Protege5: Harder, not Smarter!

interesting...

How can you bond two pieces of bamboo together and still retain the structural rigidity? How can you guarantee that there are no flaws or micro fractures?

Well, on the newest and greatest racing bikes, they are building carbon joints which the bamboo poles are fitted into. Some of the lightest racing bikes are not made from carbon frames anymore, but a mixture of carbon and bamboo. This is fairly recent and I have a big hunch its going to become really big in the next few years. I have no idea how you can guarantee their are no flaws, like I said there's still a a lot of debate about bamboo as a building material in the U.S.

About the caging, yea I'm kind of holding off on that for now just because I dread doing it so much. I'll probably end up designing it, and then have a friend in a welding college weld it for me. So much to work with before I get to that point, so I'm not worried...yet.

Called someone today about buying a "blown" p5 motor for 50$ on craigslist. He said someone was picking it up in 10 minutes. Damnit!!!!

OH, and heres a picture referring to how they build the bamboo bikes. This is exactly how I would also do it.
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I have too many sets of tires....phew.

Making more space in my garage, moved 4 sets of tires (just for the p5)

Need more space for fiberglassing setup, gonna be listing my sunroof/interior plastic parts for sale soon. Toss me a PM if your interested in anything before I make the thread. I have the entire interior, its in very good shape. Most of it has been sitting in my closet for over 2 years unused. Sunroof is in good condition as well, works well. I got the stock radio, steering wheel, all airbags, stock front and rear seats in good shape. Got brand new foglights that I installed but never used but for maybe 5 minutes as well. Basically, if your in need for anything off a stock protege5, I more than likely have it for sale except for roof racks.

My Tokico Whites + Eibach springs also for sale if I get a decent offer, not trying to get them lowballed. They are amazing and if I could have gotten the car lower with them, I would have kept them, best setup I've ever ridden on.

I'm planning on driving my truck while I rebuild basically everything on the entire car. Been very busy the last few weeks, but I'm gonna get the ball rolling now.
 
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Very interesting info on the bamboo. Never knew it could be applied to the automotive environment.
 
Very interesting info on the bamboo. Never knew it could be applied to the automotive environment.

Theirs a car being built right now with a bamboo interior. But as far as I know they haven't used it for anything besides the interior. Dash, seat frames, cosmetic panels.
 
Gonna hit up 4 pull-a-parts tomorrow in search of some parts. Finally pulled the trigger on a vacuum pump as well. Now...just for a welder...

I'm in need of a spare head/intake manifold and possibly some body panels if there decent enough looking. Might grab some side mirrors if I spot something that catches my eye. I'm fairly tempted to build a single carbon fiber mirror for my drivers side...cops started getting really picky recently, have had a ton of friends get busted for loud exhaust this month (and mine is WAYYYY louder) so I don't wanna give them one more thing to go after. Also need a longer wiper arm assembly among a few other things.

Not that I'll be driving it anytime soon....anyways...I like pull-a-parts, never know what you'll find.
 
Great read man. I've been through every page over the last few weeks reading this stuff. As a mechanical engineer, i'm impressed that someone is taking the time to actually design some aerodynamics for these cars...or at least seems to be very interested in it...

One dream of mine for years has been around a 'fan protege'...Speaking of rear diffusers and upper and lower air speeds, its surprisingly simple when you're not restricted by racing regulations (if that is the case for you)...

A way to make IMMEDIATE down force is with scavenger fans located under the car...you can theoretically have 14.7 psi of pressure pushing down on the car...while not even moving. Multiply 14.7 by the parallel surface area of the p5...and that is some serious weight. Not thread jacking, but have you ever considered some of this?

It would take a front lip of some sort to get close to the road, and provide an air dam effect that keeps under car air speed low...on its own, that is what you don't want, but by using multiple ducting fans and some tubing with various inlets and two outlets at the rear (used in conjunction with your diffuser design)...you could pull out a lot of air underneath the car, even while moving at high speed...the outlets would also push through your diffuser, creating the same venturi effect that exotic car makers have been attempting for 20 years.

a front of air dam, some side skirt extensions, and a way to seal off the hood...while also using some sort of skid plate under the engine to prevent radiator wash from getting under the car....and look at some industrial supply designs for duct fans...the cfm rates of some of those things is outrageous, and require very little current. A handful of those in the right places with a simple, separate power source...and you're car will hug the road more than nearly anything out there.

There is a reason that nearly every sanctioned form of racing will hand you your hat when you mention anything related to a fan car...its stupid simple, relatively cheap, and ridiculously 'unfair' for racing haha. Its also the magic of 'free' downforce without drag, something that is impossible without cheating. It'll make the car hug the road like a 4,000+lb pig...but change speed and direction like the ~2300lb car you have...even at very low speeds. I'm only partially serious, but has it ever crossed your mind? I know, too, that it goes against the weight savings...but it could be pretty sick nonetheless...
 
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Has it crossed my mind? Absolutely!
Banned in every racing series I've ever seen? Absolutely.
That must mean it works? Absolutely...

Will I ever try it......mmmmmm....well, never say never, I was reading some stuff about it the other day as a matter of fact.

I don't actually race the car in an actual series, so I'm free to do whatever I please as far as mods go. Basically just a track day monster, theres some loophole classes in certain places where you can run unlimited stuff, but I figure those are all 1500 HP qaud turbo V16 pwnmobile 5000's with 500,000$ cars and huge teams. As of right now, I could still fit into SCCA street modified for sure. So....I'll answer with a...maybe. I do think its a neat idea though, I really do.

Their are downsides ofc, my father was building racecars in the 70's-80's at the time with some pretty big names, and he was around to see all the crazy stuff they did. He was talking about how the new fan cars needed tremendously more weight for their fan/power setups, and then they were spitting road debris into the cars behind them because that's where the air vents were. They were shooting out windshields with rock chips and creating dust clouds behind them so thick people couldn't pass them. Anyways... I could talk all day about this stuff but I gotta head out and breeze my butt off in the snow under some protege's.
 
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Scored a 4-1 header, Intake Manifold and a gas door cover. Say your prayers manifold, I'm gonna butcher you in the name of science.
 
Nice, another hypermiler.

I mildly hypermile, P&G, DWL, etc. but my wife drives the car 75% of the time so there's only so much I can do lol. But she prefers driving stick and that's all I can ask for.

Do you EOC?
 
something cool! ;)

i'd go out on a limb and say ITBs but that's completely wrong. I don't really know what the heck an ITB looks like...

more guesses then I wanna know!!! :)
 
so i guess i do know what they look like ;)

I take it you had them custom done? They look very nice. If you don't mind me asking, what are the benifits to running that kind of setup?

aside from, i should think, better airflow?
 
so i guess i do know what they look like ;)

I take it you had them custom done? They look very nice. If you don't mind me asking, what are the benifits to running that kind of setup?

aside from, i should think, better airflow?

Better airflow, and I will be making carbon fiber bellmouths once I get the car on a dyno, so I can tune the runner lengths to my car what whatever RPM band I want.

Probably gonna weigh a ton less as well...
 
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Nice, another hypermiler.

I mildly hypermile, P&G, DWL, etc. but my wife drives the car 75% of the time so there's only so much I can do lol. But she prefers driving stick and that's all I can ask for.

Do you EOC?


What's with the abbreviations? Some of us have no idea what those mean.
 
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and I can fully see the weight redux! When I took my intake mani off, I was surprised at how much it weighed!

Do you mind possibly clarifying what the abbreviations mean?? You don't have to if you're not up to it, Google is our friend after all. lol,

EOC to me seems, by your response, like turning the car off on the dead straights but the problem with that being that, if the column locks in a turn, you're in trouble. But then again, I don't actually know what that means!
 
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