so i went to look @ the 370z

[SwampAss]

here is what i just pulled from nada for my car
08 gt w/18k miles

Base Price $15,050 $16,250 $17,225 $20,150
------------ rough -- average-- clean--- retail

KBB

Excellent
$16,650

Good
$15,750

Fair
$14,150


While it's still under what was offered, I suspect they were trying to make you feel good by knocking money off MSRP. It all comes out of the same pot, so really, you were probably paying MSRP on the 370Z and getting good trade for your car.

Dealers use NADA to sell you a used car and KBB to screw you on trades.

 

[Wholemilk]

i traded my 350z in and i miss it everyday, its no 370z but it was sex on wheels for me. i loved the car...i honestly dont know what i was thinking. dont get me wrong i love my ms3 but if i had a choice i'd get the 370z or another 350. 370z look so much wider which gives it the extra sex look over the 350 imo. but 13.5 for your car? i would've walked away as well. its one thing to low ball but for them to only offer 1k more than 12.5? pfft get outta here thats highway robbery.

 

[240ka]

I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't use Edmunds, road and track, car and driver etc. as a definate source, the manufactures give them a slightly tweaked car and a little extra cash to enhance their story.

and thats not always true

actaully i would and do use them simply b/c their numbers are always conservative and not inflated.

people in the real world always best magazine times

 

[CHICO2003]

NADA, KBB and even Edmunds are a joke when it comes to their so-called 'values'. They're basically telling you what you want to hear. Look around those sites next time you're on them. Notice any advertisements? Galves is the only legitimate resource. It pulls data from actual sales not thin air. Those sites above are merely looking for advertising revenue. When's the last time ANYONE ever got what those sites say their car is worth? Usually you'll find a printout on their window with the price crossed out and an asking price far lower. They're trying to imply you're getting a deal but, in reality, the online hack sites were inflated to begin with. Unless they're going to buy your car, those prices mean jack s***.

 

[Wholemilk]

kbb and other sites dont take into account for processing fees, premiums and other things dealers have to pay when they take your car in. those sites will always bump up the actual price but they dont know exactly what your cars condition is. unfortunatly CHICO2003 is right, those sites wont help you in the real world.

 

[Kain]

Instead of flipping cars every couple of years and eating thousands in depreciation over and over again, just stick with one until it's not worth fixing.

 

[ElGaspo]

370z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MS3

Yeah, and $35k >>>> $24k. apples to apples, man.

 

[stageup]

KBB

Excellent
$16,650

Good
$15,750

Fair
$14,150


While it's still under what was offered, I suspect they were trying to make you feel good by knocking money off MSRP. It all comes out of the same pot, so really, you were probably paying MSRP on the 370Z and getting good trade for your car.

Dealers use NADA to sell you a used car and KBB to screw you on trades.

oh i got the quote a month before i went in, the quote was 31,419+ ttl
which is about 2500 under msrp

when i went in they tried to put down the msrp on the worksheet and i'm like no man, the quote i got was 31,419 from the fleet manager, they verified and said ok. that was when they pulled the 12.5k trade in and i lmao'd.

i expected to be lowballed to ~15k and was hoping for ~16k. it had been about 2 weeks since i got the trade in quotes from mitsubishi and lexus of 16.5 ish and i figured it would go down 500 in that time frame.

they also tried to screw me on financing. i know my fico, and roughly what my auto enhanced fico is. they gave me a rate of 8.99, i said no thx, they quickly went to 6.99 and thats the best they could do. again i said no thx, i am financing thru my CU for 4.98%, i'm going thru them. they came back again with 5.99 which is the lowest nissan house financing is on the Z.

i'm sure they will have no problems selling it, which is probably why they lowballed so much. there's hardly any manual Z's around, and on top of that it's hard to find a base w/ sport package since i had to wait 3 mos for it haha

so they buyers market in cars at least in this case, was countered by the rarity of the car/options. i understand that. (laugh)

 

[SwampAss]

Instead of flipping cars every couple of years and eating thousands in depreciation over and over again, just stick with one until it's not worth fixing.

that's not the american way111!1

 

[Knox Joe]

on top of that. im tired of peope saying our cars are faster than 350z's stock or with intake. we are not. we are slower than DE 350z's let alone Rev UPs and especially HR's. stock i didnt stand a chance. with intake. at 2nd gear roll i would jump on my boys in his 04 350z by a car and pull another half. by mid 4th(my car) gear he stopped me from pulling and started gaining. by the time im in 5th gear. hes closing the gap and by 120-125 hes caught me and coming around me. people in MS3's lightly modded racing and beating people in DE 350z's even are racing people who cant drive their Z. even with intake, bov, tp and turbo inlet. i could still only hold him off for so long before he comes back around me on the top end not to mention hes in 5th by the time he passes me and has one whole gear left. the VQ's topend is nasty. i know. i use to have a G35.

hmmmm..... I keep up with a Greddy TT 350Z that my buddy's performance shop has, and I only have a measly MSP.

 

[Kain]

that's not the american way111!1

America... **** YEAH!

 

[mr_mazda329]

hmmmm..... I keep up with a Greddy TT 350Z that my buddy's performance shop has, and I only have a measly MSP.

Most boosted Z's i've seen arent that quick and usually get their but whooped. Not by an MS3, but other cars.

 

[SwampAss]

hmmmm..... I keep up with a Greddy TT 350Z that my buddy's performance shop has, and I only have a measly MSP.

Either your MSP is putting down serious numbers or the TT 350 isn't right. My friend has a Greddy TT 350 and it eats my lunch. (389 RWHP tuned @ 7psi)

 

[kvndoom]

Instead of flipping cars every couple of years and eating thousands in depreciation over and over again, just stick with one until it's not worth fixing.

Keep what you got, pay it off (or down), sell it or Carmax it, and then get what you want. In two years there will be plenty of low-mileage used 370's out there for you to choose from. Let somebody else pay the depreciation on the Z, and you enjoy what you have for a while longer.

Haste makes waste, but patience pays dividends.

 

[240ka]

Yeah, and $35k >>>> $24k. apples to apples, man.

what does that have to do with anything. we are talking about speed but the money directly correlates to class and performance of the car.

so even when it comes to price for what you get. 35k>>>>>24K

 

[240ka]

hmmmm..... I keep up with a Greddy TT 350Z that my buddy's performance shop has, and I only have a measly MSP.

then something was awfully wrong with that car. dont fool yourself

id be suprised if your msp can even keep up with my car

 

[Knox Joe]

Either your MSP is putting down serious numbers or the TT 350 isn't right. My friend has a Greddy TT 350 and it eats my lunch. (389 RWHP tuned @ 7psi)

14 psi, alky injection, full bolt ons, except I'm on the stock turbo, and stock intake (stock motor!). Now I said keep up, I can't pull him, but he doesn't put more than a length or two on me, and most of the time it depends who hits it first.

Nothing wrong with the car, he owns a performance shop here that just built a 900whp Evo.

then something was awfully wrong with that car. dont fool yourself

id be suprised if your msp can even keep up with my car

I can walk my MS6 hard in my MSP.(shrug)

 

[240ka]

so can i. MS6's are slow.

i can run with a my buddies MS3 who has all the same mods as me plus DP, FPI's and step colder plugs

my car has always been on the "freak" side

 

[stageup]

Keep what you got, pay it off (or down), sell it or Carmax it, and then get what you want. In two years there will be plenty of low-mileage used 370's out there for you to choose from. Let somebody else pay the depreciation on the Z, and you enjoy what you have for a while longer.

Haste makes waste, but patience pays dividends.

yea i will just pay my car off this year, and see what is out there in a year
now to AP or not (naughty)

 

[Knox Joe]

my car has always been on the "freak" side

lol, almost every car I have owned has been a factory freak. My old 5.0 that was basically stock outran SS Camaros, and it shouldn't have. My 89' Dodge Daytona shelby outran Mustang GTs, and it shouldn't have. Maybe that's why my MSP runs how it does. (shrug)

Truthfully though, I have a some weight reduction on the MSP, and on high boost I'd imagine it's putting down some good WHP numbers for the weight.