Price Costs for Turbo

[Matthew1785]

Can it be done to a automatic?

How much is it going to cost me?

Can Ken from protege garage do it? "silly question of course he can"

Can you tell me how much of a improvement in engine performance im going to see?

Thankyou

forgot to mention its a 03 p5

 

[kytuner]

Thats a loaded question. There are a lot of answers, but most are based on opinions. How much gain are you looking for, how reliable do you want it?
If you are willing to sacrifice performance for simplicity then it should be relatively cheap, i.e. msp kit.

 

[Matthew1785]

Thats a loaded question. There are a lot of answers, but most are based on opinions. How much gain are you looking for, how reliable do you want it?
If you are willing to sacrifice performance for simplicity then it should be relatively cheap, i.e. msp kit.

MSP kit? im sorry i really dont know to much about cars, "a computer tech" ok lets put it this way what engine modifications could be done to increase horsepower, such as a custom intake manifold??

 

[Little Beavis]

Cost is up to you. . .there are a lot of people that can "do it".
And if you're in the south suburbs. . .I'm in Plainfield and I'd be happy to take you for a ride. . .even with low boost and winter tires, I'm sure you'd be impressed. Let me know.

Can it be done to a automatic?

How much is it going to cost me?

Can Ken from protege garage do it? "silly question of course he can"

Can you tell me how much of a improvement in engine performance im going to see?

Thankyou

 

[bazooka joe]

• it's not cheap...4K roughly when your all said and done
• auto - yes (i have an auto)
• can't use an msp ecu because of the tranny (auto..msp manual)
• i haven't had any reliability issues with the "turboing" of my car...the MAM mani crapped out on me, but overall the car runs great, it's fun (i have the MPI, and it's not easy to tune with an auto tranny) i keep it under 5psi and don't do neutral drops or beat on it. when i need the extra powere...bam..it's there! it's not the same car (especially because it is an auto)

 

[Kansei]

Thats a loaded question. There are a lot of answers, but most are based on opinions. How much gain are you looking for, how reliable do you want it?
If you are willing to sacrifice performance for simplicity then it should be relatively cheap, i.e. msp kit.

MSP kit will still run you at least 2,000 dollars (for used parts) and that's assuming you already have an aftermarket exhaust on the car. There's no cheap way to do it, ESPECIALLY if you don't know people who can help you with the stuff you are new to.

 

[Matthew1785]

Cost is up to you. . .there are a lot of people that can "do it".
And if you're in the south suburbs. . .I'm in Plainfield and I'd be happy to take you for a ride. . .even with low boost and winter tires, I'm sure you'd be impressed. Let me know.

without a doubt man! im free saturdays and sundays lol

 

[bazooka joe]

MSP kit will still run you at least 2,000 dollars (fur used parts) and that's assuming you already have an aftermarket exhaust on the car. There's no cheap way to do it, ESPECIALLY if you don't know people who can help you with the stuff you are new to.

fur....funny!

 

[Matthew1785]

ok so, i dont got 4k to spend what are my best options for improving hp and engine performance without going over 2k cause its going to happen summer of 07 also that magnaflow exhust on that type S "little_bevis" u just made my ears have an orgasim, i want my car to sound like that LOL

 

[bazooka joe]

ok so, i dont got 4k to spend what are my best options for improving hp and engine performance without going over 2k cause its going to happen summer of 07 also that magnaflow exhust on that type S "little_bevis" u just made my ears have an orgasim, i want my car to sound like that LOL

my experience, you can spend less than 2k, but your gains HP will be modest at best...the real bang for the buck is turbo (but this is 4K+)
exhaust, intake, maybe an mp3 ecu (10hp), some cams...but i still think you'll only get 20+- hp....? jmo

 

[Kansei]

fur....funny!

don't mess with my turbo made of used fur.

So yeah.. less than 2k budget?
(all prices are new parts unless otherwise noted)
$250-ish - obx (or thunder) header
$250-ish - protegegarage catted midpipe
$450-ish racing beat catback (this combo is not too loud)
$70-100eBay intake (or a ractive or something.. if you're looking for value don't spend the money for the CARB approved injen unless you have to (i.e. you live in california)). just make sure to replace the filter with a decent one ASAP.
$200 (used) MP3 ECU
$250? no idea don't remember fs-ze intake cam
$0.00 removal of VTCS (free!)
$140 with belts - RR Racing underdrive pulley.
$70? - AWR Front Motor Mount

trust me.. I had that whole list of parts.. and the car feels really awesome and sounds great. Now I have all of that minus the MP3 ecu. The car felt flat at high RPMs without the MP3 ecu, but after doing the VTCS removal it seems to pull nice and hard (surprisingly so) from 5-6k RPMs.

 

[Kansei]

This thread reminds be precisely of why our cars could benefit from a supercharger kit. 160whp nonintercooled with a centrifugal blower isn't bad at all. Even though you still need to spend ~1000 dollars on an exhaust, it would still probably be cheaper. I think that 160whp was on stock ECU/tuning but not 110% certain.

 

[Matthew1785]

don't mess with my turbo made of used fur.

So yeah.. less than 2k budget?
(all prices are new parts unless otherwise noted)
$250-ish - obx (or thunder) header
$250-ish - protegegarage catted midpipe
$450-ish racing beat catback (this combo is not too loud)
$70-100eBay intake (or a ractive or something.. if you're looking for value don't spend the money for the CARB approved injen unless you have to (i.e. you live in california)). just make sure to replace the filter with a decent one ASAP.
$200 (used) MP3 ECU
$250? no idea don't remember fs-ze intake cam
$0.00 removal of VTCS (free!)
$140 with belts - RR Racing underdrive pulley.
$70? - AWR Front Motor Mount

trust me.. I had that whole list of parts.. and the car feels really awesome and sounds great. Now I have all of that minus the MP3 ecu. The car felt flat at high RPMs without the MP3 ecu, but after doing the VTCS removal it seems to pull nice and hard (surprisingly so) from 5-6k RPMs.

Thankyou for listing these for me. man im going to sound like a dumbass but whats a catted midpipe, VTCS etc.. i really appologize. but i have a plan this summer to blow my friends stock civic SI out of the water. Doing what needs to be done to engine sounds awesome and great. but i personally would like some clarification on what it is i am going to have installed and uninstalled

 

[Jubomime]

exhaust comes in sections: front,mid,rear. Cat refers to catalytic converter. Is your friend's SI the new one? That will be hard to beat without turbo, I think, and cheating too since the SI is non-turbo.. but good luck.

 

[Kansei]

Oh yeah sorry didn't realize how new you were. Stock Civic SI? what year?

The midpipe is the piece of the exhaust between the header and the cat-back. "catted" = with a high flow catalytic converter so you aren't screwing up the beauty of nature by going cat-less

VTCS is a tumble control mechanism in our intake manifolds designed to reduce cold start emissions. It's butterfly valves chillin in the intake manifold though blocking airflow, pretty annoying. It isn't a simple bolt-on install though if you haven't ripped off an intake manifold before.

Underdrive pulley replaces the pulley on the end of the crank that drives all the belts. It is lightweight with a slightly smaller diameter and underdrives all the accessories (alternator, power steering, a/c pump, etc) to reduce load on the engine. It sounds like it could cause problems and on some cars they do. On our cars, no issue really. I've had mine for probably 30,000 miles now no issue. You'll need an impact wrench to do the install though.. other than that it's pretty easy.

The intake cam can be done without removing the crank pulley in theory but I had to get the pulley off so it was a bit more of a process (needing to retime the engine, etc). Re-timing the engine isn't anything to worry too much about with these cars because they have noninterference engine.

The MP3 ECU is the ecu Mazda made for the Protege MP3. It advances the timing, which is what gave the MP3 140hp instead of the 130hp the Protege5 has. It requires premium fuel to get the gains. If you use a lower fuel grade it just retards timing back to the what the Protege5 has basically.

Things not to waste your money on with these cars include:
1. bosche spark plugs.. they cause misfires. Just stick with the cheapo (8 bucks or so for the set) NGK copper plugs, either the stock BKR5F-11 or the JDM-spec long reach plugs, the ZFR5F-11.
2. Spark plug wires -- oem for the win. or NGK, which I think the OEM ones were anyway.

I was able to pull pretty nicely on 99 Civic SI with the mods listed. Civic had a catback and intake.

If you need any other info let me know.. I'm on here way too much so even stuff that I don't have experience with I've gathered knowledge on

 

[AlaskaP5]

How about putting money into the suspension and tires. This car is almost a completely different beast when the suspension and tires are perfected.

 

[Matthew1785]

Oh yeah sorry didn't realize how new you were. Stock Civic SI? what year?

The midpipe is the piece of the exhaust between the header and the cat-back. "catted" = with a high flow catalytic converter so you aren't screwing up the beauty of nature by going cat-less

VTCS is a tumble control mechanism in our intake manifolds designed to reduce cold start emissions. It's butterfly valves chillin in the intake manifold though blocking airflow, pretty annoying. It isn't a simple bolt-on install though if you haven't ripped off an intake manifold before.

Underdrive pulley replaces the pulley on the end of the crank that drives all the belts. It is lightweight with a slightly smaller diameter and underdrives all the accessories (alternator, power steering, a/c pump, etc) to reduce load on the engine. It sounds like it could cause problems and on some cars they do. On our cars, no issue really. I've had mine for probably 30,000 miles now no issue. You'll need an impact wrench to do the install though.. other than that it's pretty easy.

The intake cam can be done without removing the crank pulley in theory but I had to get the pulley off so it was a bit more of a process (needing to retime the engine, etc). Re-timing the engine isn't anything to worry too much about with these cars because they have noninterference engine.

The MP3 ECU is the ecu Mazda made for the Protege MP3. It advances the timing, which is what gave the MP3 140hp instead of the 130hp the Protege5 has. It requires premium fuel to get the gains. If you use a lower fuel grade it just retards timing back to the what the Protege5 has basically.

Things not to waste your money on with these cars include:
1. bosche spark plugs.. they cause misfires. Just stick with the cheapo (8 bucks or so for the set) NGK copper plugs, either the stock BKR5F-11 or the JDM-spec long reach plugs, the ZFR5F-11.
2. Spark plug wires -- oem for the win. or NGK, which I think the OEM ones were anyway.

I was able to pull pretty nicely on 99 Civic SI with the mods listed. Civic had a catback and intake.

If you need any other info let me know.. I'm on here way too much so even stuff that I don't have experience with I've gathered knowledge on

thanks of course i wouldnt be doing the work i'd probably take it to a professional however the civic is a 2004 si the 2 door hackback version or is it the 2005 hes got 160 under the hood stock. and his is a manual with no mods

 

[Matthew1785]

How about putting money into the suspension and tires. This car is almost a completely different beast when the suspension and tires are perfected.

oh no doubt i got a pair of toyo proxes 195/50/16's but i wouldnt add suspension till i had the engine worked on i just got done talking with my g/f about it "cause we live together" and were going to do modding to both my 03MP5 and her 2004 40th Anniversary Mustang this summer once bills get down

 

[vicham]

• it's not cheap...4K roughly when your all said and done
• auto - yes (i have an auto)
• can't use an msp ecu because of the tranny (auto..msp manual)
• i haven't had any reliability issues with the "turboing" of my car...the MAM mani crapped out on me, but overall the car runs great, it's fun (i have the MPI, and it's not easy to tune with an auto tranny) i keep it under 5psi and don't do neutral drops or beat on it. when i need the extra powere...bam..it's there! it's not the same car (especially because it is an auto)

then wut ECU should be used for automatic P5??? the stock P5 ECU won't work rite???
Also, how much hp gain from less than 5 psi of boost???
If i install the MSP kit, is it possible for auto p5 to hv the same performance as a stock MSP without sacrificing reliability much???
cos im not looking for big power like 350+whp......all i need is something like 170hp just like a stock MSP
sorry to be a threadjacker^^

 

[ChopstickHero]

slapping the MSP turbo kit onto an auto P5 will not be reliable. first, you won't be able to boost very much because the tranny can't take the added stress for a long period of time. and if your tranny can take the stress, it won't last very long. a built tranny is expensive. a stock MSP will be able to beat it no problem. you might as well look for a used MSP and trade your current car in. if you have an auto P5, you have no choice but to use your stock ECU b/c it's programmed for shifting, i don't think an MSP ecu will work. you will need some other type of engine management or piggyback to tune it. there are plenty of examples of boosted auto P5s on this forum. do some research.