rear motor mount install?

silverspeed03

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2008 MS3
Can someone that has installed the rear motor mount give me a quick outline of what exactly needs to be done to get this installed with the least amount of headaches?

I am going to install this tonight and would like it to go smoothly.

Thanks for the help,

Chris
 
I'd drop the subframe for the easiest way around the stupid harness nut. You can try to jack it up some on the rear engine to get more space.
 
Pay someone to do it!!! <--- Give the headache to someone else...Good Luck with it, I know there is a DIY thing somewhere
 
Pull the harness away from the firewall enough and you can squeeze an extension thru (several extensions actually in order to reach). This is what I have read anyway. I die ground my insert out (very messy not recommended) from the bottom of the car and made my own replacement.
 
take the wire harness out of the way, use 3 or 4 extentions.
no need to take the subframe or passenger wheel off.
i did mine on ramps.

dont do it "tonight".....start in the morning.
it takes 3-4 hours.
USE A LOT OF PB BLASTER!!!
 
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96763
The pics start on pg 3. I did this and, although it took a while, I would rather do it myself than have somebody else do things to MY car. The write up helped me a bunch, I actually printed the pics and took them to the garage w/ me. I didn't have quite enough big extensions but still got it done; It just would have been easier with more. I also would suggest giving yourself plenty of time.
You can do eet!!
 
My how-to from another forum; if you haven't done it yet:

So we have all heard of the horror stories of removing the rear mount and either installing an AWR or RR-Racing inserts. Well, I found out that many of the problems people had could be pretty easily avoided.
After reading the how-to on msprotege.com I decided that that was too much work for me; I didn't want to take my wheel off or buy 100 more extensions, and guess what--you don't need to either.
To start off; the tools you will need are (I am doing this from memory but I think I covered them all):

-17mm socket x 2 (and 1 deep 17mm, can count that as one of the two)

-10mm socket & 1/4" socket wrench

-12mm socket (If taking off EGR valve, made it easier to get mount back in...)

-Big ass iron pipe (you'll see)

-Whatever tools you need to remove your specific intercooler piping@throttle body

-3/8" socket wrench, 1/2" socket wrench (might not need this, one of my 17mm sockets was 1/2" so I did need it), 3/8" or 1/2" torque wrench

I think that's about it, note: you do not need 30" of extensions or whatever the person said in another How To for this.

Steps:
1.) Jack up your car and put it on jack stands; you will most likely need the jack later to move the engine a bit.

2.) Remove your intercooler piping at the throttle body, for me it was just a short section from my MAF sensor to the throttle body...this will give you room to reach down to the mount.

3.) At this point I loosened the main bolt going through the middle of the motor mount. You need 2 17mm sockets, put one on a wrench and get under your car, you will need to put this one the passenger side nut of the motor mount. This is the picture of how I positioned that wrench:
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Just make sure it is set to 'loosen', it should wedge itself up on something after the first turn from the other side.

Loosening the main bolt...that puppy is on there. Unfortunately a 5/16" socket wrench couldn't break it free on it's own so we called in reinforcements...say hello to the big ass iron pipe
RMMInstall001.jpg

The bolt didn't stand a chance...

Ok, so after loosening the bolt that goes through the motor mount and getting the nut off of the other end you have to put a jack (with a 2x4 for safety) under a part of your engine to take the load off of the mount so you can pull the bolt out. Here is where I put the jack:
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Yeah, it looks a little unsafe but it was sturdy..that's right on the tranny if you cannot tell.
Jack it a little at a time and keep trying to take the bolt out, it will eventually come.

Now here is where everyone has problems...it took me 5 minutes.

4.) Remove the plastic wiring bracket dun dun dunnnnnnn
There are 2 little 10mm nuts holding this on. The top one is very easy to take off (use the little socket wrench). The bottom one everyone says is a pain; I cannot say that I agree.

Now, I have big hands and all I did was put the 10mm socket on a short 3" extension, popped my socket wrench on and unscrewed it. I really don't know why people had trouble with this, you can only turn maybe 15 degrees at a time or so, but it doesnt take long to take off..can do by hand after a couple turns.

Here is the infamous plastic bracket:
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5.) OK, now you can see the 3 bolts that are holding the motor mount to the car.

Just to the right of the throttle body in this picture:
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I used 4 extensions (2-5", 2-3") and my 3/8" torque wrench. You will most likely not be able to get perfectly square on the bolts, but you can get close enough to get it done.

Remove those and now you can wiggle the mount out of the engine bay.
RMMInstall009.jpg

There were no rips at all and I have had a front AWR mount in for quite some time now.

Insert your inserts (or just grab your AWR mount)
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Yeah I know, my insert has a tumor.
Ok now for reinstallation. This is where I really should have read Gar777's how-to on msprotege.com closely; you will see why.

6.) Getting the mount back into its spot was not working for me so I had to remove something that was in my way.
RMMInstall003.jpg

In this picture you can see the EGR valve, it is attatched to the bottom of the throttle body by two 12mm bolts, very easy to remove.

With that out of the way positioning the mount was very simple.
THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION
Insert and tighten the bolt that goes through the mount first, do not tighten the 3 nuts that hold the mount to the car before doing this
This is important because you can move the mount around to make sure you can get the bolt all the way through. I tightened the 3 nuts first and could not get the bolt through even by moving the engine up and down with a jack. This lead to a horrible strippage of one of the nuts when I tried to loosen it (I was using 11/16 instead of 17mm up to this point...it seemed fine (hand) )

I went to Wal-mart and got a deep socket set with a 17mm in it, it was too late for the nut, too stripped. Had to wait til the next day and go to Sears to buy an Easy Out set for $50 and to Mazda to get a replacement nut for $4 (no it is not made of gold as the price would suggest). Took a while but finally got the stripped nut off.

Tightening the bolt that goes through the mount is pretty easy, do it the same way as you did loosening it by getting under the car and putting a socket wrench with a 17mm socket on the nut, make sure the wrench is set to tighten.

After that you can tighten down the 3 nuts, these nuts and the bolt that goes through the mount I tightened to 68 ft/lbs (high end of manual recommendation).

Picture of installed mount:
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7.) Reinstall the wiring bracket and the thing under the throttle body. Reinstall intercooler piping.

8.) DRIVE!
 
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The second to last picture is the EGR valve the IAC is on the top side of the engine, above the TB
 
ChefChris said:
The second to last picture is the EGR valve the IAC is on the top side of the engine, above the TB

Ahh yes, was told that after I wrote this the first time, thanks for letting me know, I'll change that in my post.
 
03MSP said:
Ahh yes, was told that after I wrote this the first time, thanks for letting me know, I'll change that in my post.

hows the vibration with the r-r rear insert. i have the awr rear mount and everything in the car shakes, i was thinkng of switching to the insert
 
Vibration is very slight actually...unless you turn on the A/C at idle then you need a helmet and earplugs.

Also, my midpipe doesn't have the hangers like the stock one did and this actually reduced the vibration quite a bit. But even when I had the stock midpipe on the RR inserts didn't make too much of a difference in vibration.
 
03MSP said:
Vibration is very slight actually...unless you turn on the A/C at idle then you need a helmet and earplugs.

Also, my midpipe doesn't have the hangers like the stock one did and this actually reduced the vibration quite a bit. But even when I had the stock midpipe on the RR inserts didn't make too much of a difference in vibration.

The exsessive vibes calmed down after 2-3 weeks, keep in mind, I dont have AC, it slows you down. So I dont know how it would be with that on, But with the heater defroster and all that crap on its no different from when they are all off.
 
I installed the rear mount on my P5 when the motor was out. Piece of cake :) Just get a few extensions before you attempt it, and pull the harness out of the way for sure.
 
^^ duh piece of cake with the motor out! So would it be very tough to get the rear inserts alone? (with a motor ofcourse)
 
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