how high of a boost will your system go?...... if the engine is rebuilt to withstand higher boost and nos..... will your system be able to be reprogrammed? right now you have the biggest turbo so i am going to buy your system soon but i want higher boost.
preliminary pics of Perfworks setup
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hehe "higher boost" doesn't everyone want higher boost. I hope you are forging internals as we speak because running as high of boost as it sounds like, AND addind nitrous, you could easily join our blown engine club on this forum...
So Nick, you can customize the fuel maps for our specific application? So if i wanted one map to be good up to 8, then another to be good up to 11, both running 91 octane piss because i won't ever run race gas i don't think, you could do that no problem?
So Nick, you can customize the fuel maps for our specific application? So if i wanted one map to be good up to 8, then another to be good up to 11, both running 91 octane piss because i won't ever run race gas i don't think, you could do that no problem?
Zooooooooooom said:
Well, he is making a kit with forged internals
http://www.protege5.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22842
"Stage III. This is a very serious design. this kit will include forged internals and LSD tranny. I WILL NOT go into specifics about this kit unless someone is seriously interested. This is the kind of kit you install for racing only. Not to say it wont be streetable , just not recommended. We have a kit that will put out over 550 HP for a street driven vehicle to start."
what perf's been up to
I was at the shop last night, took a bunch of new pics - even a movie. But I'm on my way out, so I'll post the rest later when I get back. I'm learning stuff everytime I go to the shop, Perf and Nick - you rule. Oh, and I left my damned Macromedia Studio MX book there, so I'll try to swing by to pick it up later.
I'll post the pics soon. For now, here's just one.
I wanted to drop more power into Perf's p5. I guess there isn't as much room as I thought there was. I tried lowering it slowly, couldn't quite get the angle right though.
take a look at the pic
Other possible things I could have said:
"When you look underneath, then you see what really powers these things".
"I swear man, I don't know where it came from, I put it up on the lift, and that just fell out."
"Double your pleasure, double your fun."
"Ok, now bring it down SLOWLY."
I was at the shop last night, took a bunch of new pics - even a movie. But I'm on my way out, so I'll post the rest later when I get back. I'm learning stuff everytime I go to the shop, Perf and Nick - you rule. Oh, and I left my damned Macromedia Studio MX book there, so I'll try to swing by to pick it up later.
I'll post the pics soon. For now, here's just one.
I wanted to drop more power into Perf's p5. I guess there isn't as much room as I thought there was. I tried lowering it slowly, couldn't quite get the angle right though.
take a look at the pic
Other possible things I could have said:
"When you look underneath, then you see what really powers these things".
"I swear man, I don't know where it came from, I put it up on the lift, and that just fell out."
"Double your pleasure, double your fun."
"Ok, now bring it down SLOWLY."
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duMb KeoLa
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anyword on the avail..price...dyno??? sorry, ive been away for a while and its gonna take some time to read all the posts....thanks
OK ALL LISTEN UP
We have finally tuned the beast for the first time with the new fuel and timing maps for boost. We have some issues.
Not that pertain to the kit in regards to problems but we learned how well the motor can process the aircharge along with the intercooler we designed and a HUGE compressor whell and housing. She spools UP REAL FAST. SHE HOLDS boost really well.The problem is that the density of the aircharge at 8psi with this monster is similar to about 13psi on a smaller t3 compressor. With the stock fuel pump and injectors she runs lean at around 9-10 psi. fine around 5-6 but she cant take more than that.
AGAIN THIS IS ONLY WITH MY SETUP. DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH ANY KIT OUT THERE OR MINE.
At the rate of 6-8psi from the turbo we are not getting enough fuel pressure to the injectors to increase the enrichment needed to run more boost. She was only at about 50 psi fuel pressure at 8psi boost. THATS BAD. So we are going to install a rising rate regulator in line to increase fuel pressure ONLY. Then the piggyback will controll the duty cycle of the injectors thru feedback we get thruA/F ratio reading on the O2 sensor circuit.
Any way she runs really strong and we have alot more tuning to go. So with that being said the fuel maps we are making for the kits will HAVE to vary. We are going to tune Joe p's MSP so we can set fuel and timing maps. This along with micah's and a few other MP3's and P5's will also be tuned so we can have maps for everyone. Including the right maps for the kits.
Now PLEASE if your interested in a kit there are three stages. We will revise theses kits today.
I am posting it in my thread i started last week on the structure of the kits.http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22842
All the info you need please post there. I will update it today with the specifics that will be in each kit . Stage three will be an all out race motor and trans drop in. I did not mention too much on it yet but that particular kit will have a motor, trans, and turbo with complete exhaust able to handle over 550 HP. It will be a drop in unit. In other words you take out your motor and trans and you drop in what we give you. It will be a turn key operation.
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Thanks for your time and please check out the other thread some time tonight once i get a chance to revise it.
We have finally tuned the beast for the first time with the new fuel and timing maps for boost. We have some issues.
Not that pertain to the kit in regards to problems but we learned how well the motor can process the aircharge along with the intercooler we designed and a HUGE compressor whell and housing. She spools UP REAL FAST. SHE HOLDS boost really well.The problem is that the density of the aircharge at 8psi with this monster is similar to about 13psi on a smaller t3 compressor. With the stock fuel pump and injectors she runs lean at around 9-10 psi. fine around 5-6 but she cant take more than that.
AGAIN THIS IS ONLY WITH MY SETUP. DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH ANY KIT OUT THERE OR MINE.
At the rate of 6-8psi from the turbo we are not getting enough fuel pressure to the injectors to increase the enrichment needed to run more boost. She was only at about 50 psi fuel pressure at 8psi boost. THATS BAD. So we are going to install a rising rate regulator in line to increase fuel pressure ONLY. Then the piggyback will controll the duty cycle of the injectors thru feedback we get thruA/F ratio reading on the O2 sensor circuit.
Any way she runs really strong and we have alot more tuning to go. So with that being said the fuel maps we are making for the kits will HAVE to vary. We are going to tune Joe p's MSP so we can set fuel and timing maps. This along with micah's and a few other MP3's and P5's will also be tuned so we can have maps for everyone. Including the right maps for the kits.
Now PLEASE if your interested in a kit there are three stages. We will revise theses kits today.
I am posting it in my thread i started last week on the structure of the kits.http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22842
All the info you need please post there. I will update it today with the specifics that will be in each kit . Stage three will be an all out race motor and trans drop in. I did not mention too much on it yet but that particular kit will have a motor, trans, and turbo with complete exhaust able to handle over 550 HP. It will be a drop in unit. In other words you take out your motor and trans and you drop in what we give you. It will be a turn key operation.
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Thanks for your time and please check out the other thread some time tonight once i get a chance to revise it.
Little Beavis
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So, is it impossible for the piggyback to change timing as boost increases (say dial up a degree for every psi). I'm still failing to understand why you need other maps if you could set everything based upon the psi. Sorry if I'm being stupid (probably am. . .long day).
Little Beavis
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I believe it has two maps and they switch easily with the flick of a switch. . .but the other question. . .now that's a tough one.
yes, but it's not too convienent to pull out a laptop at a red light. From my understanding, there will be a simple two position switch. You can set this to whatever two fuel maps you want. Mine will most likely be set to 5-6 and 7-8 psi.
(sung to the Chili's commercial song)
"I want my piggyback piggyback piggyback....."
(sung to the Chili's commercial song)
"I want my piggyback piggyback piggyback....."
Little Beavis said:
Depending on your set up the piggyback will come tuned for that particular set up.
For example, If you have stock internals and a kit from someone else running an fmu , stock pump, stock injectors , you will need to stay around 8 psi. ( this is an example every one will vary) the unit will be tuned up to THAT PSI LEVEL. Now if you dont go to 8psi the unit will adjust the fuel and ignition normally like any ecu. Cool so we understand up to here right!
(not to confuse but if you increase the MBC to a higher level you are taking a risk that you will be running lean NOT because the piggy wasnt set to it BUT BECAUSE YOUR STOCK FUEL SYSTEM MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP UP)Now the reason there are two different maps is because (for example) lets say your out with the family or someone borrows your car, you can WITHOUT USING A LAPTOP flick the switch and go to around (for example ) 4 psi. You may want to drive all day at that level and only go to 8psi when your racing or just whenever. Its just a perk. If we tune your particular piggy back for 8 psi then if you go to the track, get some 116 octane in the tank. Then we can have a (for example) 10psi map to conform with the higher octane and BETTER IGNITION MAP TO SUIT THE 116. When you flick the switch to go to the "race track" map you will have optimal fuel and timing maps for that particular octane of fuel. That way your using the power potential of the fuel you are putting into the vehicle. As you all know 116 can handle higher cylinder pressures so it wont detonate at the same level as pump gas. Therefore allowing more timing lead so you can develop more power earlier in the power stroke . This will push down on the piston HARDER and develop more torque.
Hope this helps clear things up. BTW you dont have to install the switch , it is just an option like power rear windows for a neon
This isalso correct. The piggy will have the ability to hold two maps on its own. You can have an unlimited amount of tune maps on your laptop and convert them over whenevr possible. I dont recomend anyone tuning on there own though unless they know what they are doing. This unit was meant for ease yes but its like a standalone, The unit will need professional assistance to adjust. We offer that when you buy the unit. We will lend all the support needed over the internet or any means of comunication possible.KzA said:
BTW i didnt add up to the top post. The other advantage to the two map theory is that when you want to go to inspection, you can go to N/A map for ease on emmision regulation.
