Question about Honda 2.0 vs Mazda 2.0

[Gen1GT]

I long for a honda rod ratio..

It CAN be improved...Jamie is proof of that...

 

[yellerandahalf]

i just want to say that this thread is both awesome and hearbreaking.
1) awesome, because I haven't seen so many pure facts and real discussion in a thread in a long time (isn't that really supposed to be the point of a forum?)
2)danget, why the **** did i like Beau convince me to buy longer rods?!?!?!


Question: Where can I find more information about mazda gearboxes in general? This H-series box sounds very interesting. I'm guessing it won't bolt up to the FS block though. Steve @ NSN said there's a possibility of the 3's box mounting up though. That'd be hot. (im almost certain the gears do swap at least).
-Mateo

 

[Gen1GT]

Nearly any tranny can bolt up to nearly any engine with the right modifications.

 

[yellerandahalf]

Nearly any tranny can bolt up to nearly any engine with the right modifications.

heh, good call. I assume that means you know that the 'holes don't line up for the bolts'. What I do wonder is if an adaptor plate might be made or something like that. Any ideas? Might anyone possibly have any diagrams for the bolt patterns of engines/trannies?

 

[Gen1GT]

You'll just have to find the right specialty shop that can make the adapter plate, maybe custom axles...

 

[Leppy]

I know i'm not putting much into the content of this thread, but for some reason i'm compelled to comment. I've had my N/A FS-DE in my 03 LX, and traded it in for a K20a3 powered Si. there is SO much difference in the two with throttle responce, how it handles basic bolt-ons, the sound it makes, etc... The differences are huge, and the K-series just seems so much cleaner and more refined than the FS.

those who don't know, the K20a3 is the 160hp/130 version of the K-series with a 9.8:1 compression. I'm actually planning to get a K20a swap w/ a six speed down the road soon. It's the 220 crank HP version with close to a 9k redline and an 11.5:1 compression ratio.

The RSX-S K20a2 and the K20z3 in the new 06 Si (which are the same minus the intake mani and crankshaft) have an 11.0:1 ratio pumping 200hp.

The bore and stroke on all K-series are the same, but the differences are in i-VTEC programming/camshafts, compression, and the flow of the head.

I only wish my FS could do what the K-series does stock. Not trying to start something, but it seems to take a turbo FS to keep up with a stock K20.

And there are K24 variants that produce the same horsepower, but because of the displacement, create more torque than the K20's. A boosted K24 is a torque monster...

Anyway.. yeah... Maybe I did contribute more than I thought I would.

 

[RedAstina]

Well, an FS-DE is about as basic as a japanese engine from the 1990's comes (the original F-engine was from '79!) and you're comparing it to what is often regarded as the best 4cyl engine ever made (F20 excepted?) with all the usual honda trimmings?! i would hope its a damn sight better.

 

[twilightprotege]

there's still hope for the age old fs - i hope to get into the 14.7's this weekend and i'm no where near at the limits of the engine.

however i still look forward to f20b @ 10000rpm and 11's

 

[Installshield 2]

I put months into an FS and only mustered as much bhp as a stock k20a...and there is very little room for me to squeeze more power out...even when I finally get ahold of my ems...The ridiculous primary works of art that the brits put on K20 installed in Elises are the stuff of legends...just a header that alone adds nearly 50hp to it...and in the end leaving a very streetable 300whp NA 2.0L with a lot less work put into it than one would think...

The k20's are the best 4cyls made in my opinion...and I would put them even higher than the F20's(way more peaky, and just a hondata allows the K20a2 to rev as high with nearly identical output)...I actually disliked the A3's in the Si's (no offense), but my neighbor still has a white RSX-S and it is the most fun FWD car I have ever driven...

 

[Leppy]

The k20's are the best 4cyls made in my opinion...and I would put them even higher than the F20's(way more peaky, and just a hondata allows the K20a2 to rev as high with nearly identical output)...I actually disliked the A3's in the Si's (no offense), but my neighbor still has a white RSX-S and it is the most fun FWD car I have ever driven...

None taken, I don't particularly care for the a3 as compaired to the K20a or a2, but still, the a3 outperformes the n/a FS. Even though they say it's got no torque, it's still got 132, which is about the same as the FS.

besides, the engine I wanna swap will actually be a K20a block with Cosworth headwork and Hondata. And yes, Cosworth is finally doing work on Honda K-series.

 

[yellerandahalf]

yeah, they finally severed from ford and are striking out on their own to amazing success...I ought to call them up and see what they could do with my head...
-Mateo

 

[solid_snake]

damn, i only have the d16y8 125hp 1.6L SOHC VTEC(deadhorse

after reading this now want a K20z3, or at least a B16A8 DOHC vtec, LOL
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