Non turbo power?

I musta been smoking some good s*** when I looked at a 99-00 protege 1.8L. I thought it was a disbutor but a girl that interns here at the station opened her hood and I saw boobies, na I seen the wires and yes you are right. Sorry folks.
 
Do you have to replace both cams at the same time or can you do them one at a time. I know it would make more cents to do them at the same time but just a thought. And how difficult would it be to change them,does it alter your warranty Im not worried about Emmission test.

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You can do both at the same time or only one. I've got the Jspec intake and the SP20 exhaust cams in my car also. I didn't see the 12 HP gain that everyone claims until I put a better intake and exhaust on and then built a header. The total gain so far is about 17.5 HP and 12 lb/ft of torque on my 2001 ES. Plus it revs a lot faster. It also pulls harder past 5500 RPM where before it just made more noise and didn't really do anything. The intake cam was worth about 4 HP, and the exhaust another 3 until I opened up the intake. Then I got about 10 total. The header was worth a solid 7.8 lb/ft at 4250 RPM and kept the torque from dropping off after 5500. The car is still making 95.3 at 6250 RPM where before it was only making 88. It really pulls harder now past 3500 and didn't lose anything over stock down lower. The HP and torque are slightly higher than stock to 3750 or so, then they start to really seperate. The HP keeps climbing all the way to redline instead of starting to fall off at 5700 like it did before.

The main thing my car needs at this point is more ignition advance. I'm working on ways of tricking it into doing that, or just getting a piggyback from Unichip and playing with that.
 
Did you build the header or someone else and if so how much and what are the odds of me buying one from you. I'm going to wait until I got the money to do both at the same time. How hard were they to instal. THANKS FOR THE INFO

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Youngblood said:
Did you build the header or someone else and if so how much and what are the odds of me buying one from you. I'm going to wait until I got the money to do both at the same time. How hard were they to instal. THANKS FOR THE INFO

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I built it. I'm still working on sourcing the mandrel bends at a lower price and some sort of coating right now. I'm hoping to be able to sell them within 1-2 months. I'm going to be building another one shortly to send to someone else but they are going to have it coated themselves. I'll be able to nail pricing as soon as I find better sources for parts and coatings.

The cams were easy to install if you've ever done it before. I wouldn't recommend it without the proper tools or knowledge. Mine just dropped right in without having to re-shim for clearance. Probably because they are Mazda cams and Mazda is very consistent with their parts. The base circles on the cams were all identical.
 
No doubt raising compression, grinding custom cams, head work, custom intake manifolds and such will help. But the return on those mods will be severely diminished unless there is a programmable controller in there first. It makes sense to install a controller first and get it properly tuned in near stock trim before jumping in with internal modifications. Its not only a whole lot easier to tune that way, but it may save you from engine damage. Also with a standalone you can detune to motor for inspections and emissions tests, and breeze right through.

The FS-DE motor in stock trim should respond very well to a to a retuned controller. So IMO, it should be the first thing considered. Next, custom cams are in order, something in the 230 degrees duration range with about 6 to 10 degrees of over lap, titanium retainers/shims and new springs. Then Id be looking for some stronger, longer rods and forged flat top pistons for a C/R of about 11.5:1. Because shorter pistons with longer rods would be the best way to raise comp and allow for a higher rev limit. And, since the only way this motor is going to make good power is by raising the revs, you need to get rid of the FCO and rev limiter in the stock ECU. After that, the rest is just going to help the motor flow and run to its potential.

Youre going to need a lap top, lots of extra sensors, a data acquisition card and data logging software (or lots of gages) for monitoring critical engine parameters to ensure a correct and safe tune. But no respectable engine builder would start a project without first having a controller picked out and ready, especially with a boosted motor. Ive been waiting on AEM for a while now, but have been leaning toward the Electromotive TECIII lately. So whos going to be the first to step up and install a standalone?
 
Traveler said:


I built it. I'm still working on sourcing the mandrel bends at a lower price and some sort of coating right now. I'm hoping to be able to sell them within 1-2 months.



I would be looking for a Nice header. Let us all know when
I comes avail....:D
 
I've been looking into stand alones also and thing I have a candidate. The Simple Digital Systems EM-3F. It DOES NOT need a laptop to program as it comes with a digital programmer. I've talked to a guy locally that's installed over 250 of them. He swears by them. Lot's easier to program and setup, and they really work well. They've got a stock bottom end VW 1.8 GTI running 22 psi and 350 HP right now with no problems. The car runs 11.6 in the quarter right now but they hope to knock off a couple tenths when they change final drive. He's running into the rev limiter 60 feet before the end of the track.
 
Traveler I'm thinking of goign to the SDS system myself. Good price and very easy to tune. A guy here has one in his integra and he loves it. YOu also can almost pull just about the same numbers from teh SDS as the TEC systems but not quite runs right along with a Haltech if not better. www.sdsefi.com if any of you are looking for it they also made the injector controller that Stou is using on his turbo MP3
 
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