READ THIS!Downpipe,Test pipe and FMIC info

[2K3 MSP]

The "Fast and Furious" mentality extends far beyond the teenagers...The dealership can tell you whatever they "think" is okay right now, but if you mess up your car, I'd like to see them say"Oh, don't worry about the blown motor, we told you it was okay to mod. your car"...

 

[NC_MP3]

It would be hard to do a FMIC without cutting the core support. I don't remember exactly what it looks like, but you may be able to take the pipe out and go up through the hole that is right in front of the wheels. It would come up right where the coolant catch tank thing is. This is where CAI's go down. Dunno if you can do that on the passenger side.

I would just cut the core support. It isn't hard and doesn't hurt a thing. I cut mine and it almost looks factory.

I would not spend money on a downpipe that just goes to the 1st cat. It sounds like the stock downpipe is not that bad. 90 degree bend out of a downpipe is OK, as long as it is a bend and not a turn. You will see no gains by making a downpipe to the 1st cat. If you get one made just get one that replaces 1st cat. If you are worried about emissions just take out the 2nd cat as well and get a good quality single put down below the car.

Or do like me and run 3 inch exhaust with no cats

If you guys want to do a front mount or a bov I would have someone remake the intercooler pipes.

Also a fan behind an intercooler will hurt you. You want air to flow through the fins as easy as possible. If you put anything behind it, then it hurts your flow. You will also get dead spots where the fan is. The blades would turn, but the parts that are solid would make dead spots.

If you want to rig up something cheap reroute your windshield sprayers to spary water onto the intercooler, thats a cool cheap mod. You can fill the resoiver with ice water when you go racing.

Also about the flanges you can buy standard turbine flanges from any place that sells turbos. Get a downpipe flange for a T25 or whatever it is you guys have.

 

[perfworks]

Uh oh, someone I don't know whom I'll never meet lost respect for me! As far as my post was concerned I was only trying to make some of the kiddies realize that cranking up the boost will eventually cause problems and it WILL void your warranty. That's at every dealership. However after talking to mine they told me they don't think relocating the STOCK intercooler would be a hassle. He did tell me that they would not repair any damages caused to it by road debris or poor support, but using the stock componants in a different location wasn't a big deal. I'm just making a point about the young "Fast and Furious" mentality of this board. I guess you guys don't have mortgage payments, kids on the way, bills out the ass, and work 52+ hrs /wk. That's the stuff I deal with and voiding my warranty ISN'T an option right now. Achieving maximum effeciency <not performance> while retaining the warranty is my top priority. If you guys want to just fry the whels off, go buy an MP5 without a warranty and Turbo the s*** out of it. I'll let you in on a secret though. You won't get far on that block. And while you guys may be a second or so faster than me in the quarter mile, I'll be enjoying the peace of mind that comes with having 4 years of no maintaince.

first of all for some one who said they dont know any one here you sure talk (type) like you do with that ignorant attitude
as a matter of fact dippy many people here are over the age of 20 but i didnt know that there was an age verification needed for common sense
second you are the only one talking about increasing boost!!!!!
especially 19psi !!!!
we were discusing efficiency at stock levels
third the dealer will tell you anything you want to know to shut you up because i can only imagine if you walked in there with that attitude i would tell you you were mother teresa to shut you up
four if you have all those bills ,work your ass off, and have kids, etc then maybe you should seek proffesional anger management or a shrink instead of venting in a forum full of people who are here to enjoy there experience and learn something from others and talk about there cars in a logical , peaceful and civilized manner

P.S. what the hell does a seat have to do with relocating the intercooler!!

 

[perfworks]

sorry linux ! i posted after and didnt see what you said

 

[redrims]

Uh oh, someone I don't know whom I'll never meet lost respect for me! As far as my post was concerned I was only trying to make some of the kiddies realize that cranking up the boost will eventually cause problems and it WILL void your warranty. That's at every dealership. However after talking to mine they told me they don't think relocating the STOCK intercooler would be a hassle. He did tell me that they would not repair any damages caused to it by road debris or poor support, but using the stock componants in a different location wasn't a big deal. I'm just making a point about the young "Fast and Furious" mentality of this board. I guess you guys don't have mortgage payments, kids on the way, bills out the ass, and work 52+ hrs /wk. That's the stuff I deal with and voiding my warranty ISN'T an option right now. Achieving maximum effeciency <not performance> while retaining the warranty is my top priority. If you guys want to just fry the whels off, go buy an MP5 without a warranty and Turbo the s*** out of it. I'll let you in on a secret though. You won't get far on that block. And while you guys may be a second or so faster than me in the quarter mile, I'll be enjoying the peace of mind that comes with having 4 years of no maintaince.

Its alright bro., I agree with you and I know where you're coming from...

But just because you are young doesn't mean that you have no responsibilities.

I'm in college full time at UMD, majoring in Mechanical Engineering, minoring in criminal justice, after finishing long class schedules I usually have about 5 hours worth of homework do, essays on top of essays, lab reports, design and floor plans for ARCH class, AND on top of that I'm a store manager trying to fit in at least 20hrs a week. Because I HAVE BILLS TOO. Car note, phone bill, and I'm almost done paying the school off.


I wouldn't want a child right now (to young), can't worry about morgage (I live on campus)
What's wrong with my parents taking care of a few things? They are more experienced than me, have more money than me, and I'm not OFFICIALLY on my own yet. I'm glad I have parents who love me enough to save my butt when I'm in a grind.

If someone wants to risk there warranty, that's on them...don't bash them for thier decision. Giving advice is good, but not making ppl sound like morons.

 

[redrims]

You say you are older, but your attitude is just as quick as my little brothers.

No need to get upset from someone elses point of view...

 

[2K3 MSP]

I wouldn't want a child right now (to young), can't worry about morgage (I live on campus)
What's wrong with my parents taking care of a few things? They are more experienced than me, have more money than me, and I'm not OFFICIALLY on my own yet. I'm glad I have parents who love me enough to save my butt when I'm in a grind.

AMEN, BROTHA!!!

 

[perfworks]

red who are you refering to?

 

[boostisgood]

Turbo Matty P,

First and foremost, i can do what ever i want to my car, and not void the warranty. There are laws that protect consumers in this right. goto www.sema.org and look it up. turning the boost up does not automatically void your warranty. If you blow a rod cause you did, then yes your wqarrant is shot.

If I add an FMIC, and my master cylinder goes bad, they gotta fix the cylinder because the FMIC was not directly related to the warranty issue.

You can even get this info from your Consumer Warranty guide that came with your car. Please educate yourself before you come on here and start ranting a raving about things. An educated argument is worth more then plain old flaming.

 

[redrims]

red who are you refering to?

Yo Mamma..sike j/k

to Turbo Matty P...

I'm not venting, just giving some insight.


This is funny...(laugh) Like 10 post in the last 2 minutes...lol

 

[perfworks]

 

[yashooa]

Oldy

Hey Im an old fart am I allowed to act stupid?
Heck AGR probaly has foot in a "rest facility" already
I dont know how much I am willing to do to my car until warranty is gone after that, well if something breaks Im screwed anyway so boost it!
BTW Man did this thread go off topic.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

yeah i still wanna know bout the fmic, dp, and test pipe.

 

[ForceFed]

Uh oh, someone I don't know whom I'll never meet lost respect for me! As far as my post was concerned I was only trying to make some of the kiddies realize that cranking up the boost will eventually cause problems and it WILL void your warranty. That's at every dealership. However after talking to mine they told me they don't think relocating the STOCK intercooler would be a hassle. He did tell me that they would not repair any damages caused to it by road debris or poor support, but using the stock componants in a different location wasn't a big deal. I'm just making a point about the young "Fast and Furious" mentality of this board. I guess you guys don't have mortgage payments, kids on the way, bills out the ass, and work 52+ hrs /wk. That's the stuff I deal with and voiding my warranty ISN'T an option right now. Achieving maximum effeciency <not performance> while retaining the warranty is my top priority. If you guys want to just fry the whels off, go buy an MP5 without a warranty and Turbo the s*** out of it. I'll let you in on a secret though. You won't get far on that block. And while you guys may be a second or so faster than me in the quarter mile, I'll be enjoying the peace of mind that comes with having 4 years of no maintaince.

:wtf: I guess you think you are just smarter than everyone on this board huh?:bs: I have a mortgage,a FT job and guess what ass ,i even have a PT job.Oh and to boot I'm 25 yrs. of age.For you condemning everyone for their own opinions and talking about your superior responsibleness(if thats a word,you get the point)you seem to be very ignorant and narrow minded.IF YOU DONT WANT TO VOID YOUR WARRANTY , THEN DONT !:mad: But dont try to tell us how to tune our cars!you do yours your way and we will do it the way we see fit!If you come on this board with the attitude you have i would suggest that you go find a new place to play!(flame) I dont know if its just me but does any one else have a prob with the holy 'er than though attitude? I've spoken my mind how bout the rest of y'all?

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Dude, I don't think you read one word I said. turning the boost up on the motor DOES void your warranty. If you have a dealership that won't void your warranty for taking the boost up, you let me know. I called my dealership here and they told me adding a BOV would void mine. I told them to suck nuts and give me the manager. After MUCH hassle they agreed with me that BOV added no performance gain, just sound and smoothness. However they told me OFFICIALLY that any part added to the car would void that particular pieces warranty. i.e. downpipe would void exhaust warranty, boost would void motor. I would LOVE to talk to the dealer who is going to repair my MSP under warranty when I tow it in with a blown motor, 19psi boost, custom intake, custom downpipe, custom intercooler. I'm sure they're just going to look at it and assume I used it to get groceries for my grandmother who only drove the cars on sunday no more than 10 minutes. How dumb can you be? As far as relocating the intercooler, it in no way creates undo strain on the motor. In fact it would help if anything to lower temperatures. As far as moving it goes, nothing is changed only position. For instance seat position. If the dealer installs the seat in the most upright position closest to the steering wheel because it's "safer" it doesn't mean you can't adjust it to a more beneficial position for the indivdual driver. It retains all of the stock componants <with the exception of some cheap plastic tubing. I've already run this by my dealer and they want to see the completed FMIC before making a decision. Think this stuff through before totally being assinign about it. I'm all for big power from small motors <I have 2 2.3L turbo motors making over 250rwhp each> It's just not smart to throw away a realy good warranty on a car thats more than able from the factory! Is anyone on this board over the age of 20???

Wow ok. I never said that raising the boost wouldnt void your warr. Where in the HELL did u get that??? Yeah why dont you cry about it some more. That we r a bunch of young punks who dont know s***. Have you stuck the car on a wideband?? HUMMMM oh yeah. I cranked my boost big deal, s*** i guess i need to start looking for a new car now! lol

Is anyone on this board over the age of 20???

haha yeah i'm one. What does that have to do about anything. s*** I work anywhere from 40 - 60 hr a week full time , on salary, with benifets. oh yeah and i'm 21.

Again you r trying to tell me that taking the stock intercooler, redoing all the piping, replacing it with custom aftermarket ones, remounting it in a different position will not void your warr. ? man pass that s*** cause it sounds killer!

If you guys want to just fry the whels off, go buy an MP5 without a warranty and Turbo the s*** out of it

If i wanted a mp5 I would have bought one. :wtf: This is a Thread about the MSP in the MSP section.

I'll be enjoying the peace of mind that comes with having 4 years of no maintaince

Man i dont think your car will last that long without changing the oil

I was only trying to make some of the kiddies realize that cranking up the boost will eventually cause problems and it WILL void your warranty. That's at every dealership

I'm not 4 :wtf: Man you r really stuck on this age thing.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Ok I'm done sorry again!

But hows the progress on the downpipe going? that is soming I'm looking into right now.

 

[perfworks]

:wtf: I guess you think you are just smarter than everyone on this board huh?:bs: I have a mortgage,a FT job and guess what ass ,i even have a PT job.Oh and to boot I'm 25 yrs. of age.For you condemning everyone for their own opinions and talking about your superior responsibleness(if thats a word,you get the point)you seem to be very ignorant and narrow minded.IF YOU DONT WANT TO VOID YOUR WARRANTY , THEN DONT !:mad: But dont try to tell us how to tune our cars!you do yours your way and we will do it the way we see fit!If you come on this board with the attitude you have i would suggest that you go find a new place to play!(flame) I dont know if its just me but does any one else have a prob with the holy 'er than though attitude? I've spoken my mind how bout the rest of y'all?

i got one in there before you force fed!

 

[yashooa]

19

Man at 19 I had a wife (which I still have) and a 2yr old daughter.
I was working 60-80 hrs a week for 5.25$ and hr to support them while my wife @18 yrs of age was the youngest one in her nursing school. So while the younger guys tend to be a bit more wound up and able to perhaps do things to their cars (without as many consequences) becuase of a parental saftey net dosent mean that they dont work hard.
Of course I think as a older gentlemen I will still tell them they suck....(moon) (wiggle) (hump) (stash) (naughty)

 

[AGR]

Re: Oldy

Hey Im an old fart am I allowed to act stupid?
Heck AGR probaly has foot in a "rest facility" already
I dont know how much I am willing to do to my car until warranty is gone after that, well if something breaks Im screwed anyway so boost it!
BTW Man did this thread go off topic.

Awwww You Rat Bastard!!!! (rofl) Okay; so I'm 48 (soon to be 49)!!! It's all about the Grin factor.

Are you going to get one of these "Joe P's Manual Boost Controllers?

 

[yashooa]

Re: Re: Oldy

Awwww You Rat Bastard!!!! (rofl) Okay; so I'm 48 (soon to be 49)!!! It's all about the Grin factor.

Are you going to get one of these "Joe P's Manual Boost Controllers?

Yes, as long as I can figure out how to mount it without destroying my warranty. Us old guys have to save up for our impending retirement.