Poor man's FSZE dyno test results

[Gro Harlem]

I just saw this on the evil "other" board and thought i'd post it.

It is edwins 01' Pro ES 2.0 with these mods: FS-ZE intake cam, FS-ZE MazdaSpeed exhaust cam, FS-ZE intake manifold, HKS Super Megaflow Intake.


on 3rd run it got 111.4 hp and 111.7 torque
there was a 2whp gain when the headlights were turned off and the second run showed the most torque at 112.2

Pretty good power bands too


pictures of dyno charts located at the thread here: http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18995

 

[LinuxRacr]

Kool Ed! Way to put that FS-ZE Intake Manifold to use with other FS-ZE parts. Should be pretty close with a stock MP3 now.

 

[freekwonder]

how different is the mp3 intake manifold from the J-spec. I cant remember its been a while since it was mentioned. I though they were the same. Looked like the MAx torque didnt change. but the torque doesnt fall off like it did before i like that.

 

[big_ben]

Damn, he's gonna hurt his neck with that kind of power.

 

[Kooldino]

:-/ I'm really not impressed. That's a lot of work for not much power.

 

[big_ben]

It's actually funny that some people think there is power to be gained in this motor with NA. Unless you have a sponsor that is willing to pay close to $100,000, you WILL NOT see any power gains that's worth it.

 

[APEXistud]

The difference between the MP3 and and all the other proteges is the ECU. FM Protege has documented this with their dyno result. Now that you have the cams, intake manifold, and intake. It's time for the turbo.

 

[kcbhiw]

It's actually funny that some people think there is power to be gained in this motor with NA. Unless you have a sponsor that is willing to pay close to $100,000, you WILL NOT see any power gains that's worth it.

Naa, all you really need is about 20k, go talk to the guys at Sunbelt Motors. Their engines are putting out over 200hp At the crank NA and can be had for about $17,000, heh.

 

[70]

how different is the mp3 intake manifold from the J-spec. I cant remember its been a while since it was mentioned. I though they were the same. Looked like the MAx torque didnt change. but the torque doesnt fall off like it did before i like that.

The intake manifold on the MP3 does not have the VTCS. And the FS-ZE has a little plastic chamber on top of it which actually helps move the power band up a little and make a smoother torque curve (if I remember right)...

And ten horsepower is pretty nice for those mods, plus look at the area under the curve, it is better than stock on those charts. He made power with small mods, it shows that N/A is a viable option, particularly once the header issue is solved.

I'd argue that Edwin's set up is a pretty nice car. Sure its not going to make "turbo" land kinds of power, but it is better than nothing, and a hell of a lot better than stock.

 

[big_ben]

go talk to the guys at Sunbelt Motors.

Too bad none of those parts are for sale. I've already looked into the carrillo rods from the mazda motorsports site, none of the race parts are for sale to the general public.

 

[freekwonder]

The intake manifold on the MP3 does not have the VTCS. And the FS-ZE has a little plastic chamber on top of it which actually helps move the power band up a little and make a smoother torque curve (if I remember right)...

from what I read the FS-ZE manifold doesnt have teh VTCS either. so the only difference would the little black box, which probably helps the power, but not for 530 bucks from corksport. Ill just get the cams.

 

[Pro5OnSpeed]

i am sorry people hate to see the protege go N/A. or thats what it seems like. turbo this turbo that. i like turbos too but if i had my choice i would go N/A with mine. the only problem is our ECU. unfortuneately many people have tried cracking it to no avail, yet if it was programmable or replaceable i am certain there would be an influx of N/A mods.

the reason i like n/a is the pure sound and vibration of the motor, and there is nothing like that in the world. but like with every n/a mod there is a whole lot of work involved, and sometimes there isnt alot of HP that goes with it, certainly not the kind you would get with a bolt on turbo. but the little things do add up, and its the journey that is what matters in my mind.

 

[SilverProtege5]

There is a Probe guy that swaped in an FS-ZE and i think at last glance he had something like 150hp to the ground, so I think it is possible.

You guys are right the ECU is to blame here, not the motor.

 

[70]

It is easier for the Probe guys to swap everything, including the ECU because they are both OBD I, I thought.

The OBD II ECU can't use the motor to its most like it is in the Familia...

 

[SilverProtege5]

True, but there must be something that can be done.
Short of spending $10k on a complete motor and ECU

 

[70]

People are working on that stuff...FM's is probably going to be primarily a turbo only ap.

Terry's Microtech option might work well for N/A since it is going to be a fully programmable deal.

 

[xoom xoom]

I think that the stock ecu is diffently to blame for low hp gains. I can't wait till a specilized one is released.

 

[big_ben]

No, the J-spec ecu doesn't even have the advanced timing that the MP3's have. They have primarily the same setups as the normal proteges.

 

[cdglowp5]

To get your full power from the jspec cams you need to get the adjustable cam gears. Tripoint and sunbelt sell them for 200 bucks for the set.

I would go ALL MOTOR. I like the mazdaspeed Protege but it already has some issues. Also the Mazdaspeed uses the same computer as the Protege5 and es. Its reflashed to dump alittle more fuel at higher rpms.

Also there will be street cams and racing cams release to the public from Sunbelt. I do not have the offical date.

 

[big_ben]

All proteges use the same ecu. The MP3's is just reprogrammed just like the MSP's. The MSP's has the most extensive reprograming though than the MP3. It's not just more fuel it's adding.