Some Paint Perspective

[Antonio DiMarco]

I saw this thread on the Bimmer forum and figured I'd share just so those who have said Mazda Paint has problems knows that it's not only Mazda who is having issues with the new water-based paint processes.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1035261


FYI, I recently had my front and rear bumpers repainted. My rear end had been hit by an ass texting on his cell so I decided to have the shop repaint the front nose as well. The shop did a FANTASTIC job blending the panels and the car looked like new. BUT less than a month later I already have a new chip on the nose! So it looks like it's an issue with paint chemistry rather than cheap quality paint.

My 04's paint held up so much better!

 

[BOOSTR]

I don't think that theory holds water, no pun intended. The computer controlled robot spraying the paint does not care about avoiding the orange peel effect and mass manufacturers are not going to take the time to avoid it and correct it. The paint is applied thin on these cars no doubt about it and most new cars suffer the same condition. As for your refinish issue the shop may have cut corners in their spray process or you simply came in contact with the right size object.

 

[FrequentFlyer]

Yeah, this new paint sucks, although the paint on my '99 Miata sucked too and that was 10 years ago, so maybe it's more of a Mazda thing. What's bad about Bimmers is that they pay EXTRA for most of their colors. It costs $500-600 for a metallic or pearl paint.

 

[justanothermp5]

jeez peel off the clear with your fingernail? i dont think the mazdas paint is that bad
at least not on my p5, i havent had a problem with the paint yet, no rusting, no orange peel or anything like that

i will agree that it is really thin paint, my front bumper doesnt even look blue anymore up close, the sand and rocks blasted most of the paint away over the years..oh well im repainting it an acura red, hopefully it will last longer lol

 

[ForceFed]

I am not aware that new car Manufacturers are using Water based paints yet.

DO you have info on this.
I don't think that Mazda is using Water based yet.

I am getting ready to start using Water based in some of my side projects where we are going to do graphics and need a long window to be able to work on the projectg slowly ans still have all the time needed in the world to clear.

Water based only applies to the Basecoat anyway....the Clear used is still a Solvent based liquid which is what provides the protection for the water based base coat.
So...It will still be just a tuff and standard based base coats.

I think this problem still lies in the application process by the manufacturers.

 

[NCZ13]

just want to point out that all factory finishes have orange peel. For some cars its worse than others. mazdas ive found arent to bad... as compared to say several dodges ive seen to where the finish was heavily dulled by the orange peeled finish. which is unacceptable on a new car

 

[RADAR THIS]

just a FYI...and toyota is working on a black paint right now...Warm/Hot water will cure scratches/swirl marks...the article was in money magazine...

 

[Hank3]

I just came from a Subaru of six years and its paint quality was pretty much subpar - and that goes for the '08 WRXs and STIs. I had nicks and chips regularly. I personally don't think my MS3 will be any worse. I'll be surprised if it is. But we shall see...

 

[ThrillRide]

just a FYI...and toyota is working on a black paint right now...Warm/Hot water will cure scratches/swirl marks...the article was in money magazine...

Can you be a little more descriptive? I don't have access to that article. How will warm/hot water cure scratches and swirls?

 

[Nismothecat]

Nissan has done this too. thier paint will repair it self in a few days as long as the scratch is not too deep.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=811

 

[NCZ13]

that doesnt make it a flawless finish however.

I can see that it will repair extremely light marks (super extreme) but it wont repair itself to a swirl free finish.