should I get a MSP?

derf

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sooo they're really discounted now.. the 03.5's...

and after reading all this i'm a little worried about the car. What are all of your opinions after you know about its problems, blown motors. upgrade potential etc.

the ads are sayin 15.5k to get one. and the one aroudn here has 5 on the lot.

just need opinions. i'm going to test drive one tomorrow.

any comparison to resonably priced cars in the same category? civic si, etc.

thanks all.. and yes.. i'm a noob.
 
for the money, yes i think the car is worth it...unless u plan to get monster whp and drag it only...i dont recommend it......
 
First ask yourself what you want from a car.

Do you want the fastest 0-60 & 1/4 mile time in its class? (not MSP)

Do you want the best handling in its class? (MSP)

Do you want a car that responds fairly well to mild bolt-on upgrades (MSP)

Do you want a car that's cheap to modify? (not MSP)

Do you want a car that looks good straight from the dealer (subjective, but definetely MSP)

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TEST DRIVE. If you drive the car, and fall in love with the way it accelerates, brakes, corners, rides, sounds....you have found your car. If there is something you don't like about it, make sure you drive every car you are able to afford.

NO CAR IS PERFECT. Don't expect to be 100% happy with your car. The point is to find the car that is as close to perfect as possible FOR YOU, AND YOU ALONE. Whatever anyone else says is irrelevant.
 
If you can deal with the problems that you will experience with it, it's a great deal right now.
 
It depends on what you're looking for.

I came from a Lexus LS400, so the initial change was a bit tough, and none of the issues showed up during the test drive.

The advantages certainly outweight the disadvantages at the discounted prices (I paid $15,900 for mine in the beginning of Oct).

Here's my 2 cents for you:
IF
-You want to mod this car to make it significantly faster, DO NOT BUY. It's not as easy as it sounds, upping the boost is appearing to be risky.
-You want a quiet, pleasant, untempermental car, DO NOT BUY. The engine is not quite (it's not super loud either), the suspension is stiff (not back breaking though), and the car acts differently on different days.
-You want a vault-like car with super-quality construction, DO NOT BUY. There are several pesky rattles found around the front doors, the trunk area, the suspension clunks, and the rear stereo deck lid is known to make tiny rattles.
-You want one of the best handling cars available, BUY THIS CAR.
-You can live with low to mid 15 second performance, BUY THIS CAR.
-You enjoy driving aggressively at the cost of a comfortable, quiet ride, BUY THIS CAR.
-You want a new car and don't want to spend more then $16k, BUY THIS CAR.

If you plan on keeping the car stock and can live with little oddities the car is awesome. If you have the mod bug it can be a bit depressing at times, especially since most turbo'd cars out there offer so much bang for the buck on the upgrade scene. The stereo is very nice for an econo-car, but it's not spectacular. The brakes, suspension, and LSD all work very well together. The engine is decent, it gets great gas mileage, but it hesitates from time to time and seems to have good and bad days. The suspension is awesome but it squeaks when it's cold due to poly-urethane bushings (squeak goes away after a few minutes of driving). It needs to be under 45F for the squeak to be heard.

Make sure you want to buy this car, it's not for everyone.

I'm on the fence myself. Coming from a Lexus LS400 it's just a bit too radical for me, and it's not quite fast enough for me to think the oddities of the engine are worth it. I've accepted the rattles due to the insane handling that is offerd, and through the dealer and my own working I've eliminated 90% of the rattles. Unfortunately, every car I want to replace this one is twice as expensive (G35, A4, GTO, EVO, etc.). If I had to do it ALL over again, I would've probably just bought the $21k ($5k off MSRP) fully loaded 5spd Mazda 6s.

Good luck to you, email me or PM me if you want to ask any more questions. I'm 22, but am a professional who acts and socializes more with 30 year olds. If your the average 16-23 guy, this car is probably for you.

This is a high school kids DREAM car, that's the best I can describe it. The rims, sound system, performance, room for friends, flashy body kit and paint make this a perfect high-school car. For parents, it's relatively safe and not super fast, although I'd probably be dead the way I drove when I was 16.

Hope this helps.
 
jersey_emt said:
........................Don't expect to be 100% happy with your car.
i'm 110% happy with my car, with both of them!
 
You looked 110% happy in Buttonwillow too.

*I was the guy who ran into you at Carls Jr.
 
HOLLY s***!!!!!!!

SWEET, DUDE!!!

how've u been?

damn, that was some krazy s*** :D
went to the track, and ran into a forum member from a different state.......AWESOME!
 
Yeah it was funny, minutes before I was trying to explain to my parents what kind of car I had (they haven't visited me since I got it), then we roll in to eat Carls Jr (I'm Carls Jr deprived in TX), and I saw three of them there. Then Spicy's hat gave it away.

Yeah small a$$ world we live in.

How'd the track go?
 
whats the biggest bottleneck for boost? the bottom can't hold the powa or what?

i went to that essentialspped place and they are tryin to hype up the FMIC kit that can support 15psi.. obvbiously thats not all u need....

i'm boost stupid.... what would u guys do.. to get 15psi safetly?
 
derf said:
whats the biggest bottleneck for boost? the bottom can't hold the powa or what?

i went to that essentialspped place and they are tryin to hype up the FMIC kit that can support 15psi.. obvbiously thats not all u need....

i'm boost stupid.... what would u guys do.. to get 15psi safetly?



fuel/timing control, better intercooler, wideband to tune it...oh and forged internals but that was said..
 
If you want the fastest thing around, pony up the extra dough for the SRT-4.

If you want the best handling car for under $20k, save yourself about $6k and get the MSP. Most folks will probably agree that the MSP is one of the better looking sport compacts as well, but that's subjective.

Unless you really want to dig into the motor, you may not want to do more than bolt-ons (intake, exhaust) for mods. Depends on your level of risk tolerance.

I sold an '03 GTI VR6 to get my MSP (taking a pretty nasty hit on the depreciation on the GTI in the process) and I don't regret it for a second. Sure, the GTI had a little more power, but the extra power is offset to a degree by extra weight and it handled awful. I don't see myself coming and going every day in the MSP like I did in the VW and the handling is much, much better. One thing that I did prefer about the GTI was the flexibility of the larger 6 cylinder NA motor in terms of power delivery. The MSP can run with the GTI in a drag race, but if you come across one on the highway doing 60 and you think you're going to pull on him, you've got a rude awakening coming. That car can put on speed in a hurry on the highway.

My other car is an SVT Focus and I'd call it a toss-up with the MSP. The SVT is fun to drive with its 7,300 rpm redline. The motor revs pretty smooth and the car has nice balance of handling and brakes like the MSP. The hatchback is practical. Handling is just about as good as the MSP. I like the looks of the SVT, but some folks don't. The interior is a little quirky, but very functional. You can get a lot of content with the SVT for short money when the rebates are running. I paid $14.5K for mine and it has several things the MSP lacks- 6 speed, sunroof, heated mirrors, leather trimmed seats, cruise, real intermittent wipers, steering wheel controls for the stereo. It does lack the MSP's LSD and the stereo isn't nearly as fancy, but is a lot easier to use.

Given the difference in what I paid for the SVT vs. the MSP, I'd say the SVT was the better buy. The difference now with the extra MSP incentives is a good deal smaller. The little extra bit of performance the MSP has would make it a tougher decision.

The other car I considered seriously when I got the MSP was the SE-R Spec V. The Spec V can be had cheaper, as you can get it with less equipment than the MSP. The car I test drove didn't have ABS and the stereo was a cheapie stock unit. I think it did have cruise and real intermittent wipers, however. The dealer would have sold that one about 2 months ago for a little under $15k. Probably even less now.

What struck me about the Spec V, however, was that it just didn't seem up to par with any of the other cars in terms of looks or packaging, even the dodge. It has a very "economy car" feel too it. The interior is very plasticky and not much different than the regular Sentra other than some iffy looking seats that look like they were made of football jerseys. The exterior is very plain looking, really just a wing and a set of fairly good looking 17's thrown on a normal sentra with some badging. It does have a 6 speed tranny, but the linkage is one of the worst out there. The trannies are known to get very crunchy as well. They have had a lot of problems with oil consumption and a recall because the car was running so rich it was dumping fuel through the exhaust and into the cats, which disintegrated and were ingested back up into the motors causing them to fail- lots of blown motors.

The motor on the Spec V has great torque for a 4 cylinder. The car accelerates about as well as the MSP. It will also put down solid test numbers for handling and skidpad- but it comes undone out in the real world. The gearing is very short in 1st and second gear, so it loves to rip up its tires and is hard to launch smoothly (the MSP isn't great in this regard either, IMO). The LSD does help this car out a lot in the handling department, but its a lot less composed than the MSP, particularly over uneven pavement. It gets VERY squirrely when pushed hard.

Still, its a good value- you can get into a fast car cheap with the Spec V. I think they've gotten past most of the motor issues, so it should be a durable car as well.

I considered the SRT-4, but I wasn't nuts about spending the extra dough or owning a Dodge. Its pretty fugly, IMO.

I wound up paying $17.5k for my MSP, which I thought was a good deal at the time (could have it for $1.5k less now easy), but I don't feel too badly about it- no way to know the last few on the lots would get such large incentives. I like the car, so its OK.

Hope this all helps.
 
derf said:
sooo they're really discounted now.. the 03.5's...

and after reading all this i'm a little worried about the car. What are all of your opinions after you know about its problems, blown motors. upgrade potential etc.

the ads are sayin 15.5k to get one. and the one aroudn here has 5 on the lot.

just need opinions. i'm going to test drive one tomorrow.

any comparison to resonably priced cars in the same category? civic si, etc.

thanks all.. and yes.. i'm a noob.

yes get the MSP
 
I am in the same boat as rocketspeed and mostly agree with his writeup. My wife has an 03 SVTF and I have an 03 MSP (black of course). I used to have an 02 spec V. I liked the spec but it always lacked something. I like the wife's SVTF but I'm not a big hatchback fan and think the car is kinda 'girlie.' I love my MSP and have never once thought of getting rid of it...unless I win at least $100,000 in the lottery that I never play. Anyway, just my $0.02.

Allen-
 
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