RallyeRedSi
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and in the game of life no one will care
SELL MSP or UPGRADE
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you always refer to the big 3...well really, to me, I get sick of seein srt-4's all day long, no uniqueness to them, no real good looks to them either..manual frickin windows for cryin out loud and a shifter the size of a damn semi truck driver so when you shift into second, you practically hit the driver's seat...the interior is boring as s*** also...yes the srt-4 is obviously faster than the msp, only an idiot does not know that 230 hp (not to the wheels) and 250 ft. lbs of torque is faster than 170 hp to the crank..does it make the srt-4 a better car? Hell no man, u never see a msp rollin down the street anywhere, thats the beauty of them, not to mention that they are a MUCH better lookin car...u can always spend some more money on a msp and be just as fast as an srt-4...there are people on this forum with 285whp and the same amount of torque...did they spend money on a different turbo? yes so what? you are going to have to spend some money to be as fast as an srt-4, its common sense...I think I keep repeating myself but bottom line is...well...msp's in my opinion are better than an srt-4...more unique, better looking, and can always spend a little money on exhaust, bigger intercooler, intake, and some engine management and be right there with an srt4
thejoker0409
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Viva la MSP
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Ryoga28 said:
I agree.
mopar snopar...dude I'm not raggin on the srt's..I dont really mind them and yes they are fast cars, we all know that no need to brag anymore...but do I like them better or does ne body like them better on this forum than the mazdas? Prolly not cuz this is a MAZDA forum. I think that they are pretty cool cars considering their #'s for the price that you can get them for now a days cuz they have decreased in value so much, but bottom line is u can make a speed just as fast and they look better.
Nolimits said:
Run back to your srt-4 forum and go away. You arent posting anything that we need, or want to hear. Why are you on this forum to begin with? You dont own a mazda. I dont post on the SRT-4 boards because guess what? I DONT OWN A DODGE. We all know your NEON is just uber pimp and cool. As for what mazda makes for us aftermarket? Well the correct answer isnt Jack. They made us an entire car. It was called a MAZDASPEED. To use your methodology, do a quick search. Over 1700 differently engineered parts were changed between the Mazdaspeed Protege and the regular car... It doesnt make you cool, or sound educated, to say you can buy a Mopar shift kit for your car when we had a short shift kit designed and put in our cars from the factory. And we dont need upgraded suspension because, whats that? Oh wait, once again we have kick ass suspension that came on the car factory. Mazda peformance exhaust? Could it be that the Mazdaspeeds had a redesigned high-flow exhaust system put on them from the factory? Ding Ding, I think we have a winner! The only thing you actually are correct about is that they dont make taillights for us, like they do for your dodge. But wait a minute, THE MAZDASPEEDS had special tailinghts on them to to distinguish them from a regular protege... once again put on from the factory.
Moral of the story: If your going to argue, at least be educated about it.
*edit* Just to add after reading some of your other dumbass comments... about output, etc on the FS-DE engine. You say that its pathetic they only got 170hp out of the turbo upgrade? You are aware that callaway was running 220whp on the engine when they gave it back to Mazda, and mazda ended up detuning it to give us the production version right? Or could it be that you didnt do a quick search.
Say what you want, if nothing else, at least my car will still have its paint on it after a year, where yours will be getting the rust sanded off of it and repainted.
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threadjack!!!!! I am a man of my word, here are the results... http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?p=2164812#post2164812
sorry about the threadjack, I still think you should keep the msp and mod it...
sorry about the threadjack, I still think you should keep the msp and mod it...
Puckpimp71
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Nolimits doesn't care about that stuff. He just wants a fast car because faster=better. Who gives a damn about quality, handling, features, etc... SRT-4 = Instaspeed... Just add MBC. A retarded catfish could build a 12 second SRT-4 OOoooHHH respect me because I did the same thing any idiot could do. The only thing that separates a V6 Mustang driver who thinks he has a fast car from the average SRT-4 owner is the the SRT-4 is actually quick. Both are ignorant in their own ways... I'll even go out on a limb here and give the V6 Mustang a little more credit because, done correctly, it's got more potential in the 1320.
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Puckpimp71
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Actually.... this might be ground breaking news to you, but, serious racers, at least for drag racing use RWD cars....Nolimits said:
i think maybe 5 out of 2750 owners of the msp are in high school..
also,
any car can be fast, handle and last from abuse you just gotta throw money at it. The game you guys are playing doesnt really make sense cause (for example) If I bought something like a Suzuki Swift or a ford Escort lx SOHC with 100HP and took the cash difference for modding from either a MSP or SRT price, basically anything street legal on the road would get whack in every aspect. Just let it be, srts are ok msp are ok. Neither is a porshe, neither is a KIA both are good at different things.
also,
any car can be fast, handle and last from abuse you just gotta throw money at it. The game you guys are playing doesnt really make sense cause (for example) If I bought something like a Suzuki Swift or a ford Escort lx SOHC with 100HP and took the cash difference for modding from either a MSP or SRT price, basically anything street legal on the road would get whack in every aspect. Just let it be, srts are ok msp are ok. Neither is a porshe, neither is a KIA both are good at different things.
RallyeRedSi
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are we supposed to care?
Nolimits said:I do own a Mazda, see user title.
If your car already has a performance exhaust, short throw kit, and suspension, then why does the aftermarket make all that stuff and people buy it? Ohh yeah, cause apparently the stuff Mazda put in stock isnt good enough. With the Mopar upgrades, you can have a car that does high 11's, pulls almost .95g on the skidpad, all for less than 8k, but I guess Mazda made the MSP run 11's from the factory.
So IF they could have had 220whp out of it, why didnt they? BECAUSE Mazda thought that 220whp couldnt hold up in that engine so they needed to dial it back, Thank you for supporting my claim.
you're still here???????
Ok, fine... here are your specs, taken (w/o permission) from edmunds.com:
The Mazda 6s (6cyl) taken (w/o permission) from edmunds.com:
that mazda 6s did 152hp @6000 and 144ft-lbs @ 4881, STOCK, on a mustang today, If you want to compare your numbers, I will assume you car does the same in the "real world". I can beat the hell out of that car in a race, I do it everytime she tries to race me. Should I assume since your car is rated the same that I can walk all over your car too??? (According to the results, I had 14.5 more horses and 26 more ft-lbs).
Hell, maybe I am a bad driver, because reviewing all these results ON FRIGGIN PAPER, I should be smoking srt-4's all day long!!!!!!!!
get over it, your car sucks...
and p.s. my wenker is still bigger...
Nolimits said:I do own a Mazda, see user title.
If your car already has a performance exhaust, short throw kit, and suspension, then why does the aftermarket make all that stuff and people buy it? Ohh yeah, cause apparently the stuff Mazda put in stock isnt good enough. With the Mopar upgrades, you can have a car that does high 11's, pulls almost .95g on the skidpad, all for less than 8k, but I guess Mazda made the MSP run 11's from the factory.
So IF they could have had 220whp out of it, why didnt they? BECAUSE Mazda thought that 220whp couldnt hold up in that engine so they needed to dial it back, Thank you for supporting my claim.
so it's fun that it's just HP is just handed to you by the dealer? that u can just swipe your card and bang, u have a 11 second car?
or maybe it's more fun to actually get involved in your modding, take chances, make mistakes, learn from those mistakes and have a kick ass car that YOU build?
umm....
well, if you r stupid and start doing stupid s***, then yes, it'll blow, but there are people here that have pushed the limits on stock motors and still have not blown, and they r beating Ferraris (guess who am I talking about?), and they have but themselves to thank for it
i'd rather be that guy than just the "charge it" fella
i'd rather be that guy than just the "charge it" fella
guys im all for msps, but let it go. honestly, ive got pretty much all the bolt ons, and ive beat a srt4. its no big deal, they beat a stock msp without any mods to the motor in a straight line, at the same time a msp dances around a stock srt in the straights, they are 2 different purpose built vehicles. The srt was made to spank the SCs like WRX and sentras in the straights, we were made to take em in the corners, either way, both are good. You cant start comparing modded vs modded cause whoever has the fatter brain and pocket will win everytime regardless of the car. Im sure if anyt respectable auto performance engineer had a few weeks with either car he could have it beating the other one regardless so basically there was a horse, then you guys killed it, then beat it with a stick, then came back later with a hammer and beat it, then you drove over it, then..
What's the argument about, here? I'm with Jeff; stock for stock, the SRT-4 is definitely much faster and the MSP will out do it in the corners (Not sure on the Mopar upgrades... It pulls more G's, but that doesn't necessarily translate directly onto handling on the track). When you get into aftermarket tuning, you just can't compare the two cars. Yes, if you drop a couple $k's into the MSP it'll pull on the Dodge, but if you drop the same $$ into the SRT-4 it'll be just as much faster. As for getting a lower powered car and then modding it vs. a higher powered car, that is a stupid argument; why get a $15k car instead of an older $5k mod that instead? There're far better cars for major tuning than the MSP and its weak internals.
Sounds like the only *real* argument here is that of aesthetics, i.e. "the Neon is ugly" and "the Mazdaspeed is limited edition," and that's just purely subjective, besides not at all having anything to do with the driving experience.
Sounds like the only *real* argument here is that of aesthetics, i.e. "the Neon is ugly" and "the Mazdaspeed is limited edition," and that's just purely subjective, besides not at all having anything to do with the driving experience.
