quick brake Q

[oaklandopen]

Called the local dealer to price out some oem pads and brakes, fronts only, and I got quoted at $195 for the front pads (4 total at 2 per wheel) and $85/disk. Okay so grand total of about $280. Not liking that

So I check out tirerack and find these pads. Now, i want to go ceramic for the pure reason that I hate dust and noise, but I'm having trouble understanding how many I need to put down under quantity because of the price difference.

I mean...I'm not just seeing things, am I? The pic shows 1 box with 4 pads, and I'm assuming "axle set" really means both front wheels-worth of pads. I don't want to order a quantity of 1 just to have 1 set for 1 brake disk, and have to order them again. That's a big freakin price difference

Unless oem ms3 pads are soooo awesomely soft and track-worthy that that's really how much they cost compaired to any other normal pads

Stopping distance loss is not important, as I'm sure it will still be just fine for me. I just need some new stuff

 

[supersuckers]

Pads tyically come four per box. Enough for a single axle. Order Qty (1) for the front and Qty (1) for the rear.

Typically noise + dust = higher performance.

"Stopping distance loss is not important"? 10ft could be the difference between rear ending someone and having a nice day.

Choose your poison.

 

[oaklandopen]

Yea...and 10ft cold also be the difference between having a nice day and whiplash from getting rear ended by the guy behind you. That aspect could be "what iffed" all day long. I'm just trying to make sure I'm ordering a complete set

Like I was saying, I'm going for less dust/noise, and some longevity, which is why I'm chosing ceramic. Besides, the amount of stopping distance I've probably lost since it was a brand new car 50k miles ago, will be made up for when installation of new brakes and fluid is achieved

 

[meicalnissyen]

Called the local dealer to price out some oem pads and brakes, fronts only, and I got quoted at $195 for the front pads (4 total at 2 per wheel) and $85/disk. Okay so grand total of about $280. Not liking that

So I check out tirerack and find these pads. Now, i want to go ceramic for the pure reason that I hate dust and noise, but I'm having trouble understanding how many I need to put down under quantity because of the price difference.

I mean...I'm not just seeing things, am I? The pic shows 1 box with 4 pads, and I'm assuming "axle set" really means both front wheels-worth of pads. I don't want to order a quantity of 1 just to have 1 set for 1 brake disk, and have to order them again. That's a big freakin price difference

Unless oem ms3 pads are soooo awesomely soft and track-worthy that that's really how much they cost compaired to any other normal pads

Stopping distance loss is not important, as I'm sure it will still be just fine for me. I just need some new stuff

most of the "dust" is from the rotor

I have been using ebc green for about 15K

wash the car less

do I have to push harder to engage abs, ? mebbe
but a locking wheel stops the same, and I can egage abs at will

debate bite and feel all you want, unless I was at a track day and running at real high average temps, green is good

dp21574
is the PN

 

[Rotus]

That price is for a box of four pads for the front rotors.

Any reason you buying from tirerack? I bought those same pads from a forum sponsor for a little cheaper (87.17 shipped).

I don't find that the stopping distance is any different, but the first "bit" is less. After the break in period, these stop as well as my stockers. They do put out dust, but not anywhere near the amount of the stockers.

 

[oaklandopen]

I don't buy from individuals online. No ebay, no craigslist, nothing.

Tirerack is just the first place I looked. I like their shipping times and anything is cheaper than oem, which is what id rather have, but not this time

My question was answered, thanks

 

[supersuckers]

most of the "dust" is from the rotor

Huh? Can you explain that or provide reference?

This seems counter intuitive to me. I guess you could weigh the pads and rotor before and after.

 

[Rotus]

I don't buy from individuals online. No ebay, no craigslist, nothing.

Tirerack is just the first place I looked. I like their shipping times and anything is cheaper than oem, which is what id rather have, but not this time

My question was answered, thanks

What I said was a "forum sponsor". That's a business that pays money to help with the upkeep of this site. I did not suggest buying from ebay or craigslist.

 

[oaklandopen]

^^^ah...muh bad

 

[MikeHTally]

The dust is from the pads. That's what they do - wear away. The rotor may produce a bit of rust, but no dust. Ceramic pads ain't necessarily quieter, especially when they're cold and under light braking. The brakes on my Ram and the C squeal under low speeds/cold/light pressure.

 

[oaklandopen]

My brakes are literally squeeling no matter what pressure, under 15mph. I most likely glazed them pretty good last winter when I had the abs going crazy for over 150ft on an extremely slick road. Squeals started right after that happened, and never went away

I got about 4/32 in both on the fronts, and probably around 10/32 in the rear, so I'm only doing the fronts

 

[destineal]

Yea...and 10ft cold also be the difference between having a nice day and whiplash from getting rear ended by the guy behind you. That aspect could be "what iffed" all day long. I'm just trying to make sure I'm ordering a complete set

Like I was saying, I'm going for less dust/noise, and some longevity, which is why I'm chosing ceramic. Besides, the amount of stopping distance I've probably lost since it was a brand new car 50k miles ago, will be made up for when installation of new brakes and fluid is achieved

That 10 feet will be the difference of who's at fault.

 

[meicalnissyen]

Huh? Can you explain that or provide reference?

This seems counter intuitive to me. I guess you could weigh the pads and rotor before and after.

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/brake_dust.shtml

 

[supersuckers]

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Intersting read.

They state that "you have to understand that the dust caused by brake pads is only partly coming from the pad itself ". I would agree with that. I did not see any refrence to "most" of the dust coming from the rotors. I get the feeling from the article that EBC tries to eliminate iron content in their pads in order to reduce the amount of dust.

They also state "element Fe which is iron or steel ferrous elements". I know Fe is iron, but what the hell is a "steel ferrous element"? Any chemists out there?

 

[WillD]

Ferrous basically means that it is a metal that contains iron. So they are saying that there are metals within the brake pad that have iron in their chemical makeup.

I do agree that was an interesting read.

 

[oaklandopen]

Wow, a website operated by ebc actually ran an in-house test where their product was the best and everyone else has it wrong, and their wheel pictures show proof even though there are lighting differences

Kinda like those before and after shots of ppl who take suppliments, and were "tested" by the same company that makes those suppliments

 

[WillD]

I do agree some of their tests are a little suspect, but EBC makes a pretty well respected and quality product.

GRM, put EBC YellowStuff on their MS3 project car: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/pr...speed3/step-step-brake-tech-our-mazdaspeed-3/

 

[oaklandopen]

I agree they make good stuff....but that's damn near an opinion column, and not so much an independant test

And everything I've seen about ceramic has been more favorable than normal pads. I don't need racing stuff, I don't need carbon-ceramic, I don't need slotted or drilled rotors, and I don't need a caliper upgrade. I'm just gonna get a set of ceramic pads and some vented rotors....and of course some brake fluid

And MAYYYYYBE, if I'm persuasive enough, a brake-bleeding kit. Otherwise, I'm gonna make the wife smash the brake pedal, and my father-in-law to keep the fluid topped off while I manually bleed

 

[meicalnissyen]

Ferrous basically means that it is a metal that contains iron. So they are saying that there are metals within the brake pad that have iron in their chemical makeup.

I do agree that was an interesting read.

it is good to read. They do a bit of self contradiction there if you read into it, that part about cheaper pads using alot of steel fibers in the mix to aid heat transfer? that would be another source of iron measured in the dust.

since steel has a significant amount of iron in its chemical makeup ;-)

 

[WillD]

I agree they make good stuff....but that's damn near an opinion column, and not so much an independant test

And everything I've seen about ceramic has been more favorable than normal pads. I don't need racing stuff, I don't need carbon-ceramic, I don't need slotted or drilled rotors, and I don't need a caliper upgrade. I'm just gonna get a set of ceramic pads and some vented rotors....and of course some brake fluid

And MAYYYYYBE, if I'm persuasive enough, a brake-bleeding kit. Otherwise, I'm gonna make the wife smash the brake pedal, and my father-in-law to keep the fluid topped off while I manually bleed

Yeah definitely not an independent test

www.speedbleeder.com makes a great replacement bleeder valve that you can just open up and pump the brakes without sucking air into your brake lines. $28 + shipping will get you enough for the whole car. And no need to recruit the wife! I ended up getting a set of these after my girlfriend started complaining too much about helping me bleed my brakes.

it is good to read. They do a bit of self contradiction there if you read into it, that part about cheaper pads using alot of steel fibers in the mix to aid heat transfer? that would be another source of iron measured in the dust.

since steel has a significant amount of iron in its chemical makeup ;-)

They definitely do. I'm not agreeing with the part that says that more of the brake dust comes from the rotor. I simply cannot believe that when I look at all the pad material that has been used compared to rotor material.