heavy gauge my ass, maybe you should research before you run your mouth. Ours are bent using the exact same $75,000 CNC machine that turbohoses uses. they ARE NOT a cheap alternative, so stop being pissy and get off your high horse. Like i said in the other thread I'll put mine up against your bling blings any day of the week. and regarding your comment in the other thread about not beign a single pipe, it has nothing to do with it being aluminum, it has to do with the fact they didnt do proper engineering when building them. Its also funny how now all of a sudden turbohoses is on here saying they're producing economical hardpipes, must suck for them to know they have no business b/c of us. If they're pipes are so much better then why are they concerning themselves with us? Gee makes you wonder huh?