OVT tune group buy

[Chris_Top_Her]

There is a group buy in the works for CX-5 tune kit. It's the tune and all required hardware (- laptop). www.ovtuned.com

FB link

 

[CX5_Pete]

Lets see some dyno numbers!

 

[Unobtanium]

How 'detectable" are these changes...and how much warranty is getting voided? Do you leave the transmission/shift points the hell alone? That's honestly pretty significant.

ETA: Their website sings a different tune about them gains...kindof a confidence killer...
http://www.ovtuned.com/collections/mazda-collection/products/mazda-skyactiv-diy-tune-kit

 

[davesxx01]

Huh? 25+ hp is a confidence killer???
What most people feel though is the big increase in mid range torque!
Much easier to drive every day!!!

For a NA engine that is a hell of an improvement!!!
This is an engine ecu mod, not a trans TCU mod. Meaning your transmission shifting isn't touched.
Dynos and videos are on his website.
I came to the CX-5 from a '14 Mazda6 and the folks on that site absolutely love what Mat at OVT has done!

 

[Unobtanium]

Huh? 25+ hp is a confidence killer???
What most people feel though is the big increase in mid range torque!
Much easier to drive every day!!!

For a NA engine that is a hell of an improvement!!!
This is an engine ecu mod, not a trans TCU mod. Meaning your transmission shifting isn't touched.
Dynos and videos are on his website.
I came to the CX-5 from a '14 Mazda6 and the folks on that site absolutely love what Mat at OVT has done!

Or is it 35? Or 15? Why not 50? They seem to just spout whatever number sounds good at the time, is what I meant. If it really is 25+whp, then it's an impressive gain! Especially for just a tune! I wonder how the sky-activ engine deals with it long term, though, is my only concern.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

The website has the lowball figure and the 25+ is representative of what some people have achieved. Like I said, people actually interested would already have come across this, or would have eventually. More mods can yield higher output.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

50k on my car thus far and no issues. I also have a bumped limiter and drive hard each time. I have yet to see someone post that their SA was damaged by the tune. Had it on my 2.0 but only for 1k or so before trading.

 

[Unobtanium]

50k on my car thus far and no issues. I also have a bumped limiter and drive hard each time. I have yet to see someone post that their SA was damaged by the tune. Had it on my 2.0 but only for 1k or so before trading.

Do they mess with transmission parameters in any way? I recall you complaining about how yours shifted, and mine shifts fine stock.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Yea, that projected range lines up with what multiple customers (aside from the seller) who have done dynos have obtained. If he wants to find good information about it before he buys, it's available on multiple websites/social pages (mazda6club is a good start, for facebook, mazda3tuning group, mazda3revolution, gen 3 mazda club. For the record other companies (non us based) also offer tuning and net similar gains. Self tuners (who know how to define maps from binary and tune an motor, along with paying like $700 for the personal mazdaedit) do as well. A lot good and real world information on many aspects of the skyactiv engine from people who have actually experienced (vs speculation and generalization) can be found ont he Mazda6club website. There is a thread on tuning alone that is like 1000 pages. Threads on fuel dilution and other maintenance/reliability/performance threads, with actual feedback from owners, vs one or two actual feedbacks, and 3 or 4x more people who have zero real world experience with the subject being discussed on the engine being discussed having something contrary to say. In fact, I'll even post a list of links quoted to a user who tried to use one hating website/community as a blanket statement to cover everyone else.

Note: these links are linked form facebook, however these are not facebook pages. You will be redirected to the appropriate website. If you don't have a facebook account just click the "follow link" button. And unfortunately this forum does not automatically convert weblinks to names, but you can get an idea of the website by reading the URL after the facebook header.

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...umsite/20967/topics/342618?page=1&h=uAQGIKzki

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=597475&h=tAQEfxXMQ

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=601891&h=XAQEuPx9Y

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=594109&h=UAQFAeD2e

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=589349&h=KAQEJ5NBM

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...3/685650-tuning-orange-virus.html&h=mAQHd1aD0

mazda6
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...results-technical-discussion.html&h=PAQFRnWbF

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...zda-Performance-Part/61-1790.html&h=GAQE-reCJ

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...uide/55162-orange-virus-tune.html&h=gAQFvyWPk

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...a5-technology-upgrade,3966-8.html&h=xAQESs3y5

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...read.php?123853056-I-m-a-believer&h=gAQFvyWPk

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Chris, that's a lot of links. Can you point me to the one that shows 25-35 HP gain on a stock motor? 'Cause I don't see that one. (whistle)

If you are interested, you can look through them and find it. I'd start with the mazda6club. I'll let you ask them for that information, I'm sure they can direct you to the exact page. I've been following this since the tune was first available, before page 1 of 1000 was even created. I already know it for myself. I'm not doubting you were doing performance mods long before me, I'm questioning the experience of others with this motor, and the control the ecu has over the motor vs older and less sophisticated tech. People kept saying you can turbo a skyg because the CR is too high; despite that other engines like more recent DI, 12:1 Honda motors ( a fair amount too)are boosted by enthusiasts. We have a skyg 2.0 putting out over 200whp. Lol there are 4 cyl engines, NA with 200hp or more and they have a lower CR. The s2000 alone was pushing 250hp from a 11:7:1 2.0L engine. 4cyl BMW engines, less CR, less displacement putting over 200hp some over 210 and these are older examples..

 

[CX5_Pete]

Yea, that projected range lines up with what multiple customers (aside from the seller) who have done dynos have obtained. If he wants to find good information about it before he buys, it's available on multiple websites/social pages (mazda6club is a good start, for facebook, mazda3tuning group, mazda3revolution, gen 3 mazda club. For the record other companies (non us based) also offer tuning and net similar gains. Self tuners (who know how to define maps from binary and tune an motor, along with paying like $700 for the personal mazdaedit) do as well. A lot good and real world information on many aspects of the skyactiv engine from people who have actually experienced (vs speculation and generalization) can be found ont he Mazda6club website. There is a thread on tuning alone that is like 1000 pages. Threads on fuel dilution and other maintenance/reliability/performance threads, with actual feedback from owners, vs one or two actual feedbacks, and 3 or 4x more people who have zero real world experience with the subject being discussed on the engine being discussed having something contrary to say. In fact, I'll even post a list of links quoted to a user who tried to use one hating website/community as a blanket statement to cover everyone else.

Note: these links are linked form facebook, however these are not facebook pages. You will be redirected to the appropriate website. If you don't have a facebook account just click the "follow link" button. And unfortunately this forum does not automatically convert weblinks to names, but you can get an idea of the website by reading the URL after the facebook header.

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...umsite/20967/topics/342618?page=1&h=uAQGIKzki

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=597475&h=tAQEfxXMQ

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=601891&h=XAQEuPx9Y

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=594109&h=UAQFAeD2e

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=589349&h=KAQEJ5NBM

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...3/685650-tuning-orange-virus.html&h=mAQHd1aD0

mazda6
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...results-technical-discussion.html&h=PAQFRnWbF

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...zda-Performance-Part/61-1790.html&h=GAQE-reCJ

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...uide/55162-orange-virus-tune.html&h=gAQFvyWPk

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...a5-technology-upgrade,3966-8.html&h=xAQESs3y5

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...read.php?123853056-I-m-a-believer&h=gAQFvyWPk

sweet, i got some reading to do. I dont plan on doing any crazy mods now especially with the warranty. Perhaps much later down the line. I was thinking about getting a Racing Beat exhaust, but we'll see. As for this tune, I feel its a little bit pricey, so I would like to see if there are other alternatives.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

It used to be a lot cheaper. For a while the CX-5 tune was cheaper than the 6/3 tune. I'm guessing it was because there was little traffic from CX-5 owners. But there are a lot more people modding CX-5's than you would think; mechanical mods not body kits or dip. Definitely abroad (often where the CX-5 is an expensive car), and a good number here in the US. If you wait a few year or two, the offerings will be even better. I've owned a CX-5 since the first MY and have been modding since. Despite what people have continually said, more and more parts/tuning etc have become and continue to become available. For a while there were more mechanical parts becoming available for the CX-5 than the same parts becoming available for the 3/6.

 

[CC58]

Carbon buildup using direct injection was a big problem, but Mazda's valve timing solved that (cross our fingers). If this mod changes valve timing to increase horse power, you can look forward to disassembling the engine later on to chip out those deposits.

 

[Unobtanium]

Carbon buildup using direct injection was a big problem, but Mazda's valve timing solved that (cross our fingers). If this mod changes valve timing to increase horse power, you can look forward to disassembling the engine later on to chip out those deposits.

This is my main concern. If they are dicking around with valve timing to increase power, and it causes massive issues in 50-75k miles for some people.

 

[davesxx01]

It's already been proven by the "6" guys with 2.5's. and the Miata guys are pushing 200 with ease!

$500 is dirt cheap for as much time as Mat puts into these tunes.......
Sure, $600 will get you 60+ horsepower with a tune on a car like a GTI but I don't think you can compare the least bit here. A canned $600 tune for a GTI vs a tune made
for your car and your car alone? Really???
Not sure is it was already posted but this tune is made for your car,,,, meaning you do a data log and send it in and he modifies it and sends it back to you.
After 3-5 data logs and modifications your set!
That is what make this tune awesome!
So yes, if you plan on modding your engine intake or exhaust its best to do so first,,,, before you tune! Every aftermarket intake gives different readings so the first thing Mat
does is calibrate your intake fuel trims to be as close to 1% + or - as possible so that the ECU has a proper flow reading to start with!
Read his FAQ page here to learn more.
https://www.ovtuned.com/pages/frontpage

I plan on getting a two mode tune,,, as the '16's have a sport mode Mat is able to tune for say 87-89 octane in regular mode and 91-93 in sport mode.
My plan is (hopefully) tune for increased mileage and more mid range torque in normal mode and power while in sport mode!

 

[davesxx01]

Group buy link is up!!!

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ovtuned.com%2Fcollections%2Fmazda-collection%2Fproducts%2Fcx5-gb-tune-kit&h=TAQHk04O5

 

[Unobtanium]

at this point, my main concern and barrier to purchase is the valve timing and DI/carbon issue. A few more hp is not worth my car dying at 200K miles. Yes, I actually do plan on keeping it to 300k+ miles. I typically kept my domestics to around 150-225k miles, and feel I should get AT LEAST 300k out of this vehicle. Especially when those domestics were sold in perfect running order. Except for one. It did legit die. Burned enough oil that I forgot to add some and seized up (4.6L SOHC Ford V8, 220-250k miles, odo died at around 190).

 

[Unobtanium]

I will point out that they are using a Dynapack in the link to the Group Buy...and I have seen some STOOPID numbers from a dynapack. However, back to back runs they are consistent. May just not get as much hp as you are thinking you will, but the gain should be "as advertised", unless they pulled some BS, but looking into them, OVT isn't going to abjectly lie about stuff. They do enough business at this stage in their existence that it would hurt rather than help them within a month or two.

 

[davesxx01]

While a good point about carbon build up on DI motors, and as the owner of 2 previous DI cars (GTI & Golf R) that had issues and noticeable build up within 60K miles.
I don't think there is any manufacturer that has cured/eliminated the build up issue. Just a part of owning a DI car I guess!
So the valves may need cleaning after xxxxx miles? So what???
Ya want to keep a car running for 300K? Awesome!! But don't think it wont be without proper maintenance! So ya had a 4.6 that burnt up early, sorry to hear. (Ford tech for 15 years here!)
I'm sure your smart enough to know that the typical bone stock Honda motor can last 200+K but I highly doubt your typical GT500 engine would last 100K! It's all in how they are built, used, abused, and maintained!
No, I don't expect to get 300K out of my CX-5,,,,, never owned anything over 100K myself.

A tune that pushes the level of a motor higher than even our European brothers get will no doubt add more stress to the motor, which may decrease life somewhat,
but, those of us that want more naturally expect the added need of more regular maintenance. It's a part of life!

I myself would love more torque and horse power, with that, I expect to have to use a higher grade of fuel, and preform a maintenance schedule that differs for the norm.

 

[MikeM.]

I don't think there is any manufacturer that has cured/eliminated the build up issue. Just a part of owning a DI car I guess!

Skyactiv-G engines have not had a carbon build-up problem that I'm aware of. And we have members on this forum who drive short trips in Canadian arctic weather. Someone in more normal driving/weather conditions doesn't need to worry. Of course, all bets are off with a tune that likely puts HP/torque as a priority over carbon build-up. A small tuner doesn't have the resources to determine under exactly what conditions of temperature, rpm, throttle, valve timing, etc. carbon forms and it would be counter-productive to performance to tune around carbon deposits.