Official 2011 Mazda5 Thread

It would need to be a 6-gear transmission, the 5-gear revs too high at highway speeds.

As long as the engine is *designed* for high revs, there's nothing inherently wrong with high revs. Americans have bought the GM line for so many years that they believe lower revs are inherently better, but that's simply not true. A smaller engine, running at higher revs, typically has a larger percentage of its power available to it instantaneously; often a smaller-displacement engine at higher revs can generate more horsepower than a larger-displacement engine at lower revs, even while consuming less fuel. A smaller engine at higher revs is less likely to need to downshift to pass, will have better engine braking capability if needed, and will increase the driver's feel for what the engine is doing.

If badly designed, an engine will wear out faster at higher revs, but given that Japanese cars have always typically tended to have higher HP output per displacement and hence tended to run at higher revs and STILL outlive most larger American cars' engines (so much so that they have a reputation for it), it's hard to argue that in practice smaller engines running at higher revs are a bad formula.

Personally, I hate the lackadaisical feeling of a low-power V6 at low revs; I love the snappy, responsive handling of a high-power I-4 at high revs. A small engine at low revs doesn't generate enough power, so it's either small engine at high revs, or large engine at low revs. I ride an air-cooled Triumph Bonneville motorcycle that runs all day on the highway at 5,000 RPM and much prefer that to the Harleys that leave you sore after two hours even though they're turning 1,600 RPM at the same speed on the same highway. Triumph owners often complain that the bike needs a sixth gear for highway, but given that I've ridden 700 mile superslab days on the beast I don't see any reason whatsoever for it - it was designed in the factory by engineers to run at the engine speed fifth gear gives it, why should we second guess them?

Same goes here. If Mazda designed the car to turn 3800 RPM at 75 mph, why should it bother me? It's perfectly happy at that speed, and the little 4-cyl engine is peppy, fun, and still somewhat fuel-efficient - certainly more fuel-efficient than its V6 competitors.

Finally, remember that wind drag is exponentially related to speed - so as speed doubles, drag quadruples. These little engines are pulling an awful lot of weight, and it's likely that at lower revs the engine wouldn't make enough power to successfully hold fight off drag as you rolled over hills and through wind.
 
I think the main issue is engine noise. My 08 Corolla did 100km/h [62mph] at 2500 rpm and 120km/h at 3000rpm) on its 1.8 so I wonder why Mazda's torquier 2.3 can't do the same, it revs as high as my old 91 Corolla's 1.6.
 
My diesel 6 speed MT runs 2250 Rpm by 130 Km/h i 6th.
And i have an average consumption of 53 mpg, if i drive 90 ill get about 64mpg.
The diesel 143PS makes 1-100km/h 11,0 seconds and runs 196 km/h
And with the new 2,2 180 PS it will be faster.(bolt)
Jens

Thanks!

2250 rpm @ 80mph in 6th

143PS = 141HP

0-62mph in 11sec with a 122 mph top speed (probably drag limited as it is the same as the petrol/gas)
 
New Mazda 5 2011!!

Hi all,

Looks like that at the end of this year Mazda is going to sell the new Mazda 5:

http://www.km77.com/00/mazda/5/2011/t01.asp

This is in Europe, but I think it will arrive to US as well, don't you?

What do you think of it? Do you like it?? I think that inside looks really well, but outside.... I don't like it at all.
 
Here are the pics of the new Mazda 5:

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It looks alright on the outside, a little over-styled and a bit like the Matrix but okay. I actually don't like the layout of the inside - too busy, too many buttons. I do like the six-speed manual though. Looks like it's just a restyling though, as the fundamentals of the car appear to be completely unchanged.
 
Looks more like a big facelift, than a whole new model.
Look at the rear doors outside and the sidemirrors in and outside looks exactly like the current model.
 
I would definitely trade in my 2007 for a 2012! :) 6 speeds, yum. I really hope it gets the 7th seat.

I posted my take on bcmazda3.com:

Just found these photos of what's expected to be the refreshed 2011 Mazda 5... the exterior has a slightly revised front end complete with the signature gaping wide smiley mouth as expected, side panels gain some sculpted lines that flows into the fenders which I personally really like, and revised what I think more conservative but more elegant tail end. The car does not appear to get longer but to many that's a good thing anyway.

The dashboard appears to take many cues from the current Mazda 3 which is a very good thing, but other than that, the rest of the simple yet functional interior appears to be unchanged other than a few styling refinements. We're all hoping that the new Mazda 5 finally gets its 7th seat (3rd second row seat), either in split folding bench format or the fold-in-fold-out karakuri seat.

Expect the 5 to come standard with the 2.5 (up from the current 2.3) mated to a 6 speed manual or 5 speed auto with sport mode.
 
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Hi,

The web page says that is a complete new model not a facelift.

Translation of the article (again, sorry for my english):
Mazda will start selling the new Mazda5 in late 2010. For the information we have at the time of writing this information, it is a new car and not an update that is on sale now.

It's a mid-size MPV with seven seats, spread over three rows of seats (2 +3 +2 configuration).

A peculiarity of the body of the Mazda5 is that the rear doors are hinged, but slide backward parallel to the body. This facilitates access to the car when parked close to another vehicle or wall. The opening and closing system may be automatic.

Among the possible engines, there are two petrol. One has 1.8 liter engine and the other 2.0 liters (2.0 DISI), the latter with an automatic stop and start engine system. Both have a manual six relationships. In Spain, we do not know if they will sell them both. What is certain is that the offer will be completed with some of the diesel currently available in the Mazda range.
 
I don't know, Mazda may call it a new model and it's possible the pictures are deceiving, but that really looks like the same frame, same dimensions. Even the interior looks only restyled and not truly new.
 
Please lose the sculpted curvy lines running down the side before making it to the US...and keep a diesel option for us.
 
Cool, I really like it. The new Mazda restyling yet with the same design principles and functionality (2thumbs)

The article mentions 2 engines, but not sure which ones will be. The engines for Europe never match the ones for NA
 
I would definitely trade in my 2007 for a 2012! :) 6 speeds, yum. I really hope it gets the 7th seat.

Doesn't Mazda sell the Mazda 5 in US with 6 speeds? Mine came with it as the "normal package". I thought you could choose between automatic and manual.

In Spain the Mazda 5 comes with the 7th seat, but I don't really use it. I usually go with the 2+2 configuration or with the 2+2+2 configuration if I have to carry more people. The 3rd seat on the second row is not very confortable (you could use it in short distances)
 
Doesn't Mazda sell the Mazda 5 in US with 6 speeds? Mine came with it as the "normal package". I thought you could choose between automatic and manual.

In Spain the Mazda 5 comes with the 7th seat, but I don't really use it. I usually go with the 2+2 configuration or with the 2+2+2 configuration if I have to carry more people. The 3rd seat on the second row is not very confortable (you could use it in short distances)

Aqui (Estados Unidos and Canada ;)) we only get 5MT, 6 seater 2+2+2 (no 7th Karakuri) and we don't get Diesel. On the other side we were the only ones to get the 2.3L (Gasolina), that is why I'm guessing about the engines we will get...
 
All-New, Greener Mazda5 to Bow at 2010 Geneva Show

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We labeled it Mazda's "mini-minivan" when the second generation arrived stateside in 2005, and now five years later, the all-new Mazda5 will bow in Switzerland during the Geneva Motor Show. Sold as the Premacy in Japan, this latest version is said to emit 15% less pollutants than the current model and manages to continue brand's "Zoom-Zoom" image.

Mazda's so-called emotional "Nagare" design philosophy is clear to see on the new 5. Take a glance at the sweeping front clip that's nearly identical to the 3 and you'll get the gist. The Mazda5 also has plenty of new wavy character lines sculpted into the large dual sliding side passenger doors. Engineers say their stylish design promises a sleek aero signature that aids in fuel efficiency.

Passengers inside are comforted by plenty of storage and space. Seats can be arranged in multiple configurations and include a "karakuri" second row seat that can be converted into more storage space.

When it hits the European market this fall, customers will be able to chose from a 2.0L direct injection gasoline motor with "i-stop" (also known as start/stop technology), or a 1.8L gasoline. Both come standard with a six-speed manual transmission.


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Heheh, yay the smiley face! =)

Hopefully the 5 is getting the 2.5L for 2011 in NA.
It needs the extra oomph.
 
Heheh, yay the smiley face! =)

Hopefully the 5 is getting the 2.5L for 2011 in NA.
It needs the extra oomph.

I can't imagine they'd carry over the 2.3 since they don't use it in the 3 anymore -- the 2.5 seems like the obvious answer; however, I've lost count of the number of times I've been wrong, and I'm only talking about today.
 

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