Side Crash Test Results

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Many small cars fail crash test
Side-impact results not `acceptable' in 11 out of 13 vehicles


By Rick Popely
Tribune staff reporter
Published March 7, 2005

Eleven of 13 small cars, including six with side air bags, fared poorly in side-impact crash tests conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

The Chevrolet Cobalt and Toyota Corolla, when equipped with optional side air bags, were the only 2005 models to earn "acceptable" ratings, the institute's second highest. Without the air bags, both were rated "poor" for side crashes.

Cobalt, a new model for 2005, was rated "good," the institute's highest rating, for front and rear crashes. The Corolla was judged "good" for front impacts but "poor" for rear crashes.

Cars rated "poor" in side-impact test results released Monday were the Dodge Neon, Ford Focus, Hyundai Elantra, Kia Spectra, Mazda3, Mitsubishi Lancer, Nissan Sentra, Saturn Ion, Suzuki Aerio and Forenza, and Volkswagen Beetle.

The Elantra, Spectra, Ion, Aerio, Forenza and Beetle fared poorly despite having side air bags.

Institute President Brian O'Neill said the devices still improve head protection and cited weak structures or poor interior designs that allowed torso injuries for the poor performance of cars with the side bags.

"There is absolutely no question that you must have side air bags with head protection in such a crash," O'Neill said. "Otherwise, your head is naked. Everything else being equal, you will benefit from side-curtain air bags."

In the institute's test, a 3,300-pound barrier that simulates the front of a sport-utility vehicle or pickup truck crashes into the side of a vehicle. The barrier is taller than the one used in the government's side test and is more likely to cause head injuries, which are measured on crash dummies.

The institute describes the side crash, conducted at 31 m.p.h., as a "severe test" likely to cause minor injuries even on cars rated "good," though it does not quantify the chances.

There is a "much higher likelihood" of severe or life-threatening injuries in a car rated "poor," spokesman Russ Rader said.

In the latest side crashes, Rader said fatal injuries were likely in the Neon, Sentra and Mazda3.

The institute called the Neon, which was tested without optional side air bags, "a disaster." The car sustained severe structural damage, and the heads of dummies seated in the front and rear were struck in the test, making it likely that live occupants would have been killed.

Neon was rated "marginal" for front crashes, the institute's second-lowest rating, and "poor" for rear collisions.

In a statement, the Chrysler Group said: "The Neon has performed well under a variety of internal and external test conditions, exceeding all federal safety standards for side-impact protection."

Chrysler spokesman Max Gates said that the Neon was introduced before the institute developed its side-impact test, from which it released results in 2003, and that production of the car ends later this year. The new Dodge Caliber will replace the Neon in the 2006 calendar year.

"[Neon] was designed six years ago, and the IIHS wasn't even doing this test at that time," Gates said. "Why would they test our vehicle when they know we have a new model coming?"

O'Neill said the institute, which is funded by and lobbies for major insurers, will delay a test for up to six months if a manufacturer advises that it is making significant changes that could affect the results. Chrysler, he said, did not indicate that for the Neon.

"There is no question that performance in our test is related to how recent the design is," O'Neill said. "But as far as the American public is concerned, the Neon is a new product."

The institute will test the Honda Civic, the best-selling small car, and the Mini Cooper and Subaru Impreza later this year after they undergo design changes.

In frontal crash tests released in December, the Kia Spectra was rated "poor." The Spectra was tested again after Kia revised the front air bags and was rated "acceptable."`
 
It doesn't say if they tested the Mazda with side air bags. Judging from this statement:
"The Elantra, Spectra, Ion, Aerio, Forenza and Beetle fared poorly despite having side air bags."
I'd say it didn't.
 
goldwing2000 said:
It doesn't say if they tested the Mazda with side air bags. Judging from this statement:
"The Elantra, Spectra, Ion, Aerio, Forenza and Beetle fared poorly despite having side air bags."
I'd say it didn't.

You are correct. The Mazda3 tested did not have side airbags. My guess is that a Mazda3 with side airbags would rate Marginal or Acceptable (I usually add a "star" or rating from standard tests when judging the impact of side airbags).

The reason why they didn't test a car with side airbags is that the IIHS does not buy vehicles with side airbags unless they are standard. If the manufacturer wants the IIHS to test a car with side airbags, it must provide the IIHS with a test vehicle. Both Chevy and Toyota did this.
 
One more reason why SUV's should not be on the road. I think US should have a tax like Europe and Japan where tax is based on the liter size of the engine. Kinda gotta pay to play thing for SUV drivers.
 
noclue119 said:
One more reason why SUV's should not be on the road.

That's crap. A study was done a while back regarding vehicle weights and crash impacts. They found that crash results were improved by decreasing SUV weight by 100 lbs. However, they also found that crash results improved tenfold by increasing the weight of the smaller vehicle by 100 pounds.

Don't blame the SUV, blame the coffee-drinking, cigarette-smoking, kid-yelling, head-up-their-ass soccer mom driving it.
 
U know why "However, they also found that crash results improved tenfold by increasing the weight of the smaller vehicle by 100 pounds." happens?

its because SUV are considered trucks and don't have to pass all the crash test as most cars. Most trucks don't have all the safty features as the smallers cars. The best example of this was a Mini vs a F150 at a 45 mph on a off-centered collision and the mini suffered very minor damage to passenager compartement where as the F150 had its front end destored and had the passenager compartment bent out of shape. But still the people always think heavier = safer, It use to be true because of the physics behind it(P=MV). But now-a-days, engineering is changing most of it. If i was going to get into a wreck, i'd want a car that weights just a much as a SUV and aim for the "the coffee-drinking, cigarette-smoking, kid-yelling, head-up-their-ass soccer mom driving it" because i wanna see how well the SUV hold up to a car of the same weight. Just my 2 Cents on SUV and their engineering.

But yes there are SUV that i do like. the CRV, Rav4 and a few others which puts safty of its passenager and the others a top priority.

*edit* almost forgot watch someone off a SUV and see what happens. I've see at least 2 cases where the SUV is swivirling to miss the car and ended up on its roof.
 
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All other factors being equal, heavier does equal safer. How many big rig drivers get killed or even injured in an accident with a car? Not bloody many.

The biggest factor in any collision is driver error. Regardless of what vehicle you drive, if you have your head so far up your ass that you're about to suffocate, then eventually you're going to cause an accident. What vehicle you're driving is more or less irrelevant.

On the subject of side-impact crashes, I'd venture to say that the higher off the ground you are, the better your chances of survival (again, with all other factors being equal). That's not even taking into account the increased visibility contributing to better accident avoidance.
 
I'm glad I paid the extra $750 for the airbags....SUV bumer hitting me in the head at 30mph doesnt sound like a Sunday drive for me
 
Unfortunately, Consumer Reports is yanking the Mazda3 from its Recommended list just because of the crash tests without side airbags. IMO, if they advocate side airbags, they should base ratings on crash tests with side airbags. (protest)

Kind of ironic that they made this decision the same day that I received my 2005 Auto Issue. The Mazda3 was rated well for reliability, fuel economy, and owner satisfaction. I think the Mazda is a good car and will continue to recommend it (I noticed that no other Mazda is recommended by CR) provided that it is equipped with side airbags.
 
that sucks that they changed their rating. the only reason i got a 3 is because of its exremely high rating.
 
goldwing2000 said:
All other factors being equal, heavier does equal safer. How many big rig drivers get killed or even injured in an accident with a car? Not bloody many.

The biggest factor in any collision is driver error. Regardless of what vehicle you drive, if you have your head so far up your ass that you're about to suffocate, then eventually you're going to cause an accident. What vehicle you're driving is more or less irrelevant.

On the subject of side-impact crashes, I'd venture to say that the higher off the ground you are, the better your chances of survival (again, with all other factors being equal). That's not even taking into account the increased visibility contributing to better accident avoidance.

"Several insurance industry officails describe SUVs as the neutron bombs of the American road - the pepole inside might be killed or seriously injured in a crash but the vehicle itself survived so the collisons insurance caost were low"

"The sheer size and height of SUVs might actually save money for inurers by killing other motoritsit who might survive if hit by a car"

"The soccer moms are everything and they drive SUVs"
Thease are from the book "High and Mighty: SUVs The worlds most dangerous vehicles and how they got that way by: Keith Bradsher
its a little over biased but has some good points
 
Sounds like Consumer Reports is going to be removing a lot of cars due to this test. Wasn't Volvo involved with this car? Aren't they the safety leaders? I wonder how their car based off the Mazda3 platform fares (or the euro focus)?

So if all vehicles were to reduce weight we would be better off. It seems that the problem is not really mass but the disparity in mass. I would think that height difference would play a factor as well. If your bumper is coming at my head or above the side bar in my door there will be problems.
 
Unfortunately for Mazda 3's here in Canada, side airbags are not even offered as optional equipment on any trim level.
 
Mazda3ofKent said:
the real problems is the soccer moms whit the screaming kids, and are not paying attention

That's exactly what I said earlier. (alright)
 
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