Racing help
- Thread starter AkiraFist
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It's not something you can be told on a board or in a book. When you say "racing", are you talking about drag racing or autocrossing? In either case, go to an event and ride along with somebody experienced and pay attention to what they do. Then let them ride with you and give you advice.
I-Am-Chris
Member
shift at 69 on the tach
WhatTurbo?
Member
redline each gear!!
mp3boy1984
low rid'n member
i have been told to nearly redline first but then as you get higher in the gears you wanna shift out of them earlier than the previous gear. However that was with a MP3, and with the turbo i am not sure if you have to do that in the MSP. I am not sure, but i thought that someone said that at one point or another.
mp3boy1984
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oh yea, and if you are dragging, then DON'T redline your car at the line, like when you are rev'ing your enging.
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- Black tinted '02 P5
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I would like to consider myself and enthusiast racer. i havent driven stick before i got my car either, but i have learned a whole lot just by doing it. I think one of the best tools to help you would be Gran Turismo for the Playstaion 2, that will get you the theory of racing. it is of course alot different then driving for real but the concept is the same.
a really good book that you may want to get is the Skip Barber Racing School book. it should be at a book store. and like JasonH said about riding with somebody, that would be a good idea. i drag race once and awhile but it isnt as fun as hitting the twisties. couple things to remeber:
1. it is important to learn to downshift IN or just after a turn so youcan have acceleration out of it.
2. try and hit the apex as much as you can. the apex is the inner most part of the turn.
3. brakes slow you down in the twisties, gears dont you lose speed.
4. practice heel toe braking. (trust me dont do this when its wet unless you have mastered it) this is done by putting the top part of your foot on the brake while sliding over and hitting the accelerator with your heel to keep your revs up while you downshift.
5. shifting to redline isnt the greatest thing because you lose HP on your power band. shift close to it so you can maximize your whole rpm range.
basically the best thing to do is to practice. this guy i know who used to live in California who street raced for 11 years told me that if you have a turbo car of course, when you are shifting dont take your foot off the gas pedal because you lose boost. i hope this helps. play a bunch of racing video games, you'll get the idea, the only thing to do is practice. but i warn you, dont do it at high speeds. first start off doing this stuff at low speeds. that way you get the feel of your car, and the way you can do it. it will take awhile, but be patient.
I would like to consider myself and enthusiast racer. i havent driven stick before i got my car either, but i have learned a whole lot just by doing it. I think one of the best tools to help you would be Gran Turismo for the Playstaion 2, that will get you the theory of racing. it is of course alot different then driving for real but the concept is the same.
a really good book that you may want to get is the Skip Barber Racing School book. it should be at a book store. and like JasonH said about riding with somebody, that would be a good idea. i drag race once and awhile but it isnt as fun as hitting the twisties. couple things to remeber:
1. it is important to learn to downshift IN or just after a turn so youcan have acceleration out of it.
2. try and hit the apex as much as you can. the apex is the inner most part of the turn.
3. brakes slow you down in the twisties, gears dont you lose speed.
4. practice heel toe braking. (trust me dont do this when its wet unless you have mastered it) this is done by putting the top part of your foot on the brake while sliding over and hitting the accelerator with your heel to keep your revs up while you downshift.
5. shifting to redline isnt the greatest thing because you lose HP on your power band. shift close to it so you can maximize your whole rpm range.
basically the best thing to do is to practice. this guy i know who used to live in California who street raced for 11 years told me that if you have a turbo car of course, when you are shifting dont take your foot off the gas pedal because you lose boost. i hope this helps. play a bunch of racing video games, you'll get the idea, the only thing to do is practice. but i warn you, dont do it at high speeds. first start off doing this stuff at low speeds. that way you get the feel of your car, and the way you can do it. it will take awhile, but be patient.
hey Akira ... some things that are important to know so you are (1) Not wasting precious seconds when racing and (2), not raping your enginge when racing .. Your shifting is going to change each time according to how your take off is, also with the mazda I have noticed more then any car I have driven, raced ect .. a little after 5 grand (tach) you will notice that your car stops pulling but still the RPMs climbe right ??? well your car at that point has just run out of power and is maxed out .. so it takes a good while to figure your car out and once you get it down pat and know when and at that point your car stops pulling you forward then at that exact point is when the shifting needs to take place ..so you can eliminate any power loss if you will.. and the faster and smoother the shifting (timing) will ensure that you get almost 99% Continous acceloration throughout the gears .. i hope this makes sense to ya and i hope it helps .. but one thing for sure .. Be nice to the clutch if your new to this. Nothing is worse then trying to race some one and you totaly ass **** your clutch taking off the line .. learn the timing and you will be all set
Heel and toe is a misnomer. You don't use the heel to tweak the gas, you just use the right side of your right foot. You use your heel to pivot your toes on to the brake pedal this way your foot is in a position to brake and tweak the gas at the same time. Keep the heel planted.
You only need to use H+T if you want to avoid "engine breaking effect" - I learned to drive in a mid-engine Fiat X-19 and going round bends and lowering gears was scary.
Lets say you are in 3rd and approaching a curve and you know you need to come out of it in 2nd....
1. Pivot right foot over brake pedal, use left side of foot to brake.
2. Depress clutch
3. Shift to neutral and release cluth half way (to the bite point)
4. While maintaining braking pressure gently roll the right side of your foot over the gas pedal and depress to bring the revs up to the point required by 2nd gear.
5. Depress clutch and shift to 2nd. Pivot foot back onto gas
I still have to think about this technique too much to really take advantage of it.
You only need to use H+T if you want to avoid "engine breaking effect" - I learned to drive in a mid-engine Fiat X-19 and going round bends and lowering gears was scary.
Lets say you are in 3rd and approaching a curve and you know you need to come out of it in 2nd....
1. Pivot right foot over brake pedal, use left side of foot to brake.
2. Depress clutch
3. Shift to neutral and release cluth half way (to the bite point)
4. While maintaining braking pressure gently roll the right side of your foot over the gas pedal and depress to bring the revs up to the point required by 2nd gear.
5. Depress clutch and shift to 2nd. Pivot foot back onto gas
I still have to think about this technique too much to really take advantage of it.
nono i would not at all you need to let your syncronizers do there job and that is a good way to burn your clutch since as soon as you take it out of gear it will race yoru RPMs and then you slam it into another gear that is larger and that is when the clutch is getting burnt and you lose speed anyway
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- 03' Silverado, 03' P5
AkiraFist said:
Well, like Mp5Raycer said, it's not a good idea. Without a stronger clutch, you're just going to roast your factory one, and stand to wear it out in a very small amount of time as well as put undo strain on your transmission...
So far with my P5 I've found the following technique to be the best recipe for performance in a straight line: Both according to my G-tech (just to check for consistency) and seat of the pants feeling.
From a dead stop, bring the RPM's up to about 2,500... Let the clutch slip evenly and fairly quick, but try to do so in a way to reduce wheel spin... You'll get a little bit of wheel-hop at that Rpm but not too much...
Shift out of 1st at ~6500 Rpm's... Since you have a turbo, it might actually pull better in that range, so that's something you'd have to experiment with a little.
Shift out of 2nd at 5500 Rpm's, for some reason at that RPM range 2nd gear feels weak in my P5...
Shift out of 3rd (and 4th if you'd ever be going that fast anyways) between 5500 and 6000 Rpm's... Once again the turbo will probably make a difference here.
Good luck!
No, let go of the gas... All I was saying is that during the H&T action, at the clutch bite point you can tweak the gas to bring the revs back up. At this point in the process you are in neutral, a split second later while the revs are still up you slip into what ever gear you were downshifting too.
Here ya go, couldn't have described it better myself!
http://www.triumphspitfire.com/Healtoe.html
Here ya go, couldn't have described it better myself!
http://www.triumphspitfire.com/Healtoe.html
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