so what's the deal...

[prlinding]

a4 3.0? apples to oranges....
audi's muscle comes in the form of an S4 and it sells at the 50 mark. and audi is the volkies upper class car. talk about the jetta gli and maybe we'll have a conversation about whether spending that kind of money for that little power is worth it.

 

[JOS3]

if you say so, but one tends to wonder if below your own name it says flippin idiot, how much credibility you can have when trying to make a statement.

obviously you're the idiot without a sense of humor if you honestly think that its a reference to my own intelligence.

it'll sell no question. but when editors of reputable magazines and who know how to drive like the ones over at motor trend and car and driver and road and track all wonder if all of the bells and whistles are worth it, i will agree. one editor even said maybe Zoom-Zoom should be spelled with a lower case "z" but theyre idiots too right?

allow me to post parts of that same article from car and driver magazine to help your feeble mind grasp what ive been trying to explain to you for the last 2 pages of this thread. this is the very first 2 paragraphs of the article:

"The specs-274 horsepower, 280 pound-feet of torque, all-wheel drive, 3500 pounds-suggest that the bad boy sedan class will soon be a trio: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and Mazdaspeed6. Not so fast, says Mazda, a caution that may be quite literal. This warmed-up mid-size sedan figures to be the hottest four door the company has ever offered, but its creators are quick to point out that the program objectives are broader than mere hard-edged performance. Think Subaru Legacy GT, or Acura TL.

'We didnt want to do one of those off-the-rally-route-and-onto-the-street type of cars,' said Peter Birtwhistle, a man who helped write the mission statement. He's chief of Mazda's advanced design studio in germany..."

so again, when you compare it to the evo or sti, it doesnt seem worth it. compare it to the TL or Legacy and its a different story when you consider the TL is $6,000 more. also consider that the mazdaspeed 6 is only about $3,000 more than a well equiped 6s. i would also like to point out (and it states it in the article) that they only drove a prototype ms6 for 6 laps for that article. they say a full review will come later when they test a production ms6 in the spring.

 

[JOS3]

a4 3.0? apples to oranges....
audi's muscle comes in the form of an S4 and it sells at the 50 mark. and audi is the volkies upper class car. talk about the jetta gli and maybe we'll have a conversation about whether spending that kind of money for that little power is worth it.

little power?!?! its 276 hp!! you drive a ******* p5 with 130hp (as do i)!?! how can you say its little power? you still have yet to make a valid point becasue you have none. so until you do i suggest you **** off and go b**** about something else. like maybe how the stock p5 tires suck in the snow.

 

[prlinding]

i didnt buy a 130 p5 thinking i was going to blow everything away.i bought a motorcycle for that. i bought a p5 because i was going to have kid. i did a little dressing up to make it look nice because its a sharp looking car. oh, and the stock tires on a p5 really do suck in the winter. and i did buy it cuz i felt it was the best 130 hp car on the market. UNLIKE a 274 hp mps. which is a slug compared to other 270+hp cars. what is a better 130hp car that the p5? corolla? no. focus? no. civic? i just dont like civics. its the best thing mazdaspeed has come up with at this point, but it has still fallen short IN MY OPPINION, in its stock form, and hopefully the mz3speed will fair a million times better. 300c auto....faster, same price maybe not with all the options but better looking and rear wheel drive. they brought a knife to a gun fight. it does look better than a legacy. and its cheaper than an acura. but acura owners are fiercely loyal. there are too many cars available in the 25k-30k market to show up better than half. thats what the 6i and 6s are for, not the mps. mitsubishi is ******* up too with their galant its coming out with a 260hp version and it sucks, the altima se-r? just as stupid @ 260hp. so in this case against THOSE cars it fairs a lot better than who they (mazda) claim they're going after. mitsu 10yr warr. kinda hard to pass up providing its still in business 2015.

 

[madmerv]

Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track

We still have no build date or serial number, but I bug my daeler weekly, just to keep them looking for it.....

"Mad" Merv

 

[genericuser]

yeesh.. this thread got evil really fast.. (flame2)
lets take it easy here!!

until one of us test drives an ms6, its all just blind speculation. I'm looking forward to my test drive. (rockon)

 

[crossbow]

Just make sure to budget about 1200-1400 USD for better wheels/tires for the MPS 6, and it'll be fine.

Photos confirm it was just mazda's stupidity that made them put stupidly thin wheels/tires on the car...and if you roll the fenders, you will be able to fit rather wide tires/wheels on the car. 17x8's with 235/45/17's would be a nice start.

I would really reconsider preordering one though...average loss on mazdaspeeds is 6-7k in the first 6 months. Just waiting saves you an absolute shitload in mod money!

6 months after the car comes out, the rebates and incentives will hit, and everyone who preordered or bought one before test driving will sit there and cry, realizing they wasted a good 8000 USD they could have been spending on mods for the car.

 

[JOS3]

i didnt buy a 130 p5 thinking i was going to blow everything away.i bought a motorcycle for that. i bought a p5 because i was going to have kid. i did a little dressing up to make it look nice because its a sharp looking car. oh, and the stock tires on a p5 really do suck in the winter. and i did buy it cuz i felt it was the best 130 hp car on the market. UNLIKE a 274 hp mps. which is a slug compared to other 270+hp cars. what is a better 130hp car that the p5? corolla? no. focus? no. civic? i just dont like civics. its the best thing mazdaspeed has come up with at this point, but it has still fallen short IN MY OPPINION, in its stock form, and hopefully the mz3speed will fair a million times better. 300c auto....faster, same price maybe not with all the options but better looking and rear wheel drive. they brought a knife to a gun fight. it does look better than a legacy. and its cheaper than an acura. but acura owners are fiercely loyal. there are too many cars available in the 25k-30k market to show up better than half. thats what the 6i and 6s are for, not the mps. mitsubishi is ******* up too with their galant its coming out with a 260hp version and it sucks, the altima se-r? just as stupid @ 260hp. so in this case against THOSE cars it fairs a lot better than who they (mazda) claim they're going after. mitsu 10yr warr. kinda hard to pass up providing its still in business 2015.

ok, im done. obviously you are moron because you are still trying to compare the ms6 to other cars that are aimed at younger buyers (evo, sti, ralliart, altima se-r, etc). THE MS6 IS NOT AIMED AT YOUNG BUYERS. wtf is wrong with you that you cant comprehend that?

btw, the 300C, better looking? i hardly think so.

Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track

finally, someone who gets it.

 

[JOS3]

Just make sure to budget about 1200-1400 USD for better wheels/tires for the MPS 6, and it'll be fine.

Photos confirm it was just mazda's stupidity that made them put stupidly thin wheels/tires on the car...and if you roll the fenders, you will be able to fit rather wide tires/wheels on the car. 17x8's with 235/45/17's would be a nice start.

I would really reconsider preordering one though...average loss on mazdaspeeds is 6-7k in the first 6 months. Just waiting saves you an absolute shitload in mod money!

6 months after the car comes out, the rebates and incentives will hit, and everyone who preordered or bought one before test driving will sit there and cry, realizing they wasted a good 8000 USD they could have been spending on mods for the car.

i totally agree. i hate the wheels and it would be better to wait a few months than to preorder it.

 

[madmerv]

i totally agree. i hate the wheels and it would be better to wait a few months than to preorder it.

Too late...mine is "in the queue", and I'm glad.... (k) and ready to (drive)

:mad: Merv

 

[prlinding]

Quote:
Originally Posted by madmerv
Say what you want, but it's the car that I want. Being older than most of you guys, I don't need to prove anything to anyone, and I want a nice comfy family car that handles almost as well as a Miata or RX. I bet I get less tickets in this sleeper, too! As I said before, our MSP and Mazda6 are both great cars, albeit in a different light. This one is gonna be the best of both. I will give you a first-hand evaluation when mine arrives. Probably biased, but "real world" and even some time on the track

protejay5 says

finally, someone who gets it.

wrong again....

so the miata and rx handle badly? can you say understeer? you agree with someone who agrees with you...

im not by myself in this argument a lot of people are dissapointed with the outcome thats why you feel like you have to defend it. when i read earlier in this thread that people are sick and tired of people bashing mazdaspeed its because YOU dont get it. people buy what they want. i wont say your dumb because you bought it. you can do what you want with your money. if you think that the mps is better than a 300c you must be joking, because i can put money on the mps never making a car of the year on any magazine.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

if you think that the mps is better than a 300c you must be joking, because i can put money on the mps never making a car of the year on any magazine.

the chevy vega and ford thunderbird made Car of the Year in the same magazine that called the ghetto brick on dub wheels 300c Car of the Year. The retro-new thunderbird was a worthless car that will fade from production this year and the Vega's body and aluminum engine fell apart at 20,000 miles. I can put money on Chrysler's infamous lack of quality getting the 300 back in the shop early and often after 50,000 miles having owned plenty of them. Every magazine on earth could call that Car of Year and i wouldn't so much as test drive one. the "magazine car of the year" argument is the weakest you've yet made.

as for all those "stupid cars" that don't make car of the year? they will probably sell, and sell plenty, regardless of your disappointment and opinion. in your educated expert mind, what exactly is the problem with the altima se-R?

 

[prlinding]

the ugliest 18 wheels ive ever seen, 10hp, and a six speed tranny why bother calling it se-r? just make them options.

 

[Dexter]

**** off.

 

[prlinding]

suck my dick

 

[Dexter]

watch out, i bite.

 

[prlinding]

i wouldnt doubt it, ***.

 

[Dexter]

Haha, your car is slow.

 

[ChiMSP]

---> other dude(fight)<--- Dex

 

[prlinding]

yup it sure is, but you arent quicker than my bike.