P5 versus Matrix

[mooS mooS]

Oh...the MSP is the MazdaSpeed Protege??..lol i beat one of those already!..it has a turbo right?? (scratch) that thing is stupid slow! but everybody doesnt know how to drive their cars!..he tried me though, it looked nice too.. it was a bright blue color with a spoiler..I have alot done to my car so im no where near stock form but its all about the launch!

So, how exactly do you "Launch" when you said yourself that you have no pull until after 6k rpms ? ...

yeah... you have no idea what you're talking about, and all you're doing is trying to convince yourself that you got a "NICE" car for 20K .... because you sure as hell aren't convincing anyone else. hell... for 20K, people can get a used WRX, RSX or SRT-4 or several other cars that are much better in all aspects than a matrix. Move on with your life. .....oh sorry... I meant... wait until 6k rpms .. THEN Move on with your life. now go away little troll, you're fat enough as it is (doughpoke

 

[Replica]

I'm still trying to figure out why someone would pay 20k for either a Matrix or a P5. I'd certainly respect the matrix guy's opinion more if he knew how to spend 20k right...

 

[akProtege5]

This is thread is funny, but i like the mp5 better than the matrix. by the way, don't people mistake the mp5 for the matrix? that what my friend thought when i first got the mp5

 

[PrecyseStylez]

So, how exactly do you "Launch" when you said yourself that you have no pull until after 6k rpms ? ...

yeah... you have no idea what you're talking about, and all you're doing is trying to convince yourself that you got a "NICE" car for 20K .... because you sure as hell aren't convincing anyone else. hell... for 20K, people can get a used WRX, RSX or SRT-4 or several other cars that are much better in all aspects than a matrix. Move on with your life. .....oh sorry... I meant... wait until 6k rpms .. THEN Move on with your life. now go away little troll, you're fat enough as it is (doughpoke

Wow....your alittle slow "litterally". If you go to one of my previous posts there is a Matrix XRS not really racing but Launching while his friends are in a Lexus GS300 video taping, go download that! Thats called a Launch...after about 3seconds or less your hitting 6,200rpms and thats when the second cam switches over which is then considered LIFT! I never said my car was slow under 6,000rpms..then again in stock form it probably feels as slow as a P5 until i hit LIFT but if you launch right you'll hit the sweet spot sooner! LOL..and you said i could've got an used RSX for 20K but they dont have power until 6,000rpms either..lol i think your the one who doesnt know what your talkin about! and a RSX-s isnt that fast! and a RSX, SRT-4 and WRX cant carry as much as i can..lol I put my whole magnaflow exhaust in the back boxed up and it fit perfect..the SRT-4 has power windows in the front but not in the back..lol what type of stuff is that?? good power but loud as i dont know what! not my flavor i picked the matrix cause i liked the way it looked the power was decent as well..just how u guys picked the P5 why didnt you get a SRT-4 or WRX..just didnt fit your flavor at the time...thats why i got my matrix..and since i want more power as well i'll turbo it...so then you got the car you like and the power..who cares if u end up spending as much or more than what i another stock turbo'd car is...your still left with the car you liked and now with power as well!

 

[Replica]

Why didn't I get an SRT-4? Because my P5 was $10,500. The feel of the Matrix just isn't for some people. The price is just plain retarded for an economy car.

Oh and i'll keep in mind that the SRT-4 sucks because it doesn't have rear power windows. (please go drive one!)

The RSX also makes more trq than the Yamaha motor you have, (1zz or some s***).

 

[muohio]

what the ****, p5 owns vibe in handling

I guess it depends on which model of Vibe you are comparing. The Vibe GT with the 17" rims and Z rated tires actually outhandles a P5. A lot of that is contributed to the tires, but it does non the less.

 

[muohio]

Oh...the MSP is the MazdaSpeed Protege??..lol i beat one of those already!..it has a turbo right?? (scratch) that thing is stupid slow! but everybody doesnt know how to drive their cars!..he tried me though, it looked nice too.. it was a bright blue color with a spoiler..I have alot done to my car so im no where near stock form but its all about the launch!

I'm not sure where you get stupid slow compared to a Matrix XRS. The MSP can do the 1/4 in 15.3 stock form while the Matrix XRS is around 15.7 to 16 flat. I have owned both and used both and can say that the driver can be a big impact. I have been members of both Matrix, Vibe, and Mazda forums for over a year and the averages say that stock vs. stock a Matrix XRS/Vibe GT is slower than a MSP by half a second. If you car truely has a lot done, well that's a different story, but then again their isnt' much you can do with that engine.

 

[jjac28]

Oh...the MSP is the MazdaSpeed Protege??..lol i beat one of those already!..it has a turbo right?? (scratch) that thing is stupid slow! but everybody doesnt know how to drive their cars!..he tried me though, it looked nice too.. it was a bright blue color with a spoiler..I have alot done to my car so im no where near stock form but its all about the launch!

the mazdaspeed does 6.5sec to 60mph (motor trend)....how the hell are you going to beat that fool?

i test drove the matrix xrs before buying my mp5. that thing handles like a bus, the interior looks like a van's, you sit up high like in a truck...oh yeah , what i hated the most was the engine...you really had to shift to get this thing moving.
i wasnt impressed at all.

when i sat in the p5, i was just amazed! wow, what a car..it handled like a dream, the engine was very peppy, the interior was great....i just loved the look of the car.
ive had the car for almost 2 years now and it still puts a smile on my face everytime i drive it
it's that good (lol2)

 

[rubixcubix]

Seems like this thread has gotten pulled away from where it started into an argument with the matrix guy, but look at his car, its lowered and it still looks too tall. I went to a toyota dealer to see about a test drive and i walked up to the car and said no way. That thing was the same height as my 91 S-10 Blazer, i was sick of being that far from the ground and dealing with that high of a CG. I wanted a car that was close to the ground and tight in the corners, hence i picked a protege. I got a lot of car for a smaller price, and i know i wouldnt have been happy in a high reving toyota or honda because talented driving is more about torque and cornering. If i can get the same power from half the revs then I'll take it, why wait? When i need cargo space or some raw power, i take the suburban.

 

[muohio]

that thing handles like a bus

Is this a perception because of the ride height? I'm only asking because every review that I read before buying had the XRS with 17" rims outhandling the P5 in slalom, skid pad, braking, and so on. For example, the P5 could do at the most a .80g in the skip pad, but the XRS did a .83g. I know that it sits higher giving a feeling of more body roll.

 

[cbcbd]

OMG!.. who ever wrote that article for Car&Driver doesnt even know too much about the damn cars!..A base Vibe doesnt come with Navigation..only the GT model witch has 180HP but Car&Driver were saying that the car could've used the same power as the XRS...like Vibe doesnt have the GT model??..I guess Car&Driver forgot about that model??..lol But the article did said the XRS beat all the cars in everything from speed and stoping etc...they just dont like the how the power comes on late..i have something for you guys to show u how the XRS can deliver speed fast just look at this damn video and pray that u dont pull up to an XRS or GT-S and want to race unless u have turbo..click on the link and download the video and see how a modded XRS can leave out!

Right Click Save As for Matrix Race

No one said that the XRS wasn't faster than the P5. We know our cars are slower, we just think that the use of the 180HP is just not that great to warrant paying so much more for it.

The reason I posted that article is because the reviewers didn't pick their favorite based on numbers, but just how much fun it was to drive. It is a driver's car, it gives you much more feel of the road and what the car is doing. I won't beat you in a straight line, but I'll be able to reach and pass the limits of the car with much more calm and control than most drivers out there. It's about driver confidence and control.

 

[jjac28]

this is from motor trend on the vibe gt:
You'll have to feed in more than a few revs to keep from stalling the 2ZZ-GE engine when leaving a stoplight, and, up to 6000 rpm or so, performance is just econobox competent.

But cross the 6000-rpm threshold where the high-lift long-duration cam lobes take over, and the accelerative pace increases noticeably as a hive of angry bees start buzzing under the hood. Great fun once you get there! The problem is that sweet performance zone is way up in the 6000-8200-rpm range, so unless you're always driving like Vin Diesel running for pink slips, the fun is a few thousand revs, two or three gears, and too many seconds away.


THEIR CONCLUSION:

WHAT'S NOT
Engine torque-challenged below 6000 rpm
Notchy six-speed shifter
Handling weak with standard 16-in tires

(naughty)

AND:

600-ft slalom, mph: Vibe Gt 62.1mph

Mazda Protege5 66.5mph (that challanges the best out there)

now whose your daddy? (drinks)


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[Replica]

Stock skidpad numbers are more about tires than suspension...and the stock P5 tires are kinda crappy.

 

[Familia323]

nice.... you paid 20K for that thing, not including mods! You could go out buy a P5, then turbo it.. and put 220 to the wheels... all for under what you paid just for your 180 to the crank. Thanks, Come again.

Stock for stock you win... congrats thats what you get for 5grand extra, a whopping 50hp. You must know a deal when you see one.

 

[Replica]

nice.... you paid 20K for that thing, not including mods! You could go out buy a P5, then turbo it.. and put 220 to the wheels... all for under what you paid just for your 180 to the crank. Thanks, Come again.

Stock for stock you win... congrats thats what you get for 5grand extra, a whopping 50hp. You must know a deal when you see one.

More than 5 grand for me. Hehe. oh well.

Oh, one more question, if you intended to drag race and use it to determine the entire quality of a car, why the hell did you buy a Matrix?

 

[muohio]

this is from motor trend on the vibe gt:
You'll have to feed in more than a few revs to keep from stalling the 2ZZ-GE engine when leaving a stoplight, and, up to 6000 rpm or so, performance is just econobox competent.

But cross the 6000-rpm threshold where the high-lift long-duration cam lobes take over, and the accelerative pace increases noticeably as a hive of angry bees start buzzing under the hood. Great fun once you get there! The problem is that sweet performance zone is way up in the 6000-8200-rpm range, so unless you're always driving like Vin Diesel running for pink slips, the fun is a few thousand revs, two or three gears, and too many seconds away.


THEIR CONCLUSION:

WHAT'S NOT
Engine torque-challenged below 6000 rpm
Notchy six-speed shifter
Handling weak with standard 16-in tires

(naughty)

AND:

600-ft slalom, mph: Vibe Gt 62.1mph

Mazda Protege5 66.5mph (that challanges the best out there)

now whose your daddy? (drinks)


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Like mentioned above, the tires have a lot to do with numbers. When Motortrend tested the P5 vs the Matrix vs the WRX wagon they found that the XRS could do a 66.9mph slalom with 17" rims which was superior to the P5. I've included the article so that you can read it for yourself http://motortrend.com/roadtests/wagon/112_0205_wag/. I will refrain from saying who's your daddy on that one.

 

[muohio]

nice.... you paid 20K for that thing, not including mods! You could go out buy a P5, then turbo it.. and put 220 to the wheels... all for under what you paid just for your 180 to the crank. Thanks, Come again.

Stock for stock you win... congrats thats what you get for 5grand extra, a whopping 50hp. You must know a deal when you see one.

When I purchased mine in the summer of '02, the Matrix was stickering at $19.5k which was about $1k more than a similiarly equiped P5. Later on, Pontiac was offering 0% APR plus rebates which took the Vibe GT down to $18k which was the same as the P5. I'm not sure where you are getting that it costs $5k more? A fully equiped XRS with navigation and auto might cost that much.

 

[jjac28]

Like mentioned above, the tires have a lot to do with numbers. When Motortrend tested the P5 vs the Matrix vs the WRX wagon they found that the XRS could do a 66.9mph slalom with 17" rims which was superior to the P5. I've included the article so that you can read it for yourself http://motortrend.com/roadtests/wagon/112_0205_wag/. I will refrain from saying who's your daddy on that one.

hehe, it's all good fun!(2thumbs)

 

[Familia323]

When I purchased mine in the summer of '02, the Matrix was stickering at $19.5k which was about $1k more than a similiarly equiped P5. Later on, Pontiac was offering 0% APR plus rebates which took the Vibe GT down to $18k which was the same as the P5. I'm not sure where you are getting that it costs $5k more? A fully equiped XRS with navigation and auto might cost that much.

well considering I didnt bother to read all of this thread, I was assuming we were talking today... Since the P5 is no longer in production the price dropped quite a bit. So now you can pick up P5s for far less than 18K.

 

[Replica]

That comparison was funny. The saloloms are almost the same (P5 was like 66.6 and the XRS was like 66.9) and the P5 keeps up with SMALLER rims and crappier tires. The P5 is about a second slower 0-60, which for $20,000, you can have all that. The article really made me like my P5 more. For the $10,500 I paid for it, it ****** rocks. But I guess the WRX wagon sucks because it's slalom was only 64mph? Nah.

It's a bit of a strange article because all P5's are the same, base. However the Matrix was NOT a base model, but the P5 held its own. I'm sure a base Matrix VS a P5 would be hilarious.