No 2006 RX-8s??

[Puckpimp71]

That "employee price for everyone" plus gas prices and questionable quality of most domestics has all but killed resale value on just about anything made by Ford, GM, Chrysler. The rebates on the 05 RX-8s hasn't helped resale value either. We've got a 6-speed base going for 19,900 right now.

 

['87 Turbo II]

That "employee price for everyone" plus gas prices and questionable quality of most domestics has all but killed resale value on just about anything made by Ford, GM, Chrysler. The rebates on the 05 RX-8s hasn't helped resale value either. We've got a 6-speed base going for 19,900 right now.

sheesh where? cheapest one we found was an silver 05 cloth 6 speed manual for $24,000

(edit: at this dealership)

 

[sniper9]

a bit off topic I was at the dealer today having them look over and FD i wanted to buy and he said wait, because in two years there will be a TT mazdaspeed rx-8. Ill take it for what its worth but we can hope its true

 

[KYLiquid]

a bit off topic I was at the dealer today having them look over and FD i wanted to buy and he said wait, because in two years there will be a TT mazdaspeed rx-8. Ill take it for what its worth but we can hope its true

NOT HAPPENING, i have heard this stuff SO much.......twin turbo is not needed anymore, you can get the same performance for less cost with a single turbo setup........thats why other than V or Flat configuration motors, twin turbo isnt readlly heard of.....

if they come out with a turbo rotary again, it will be single turbo....IMO you are more likely to see a larger displacement 2 rotor (1.5L) or a NA ******......if its FI at all, it will be supercharged.

 

[dug06824]

The new 06's come with a set of spark plugs in the glove compartment. We are supposed to change them within 3 days of the customer picking the car up. Should help out on alot of the problem right there.

i have a o5 thats due to go in to the dealer this week for the new plugs should i ask for anything esides the lugs

 

[Puckpimp71]

A new key board maybe? Spend the $$$ and get one that has a consistent B and P key. j/k How many miles are on your 05?

 

[Mikey444]

How often should the spark plugs be replaced? I've only put 10k miles on my car so havnt looked into that yet.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

owner's manual says 35000 miles, IIRC... which means i'll be changing mine soon... almost 32000 here....

 

[ZoomZoomH]

btw, get teh NGK oem plugs from www.sparkplugs.com for $86 shipped instead of ~$130 from the dealers, almost 40% cheaper!

 

[KYLiquid]

i do my plugs once a year in all my cars, thats about 15k miles for me. I also do coolant, brake/clutch fluid, power steering (thank god not in the rx8) and trany/diff fluid. Also change tires and brake pads. Basicaly every year i relace all the 'normal ware' items.

 

[Lt. Dan]

Could be worse.... Street ported 12a= new plugs every 10K miles....

 

[1sty]

My brother in law is a master tech on them, he was told the same thing.. they are tryin to find a solution to the engine stalling/wont start after not letting the car warm up.. some s*** like that..

They are basicly trying to figure out why the hell they are even bothering with a rotary in the first place. WHen they now have a 2.3L DI turbo that will beat the bag out of it.

 

[KYLiquid]

They are basicly trying to figure out why the hell they are even bothering with a rotary in the first place. WHen they now have a 2.3L DI turbo that will beat the bag out of it.

Everyone knows the downfalls of the rotary motor, people b**** cause the RX8 isnt the RX7.......well no s***, thats why its not called the rx7, and its not a coupe...ect.

Every car company has its 'flag ship' performance cars, the cars that get people excited about the brand, the cars that get people into dealerships (so they buy the 'bread-n-butter' cars. Its not about making a car to fill a hole....its about making a car to make a car.

Mazda made the RX8 to fill a void left with the departure of the RX7 (2002 in Japan) The rx8 took that spot as the rotary car from mazda. This time they tried to make the car a little more practical, ect.

Ever since the 70s mazda has had a Rotary car in the lineup.....they wanted to continue that. If you dont like it, dont buy it.

Chevy could make a 4cyl turbo, or v6 turbo that would make the power of that the vette has with its NA v8.....so why dont they just do that......? Cause the v8 vette is a staple of the GM line up......

Anyway, the flooding issue is pretty much gone.....you have to TRY to flood the car to get it to happen. Its a part of the design of the motor. You cant 'figure out how to make it impossible to flood the car'.

 

[1sty]

Everyone knows the downfalls of the rotary motor, people b**** cause the RX8 isnt the RX7.......well no s***, thats why its not called the rx7, and its not a coupe...ect.

Every car company has its 'flag ship' performance cars, the cars that get people excited about the brand, the cars that get people into dealerships (so they buy the 'bread-n-butter' cars. Its not about making a car to fill a hole....its about making a car to make a car.

The problem is that the RX-8 isn't really a flagship car at this point and the car bringing most people into mazda dealerships is the 3. The general public is not at all exicted about the RX8.

Mazda made the RX8 to fill a void left with the departure of the RX7 (2002 in Japan) The rx8 took that spot as the rotary car from mazda. This time they tried to make the car a little more practical, ect.

As this is specualtion, I have to say I disagree. Mazda had to built the RX-8 to gain credit in the perfomance world. Which didn't really work.

Ever since the 70s mazda has had a Rotary car in the lineup.....they wanted to continue that. If you dont like it, dont buy it..

I have no problem with a rotary engine. I have a problem with this rotary thats only basis of sales is the gimmic that its a rotary when a 4 cylinder turbo would be far better performer.

Chevy could make a 4cyl turbo, or v6 turbo that would make the power of that the vette has with its NA v8.....so why dont they just do that......? Cause the v8 vette is a staple of the GM line up........

Not really and for one reason...fuel economy. There is no production 4 cyclinder turbo or v6 that can match the Vettes power with that fuel economy. At that power level most 4 cyclinders are long past reliability and the V6's are too high strung. This is why we see Audi and BMW abandoning the 6 cyclinders in favor of V8s




In my opionin its time to anti up and make a real freakin rotary or give it up. This 238 horse power crap is rediculous in a day and age where that is UNDER the power of the average family sedan. Simply put, if the average grocery getter has more power...then its no longer a sports car. If mazda can't get near the Evo, Sti, 350Z, or even the mazdaspeed 6 and 3 in the power race then it would be more profitable to abandon the rotary all together. After all if its going to suck down that same amount of gas as a 13 second car and be more problematic, it had better be as fast.

 

[KYLiquid]

yes the 3 is the best selling car, that would be the 'bread and butter' cars I was talking about earlyer. The rx8, miata and mazdaspeed6 (soon to be mazdaspeed3) are the cars that get people into mazda dealers, and then they end up getting a regular car. Like the way the viper gets people into dodge dealers and they buy a truck...ect.

I know the rx8 isnt a super car like the rx7, it was never supposed to be. Its mazdas version of a practical sporty GT car. Not a pure sports car. As far as gaining credit in the performance world, the rx8 has won many awards for its engine. It also gets great press on its handling and interior. It has won many head to head contests against cars like the 350z, the car that nissan built to gain credit in the performance world.

when you STOMP on the gas in a 400hp vett, im willing to get you get your MPG down into signle digits, just like a 400hp SRT4 or 400hp MSP would get. ANd both could get MPG of upper 20's on the highway crusing.

At the time the rx8 came out, it was the king of the hill for mazda, it was the most expensive model, as well as the most luxury (GT package) best performance (HP) and on par with the miata for handling while seating 4 people. Since the MS6 and MS3 are out, they do out perfom in, and the interior of the MS6 is pretty damn nice with the GT package.

I think mazda has something special up its sleve, maby a new RX7, maby a coupe rotary rx9 or something.....maby even a turbo piston car........The rx8 is due for a full refresh in 07/08 and maby by 08/09 we will see a new sports car from mazda.

 

[spacemonkey]

[quote='87 Turbo II]OMG mazda, pleeeeeeeease offer a turbo option, even if it is a small one![/quote]
it will be hard to meet emissions and the sideport design requires a specially designed turbo to be doen right.

Also they need a turbo that can handle 10,000 RPMs which can get expensive. Your car turns at 10,000 rpms but your turbo might be spining alot....alot faster. Not an easy task to design a reliable and efficant turbo with those speeds.

More likely a supercharger becuase its carb legal in all 50 states. For a catalytic converter to work effectively it needs to be heated up by exhaust gas. In turbo cars there is a nice chunk of metal between the engine and the cats (turbo)....that metal asrobs alot of the heat preventing the cat from working properly. And thus a nice amoutn of carbs are released into the atmosphere on cold start ups in a turbo car. And thus why its so hard to turbo cars with alot of exhaust gases like V6s, V8s, and Rotaries.

Superchargers are typically 50 state legal because there is no modification to the exhaust manifold. And thus it does not affect carbs produces durring start up.

The thing that kills the atmosphere and kills humans is carbon monoxide. the purpose of a cat is to convert it to the less lethal and less harmful carbon dioxide.


There is a loop hole though. Obviously race cars are not subjected to carb limits. and specialty cars that are very low in production numbers (exotics and etc). are not subject to carb limits. And of course 4 cylinders and under are not subjected to carb limits too since the carbs released at startup is smaller then a big V6, V8 or rotary. Diesel cars have no choice since they rely on the compression of a turbo to ignite their fuel.

The RX8 wsa always ment to be a hybrid sports car. To introduce rotaries back into the market. Since the RX7 was gone it develop quite a reputation of blowing up thanks to hp junkies. So to attract people to rotary sports cars they added utility. Someone looking for a 350z may consider the RX8 for more practicality without sacrificing sportiness. It seats people in the back and the trunk works but isnt super big. That was the main point. it was also to test out the new chasis design which is the stiffest ever made by mazda. result is a car faster then the FD3S with less HP and friendly to use. Watch best motoring and they races the RX7 spirit R against the RX8 on the tougue and the RX8 handled better. This chasis will eventually be used in future mazda cars like the MX5 and possibly the next RX7.

If you watch rotary reborn the head designer at Mazda...RX8 project manager was quoted as saying.

"the next car to out perform the RX8 will be the RX7." kinda hinting that the company has ambitions to release a pure sports car. light, 2 seater, and fantastic handling. But alot can happen...oil prices may affect sports car sales like in the 90s. so its yet to be seen. But alot of the next RX7 sucess comes from the sucess of the RX8. wether the public will accept rotary and its wins. Right now Europe and JApan love the RX8. but typical americans say its underpower and didnt really notice the effort put in the handling of the sports car. so its reputation is less popular here then it is in europe and japan. I would be suprised if they release a Mazdaspeed RX8 only in Japan and Europe. They already have a Mazdaspeed RX8 in Japan and it sold out in a few weeks. it didnt have more HP but incredible chasis stiffness and handling due to better braces and new struts/springs. HP was increased 10 hp.

In america all we care about is HP so thats why Mazda was trying to introduce a supercharger or turbo RX8 as the Mazdaspeed edition. but that is hard due to new emissions standard and complexity of the project. And thus a supercharger will be alot asier for the Mazdaspeed guys in America. nothign sells more then Hp in america. people want power so theycan take the car to the drag strip. in Japan and Europe they want a great handling car so they can take it to a road racing track.

example is that in Japan And Europe they see AWD and think, "great grip and tracktion in most situation...pulls you out of the corner like a sling shot." Here we see AWD and say, "sick 60 ft times!." not what AWD was invented for but again its that drag racing thing in America.... HP and stright line attracts people. The vette may win the Lemans and rip the Nurburing apart but do you see it in their advertisments? no you see "500 hp LS7." and thus a person buying a Z06 arent really greatful for all the design that went into the car. a engine only makes up a small portion and the chasis and suspention is what puts the power down. along witht he body design which provides downforce...so that no HP is wasted at high speeds.

 

[Puckpimp71]

well put! It's my new "must read"

 

['87 Turbo II]

I have no problem with a rotary engine. I have a problem with this rotary thats only basis of sales is the gimmic that its a rotary when a 4 cylinder turbo would be far better performer.

alot of people who buy the cars is strictly for the reason. we like to be different, out of the norm, unique. It's the automotive equivalent of getting a mowhawk to differentiate ourselves. 85% of Rx-7s owners bought it for respect and love of the rotary. Unless you can appreciate its uniqueness, and benefits (power per liter ratios 50-50 weight distribution <try that with an I-4> and high free smooth revving) then you don't buy one. The guy on top gear voted it "the best car ever tested in 2003(excluding supercars but mainly means all over for price and all)". and I'll qiuote him again "It doesn't feel like it's running on something as crude as petrol, but rather smooth like double cream. This car is amazing! Now you may ask yourself why a 1.3 liter is on our race track, and it's because it is still a sports car making 236 bhp and and supurb handling abilities." So tell me again the the Rx-8 didn't put Mazda on the performace, map which it wasn't even intended to do. That sounds liek you made it up.

Each rotary expiriment was assigned a goal.

rotary experiment 4 (Rx-4) luxery car
rotary experiment 5 (Rx-5) rotary sedan
rotary experiment 6 (no Rx-6 made, japanese couldn't say "x-6" together properly)
rotary experiment 7 (Rx-7) a rotary powered sports car
rotary experiment 8 (Rx-8) regain popularity and abolish yths of unreliable rotaries by releasing a problem free rotary vehicle offering both perfomrance and day to day driving as a "practicle" sports car.

Get your facts straight, THAT is the reason they made the Rx-8 and THAT is why it has a rotary engine.

 

[KYLiquid]

[QUOTE='87 Turbo II]Each rotary expiriment was assigned a goal.

rotary experiment 4 (Rx-4) luxery car
rotary experiment 5 (Rx-5) rotary sedan
rotary experiment 6 (no Rx-6 made, japanese couldn't say "x-6" together properly)
rotary experiment 7 (Rx-7) a rotary powered sports car
rotary experiment 8 (Rx-8) regain popularity and abolish yths of unreliable rotaries by releasing a problem free rotary vehicle offering both perfomrance and day to day driving as a "practicle" sports car.

Get your facts straight, THAT is the reason they made the Rx-8 and THAT is why it has a rotary engine.[/QUOTE]

im sure that some people might chime in that they have had problems with their cars, or have heard of problems with stock rx8s, and so Ill address that now.

I had a motor replaced in my rx8, after several more repair attempts they found that it was actualy the wiring harness for the fuel pump causing the problems and they replaced my motor for no reason....sure I was a little upset.....and im sure other owners that have problems with a new car are equally upset but it is a new car (even now only in its 3rd productions year) and the failure rate on these motors is something like less than 1%.

of all the RX8s they have built, less than 1% have failed, thats REALLY good, for any car, with any motor.

Wheneve you mass-produce something, there is a failure rate that is to be expected.

 

['87 Turbo II]

yeah also you may say it "seems" like alot of people have problems with them. that's because you're on a web forum the only problems you hear about are from the rare people who have them that post questions on the site. The people with healthy cars don't post "still working just fine" every day so it seems like there are less good ones, when really people wouldn't post unless they have a problem, you get all sorts of problems with anything new that comes out. Like KYLiquid stated, less than 1% is great. We're not trying to make th e8 sound godly or convert you 1sty, but it seems you have a "rotaries suck" message burned so deep in your head, you refuse to hear anyone out. Many people give them a bad rep just because it's different.