the heat so im stuck. i took it to the dealer told them the problem and they said they couldnt find any thing wrong. F' those assholes at the dealer. if mazda dosent fix the problem soon im gonna trade in my speed and get an srt-4 or a civic type r if they come out. Im fed up with that hesitation bs.:mad:
 
Sounds like a lot of you should have waited till the 2003.5's came out. Any new car is going to have problems, especially in its first year of production. Why b**** and moan when its under warantee. Just bring it up to the dealership and have them look at it. You have a warantee on the drivetrain for 5 years...unless you went out and voided your warantee....then I would also be pissed.


Also, what is this hesitation crap you guys are talking about? DO you mean Turbo Lag? If so, a lot of publications noted this and didnt see it as a problem. If your looking for a racecar, get a McLaren, if your looking for a nice pocket rocket car with a sub 20k price tag....get a MSP
 
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acelesson said:
Sounds like a lot of you should have waited till the 2003.5's came out. Any new car is going to have problems, especially in its first year of production. Why b**** and moan when its under warantee. Just bring it up to the dealership and have them look at it. You have a warantee on the drivetrain for 5 years...unless you went out and voided your warantee....then I would also be pissed.


Also, what is this hesitation crap you guys are talking about? DO you mean Turbo Lag? If so, a lot of publications noted this and didnt see it as a problem. If your looking for a racecar, get a McLaren, if your looking for a nice pocket rocket car with a sub 20k price tag....get a MSP

No it is not turbo lag - it often hesitates under FULL boost. Do a search and you'll find a TON of info on it.

Waiting for a 2003.5 would not have did any good since those have the exact same problems, and the warranty (so far) does 0 good for the hesitation because Mazda doesn't have a fix for it and the stealerships often don't even recognize that it is a problem. Hence all of the frustration and (bicker)
 

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