Sometimes I Just Want to Slap Mazda

[Street KingFD]

Ok so on the way back from Houston to San Antonio my gf leaves the toll booth pretty hard and we get this damn screeching noise around 4.5k rpms and up. I own a turbo RX7 and have driven many turbo cars and NO this isn't a turbo whine so I don't want some one trying to pull the wool over my eyes. The first time I heard it, I knew it was oil starvation.

So I'am taking the car down to Mazda this weekend. I'am seriously pissed. We bought a new 2003 car not a lemon. None of these problems should be happening, no ******* clunk, no ******* hesitation, and no ******* turbo screeching! If I hear them trying to tell me that it's normal turbo noise, I'am taking them for a ride in my FD to show them how a turbo is supposed to whine, then go ballistic on them.

We're seriously considering taking a loss on this car and getting a RSX Type S that we were looking at. At least they can get a damn bushing that won't clunk and put enough research into their cars so they come built well.

I'am worried Mazda won't do anything for us just because I know how Mazda is, it's ok I'll make their life a living hell from now on if they don't. Sorry guys this is a great looking car, fun to drive but cmon put your pride aside, how much stuff will you put with before you say you've had it? I have an rx7 so I know what it's like to put up with problems but at least my RX7 treats me to some serious performance.

Sorry guys, none of these problems should exist and you guys shouldn't put up with it either. :bs: I will report back on this next week.

 

[Kenetix]

Well, I just had my car at the dealers today and they had to replace rear AND front bushings. Other than that, a coolant leak - not worried about. And to me the hesitation is a dead issue once you raise the boost. I'm completely happy with my car, and would buy another one, no questions asked. Infact, I'm looking at selling my GSL-SE to get a blue Mazdaspeed. I love the car.

 

[unwrittenLaw]

Yes, Mazda does need to be b****-slapped from time to time...

 

[Kenetix]

At least the engine doesnt catch on fire *cough cough* Focus *cough cough*

 

[unwrittenLaw]

lol

 

[girth]

I completely agree Street King. Keep us updated on what the stealership tells you. The simple fact is, it's total and complete :bs: that some of these problems exist with the MSP. How on God's green Earth any group of engineers can release a car that runs so rich is beyond me -- it completely defies common sense and any reasonable explaination. And the clunk, and coolant leak are pathetic as well. And now to hear about problems with them bolting on the world's smallest turbo is just amazing! The only thing that they got right was something they had very little to do with -- the handling. Oh, and they got the looks right, so I'll give them credit there. But these problems are just frustrating as hell because they're so BASIC.:mad:

 

[KyRaceFan]

I completely agree Street King. Keep us updated on what the stealership tells you. The simple fact is, it's total and complete :bs: that some of these problems exist with the MSP. How on God's green Earth any group of engineers can release a car that runs so rich is beyond me -- it completely defies common sense and any reasonable explaination. And the clunk, and coolant leak are pathetic as well. And now to hear about problems with them bolting on the world's smallest turbo is just amazing! The only thing that they got right was something they had very little to do with -- the handling. Oh, and they got the looks right, so I'll give them credit there. But these problems are just frustrating as hell because they're so BASIC.:mad:

I agree, the car shouldnt have problems.. get over them, their minor and the car is wonderful.
Its rich to protect the motor from blowing up under boost. They took an otherwise stock protege motor, and turbo'd it. If it runs lean at all, its going to blow up. Dont tell me they mis-engineered it, they made it safe, overly safe, so it can be daily driven, and they dont get ***** on warranty.
Clunk- yea they cut a corner and put on a bad bushing... i havent noticed it.. they didnt cut corners many other places, and if its fixed hassle free.. then deal with it and get it fixed, instead of bitching.
Tiniest Turbo- try again.. look at vdub turbo.. the k03 is ultra tiny!
Turbo "Screech" - Mine screeches at 4500, its called a wastegate venting all the excess boost. If your'e so into cars, then you know what im talking about, and the wastegate probably just sounds like that.
And if its not the wastegate, then its just the way our turbo sounds under full spool, remember its spinning at 100k+rpms, its gonna make some noise, and if you think its oil starvation, get an oil pressure gauge and look it up..,
Or its just the airflow system..sucking air through pipes makes noise.

 

[Street KingFD]

Its rich to protect the motor from blowing up under boost. They took an otherwise stock protege motor, and turbo'd it. If it runs lean at all, its going to blow up. Dont tell me they mis-engineered it, they made it safe, overly safe, so it can be daily driven, and they dont get ***** on warranty.

If it was enginered perfectly, why is Mazda looking into re-flashing the ECU's, it's because a car ISN'T supposed to hesitate. They thought they could get by on this one until many people spoke up. No I won't settle for this problem as minor. Isn't this car supposed to be mild performance car, well I'am not going to wait for performance till 4.5k rpm.

Clunk- yea they cut a corner and put on a bad bushing... i havent noticed it.. they didnt cut corners many other places, and if its fixed hassle free.. then deal with it and get it fixed, instead of bitching.

So now it's ok to cut a corner, could they cut corners on your seat belts and maybe the air bags too? I will say that I have a very small clunk and sometimes it isn't there but on a new car? I expect this on a 100k mile car that the bushings are going out, not when I dropped that much money on a new car. Exactly how is it fixed? Mazda STILL doesn't know what to do. Ask how many people go in and get new bushings every 2-3k miles only to have them clunk again every 2-3k miles.

Tiniest Turbo- try again.. look at vdub turbo.. the k03 is ultra tiny!

I have no problem with the size of the turbo, doesn't bother me.

Turbo "Screech" - Mine screeches at 4500, its called a wastegate venting all the excess boost. If your'e so into cars, then you know what im talking about, and the wastegate probably just sounds like that.

You must work at mazda or something. I know what a wastegate sounds like, you want to hear mine? I'am pretty sure a tiny T-25 has reached it's HUGE amount of 6 psi by 4.5k rpm's so NO IT IS NOT MY WASTEGATE. No wastegate has ever sounded like that, ever, this is like a baby seal being clubbed to death. This isn't air sound from a lose clamp, torn IC hose, or anything. It sounds like metal on metal which makes me think the turbos are starving for oil in the higher RPM range. How about you come look it up for me. I just paid for a new car so THEY'RE going to look it up not me. If you really think this is air, you must be pretty far up the chain at Mazda.

 

[chwood]

wow, somebody needs a hug.

It's called ad hominem and its a common logical fallacy.

Common or not though, it still makes you look silly.

 

[Matthew]

the car is wonderful

Right, you gotta be ******* kidding me! This must be your first car. I thought my first car, an '88 Grand Prix with 145k miles, was wonderful. This must also be your first experience with a turbo also. Turbos or any of their related parts should not sound like a damn baby seal being clubbed. I'm with you Street King - my second car was an '88 Rex-7 Turbo II, and it never made a noise like that, AND it was damn near 10 years old! Anyways, KY, if it's so great, tell me why lots of dealerships REFUSE to even carry the damn car? you cant buy one around here without driving into texas.

yea they cut a corner and put on a bad bushing

:wtf: I think by reading all the posts from people like Street King, and Tease, and many others, that the production of this car cut so many corners, its total :bs: ! After the dealership told me all the problems Mazda was having with the MSP I decided not to wait for it, and bought my MP5 instead. Then, the dealership turned around and decided not to carry them at all due to the problems they were getting sent down from Mazda corporate (memos, emails, etc). What would the dealership have to lie about? You either get a MP5, 6, Miata, or RX8 around here...they dont even have the brochures for the speed up anymore.

Turbo "Screech" - Mine screeches at 4500

(lol) I think you should take yours in to be looked at as well...dont worry, when they tell you that

at the dealership, you can still come on this board and rant and rave about all these people that have spent around 20k on a brand new car and "b****" about it not acting like a brand new car should.

Thread jack - lets see some pics of your rex7 street king

 

[chwood]

lol

yep, its SUCH a pos

(hand)

 

[Matthew]

i dont know if i would call it a POS, but definately a flawed piece of machinary that hopefully will be fixed

 

[chwood]

(shrug)

yeah, I'd love to see these issues go away, but since no one (despite the above assured insistence) has demonstrably shown that ALL of our turbos are having oil issues, I can deal with the relatively minor irritations of the clunk and the hesitation.

The clunk is a minor annoyance at best (esp with the radio on).
The "stumble" and the "hesitation" are a bigger issue, but a.) there MIGHT actually be a fix from Mazda on this (fingers crossed) and b.) most people are here are going to be mod'ing their car anyway, which would include (you would think, considering the low stock PSI) upping the boost (which all but eliminates these problems).

I still love the MSP DESPITE these concerns.

I'd just love it more w/out them.

 

[Street KingFD]

(shrug)

yeah, I'd love to see these issues go away, but since no one (despite the above assured insistence) has demonstrably shown that ALL of our turbos are having oil issues, I can deal with the relatively minor irritations of the clunk and the hesitation.

The clunk is a minor annoyance at best (esp with the radio on).
The "stumble" and the "hesitation" are a bigger issue, but a.) there MIGHT actually be a fix from Mazda on this (fingers crossed) and b.) most people are here are going to be mod'ing their car anyway, which would include (you would think, considering the low stock PSI) upping the boost (which all but eliminates these problems).

I still love the MSP DESPITE these concerns.

I'd just love it more w/out them.

It's not that this car is such a POS cause I really truely do love this car I just wish mazda went over it with a fine tooth comb before releasing it to the public. I can deal with the clunk but the hesitation needs to be fixed, as long as I know they are working on the fix and it will be out soon, then that's fine no biggy. The stereo has never turned off and the sub still works great. The thing that really pist me off is the oil starvation if it is indeed that. That can cause seriouse damage to the turbo. It's not like they are going to replace the turbo for me, I'am sure they will change the lines and clamps and make sure it's flowing good but the damage has been done already, this is why it bothers me so much. I just hope future MSP's or any mazda product will come with better quality, like the Miata.

 

[jred321]

It's not like they are going to replace the turbo for me,

if you get a good tech who knows what they're doing they will, and it should be covered under warranty. even if they don't replace it right now and just do lines, etc..., it will probably grenade before the warranty is up if it doesn't get enough oil and it will be replaced then.

 

[chwood]

no kidding -

if turbo = damaged b/c of manuf error, new turbo = free, ESPECIALLY if they find a prob and do a partial fix early on b/c that verifies the existence of the issue early on

I wouldn't sweat it in regard to the turbo dying, the dilemma would be IF the turbo DOES die, do you go back to mazda for another t25, or go straight to t28 or t3....

hmmm......

 

[funnylittlman]

Oh well

That's all I gotta say. since this is my 1st turbo, I don't know what a normal whistle sounds like or if I have this dreaded oil starvation issue. With my luck w/ this car, I'm sure I have every issue there is, but who the fizuck cares now.. I'm just gonna drive it till it blows

WARRANTY BABY !

 

[Matthew]

you hope

 

[funnylittlman]

LOL Tell me about it!

 

[Newf]

I don't think half of you know what the clunk is yet imho.

Personally, I'd take a little hesitation over the damn clunk anyday. At least the my passengers can't notice that hesitation. whereas the clunk, at it's worse, i can't even yell over it it's that loud. You feel it in your feet,, in your seat, and arse....everywhere....bang bang bang. Sounds literally like the sway bar is hanging off and hitting everything underneath.

When you get the clunk at it's worse....you'll know...trust me, you'll know, and the hesitation will seem extremely minor at best. Lets say I don't miss driving the mp3 at all.

Regardless, either shouldn't happen. They tried to tell me at 1st it was due to the high end suspension and was a characteristic of the car bla bla yadda yadda.....ok, so why is it that every other sports car in the world doesn't have it huh???? tell me that huh??? MAzda f'n assholes.

.....don't get me started