New MS6..intrested, but r they built w/ BS?

[MazdaMan03]

Well, im new to the mazda world in the 6 series, I've been debating on what new car to purchase for a year or so now..and i've spiked my thought about going with Mazda...due to having future modding possibilities....\\

I was just wondering if/and what problems these car's roll off the show room floor with..or have they been filtered out???

Also, what are the "actual" dyno numbers if someone has bought and dynoed the new Turbo 6?...i know what mazda "claims", but they have a lieing track record from the past...(i.e. Maita and the newer RX-8), just wondering if they continued there legacy with that.......

Thanks,

 

[rdmello]

I don't know too much about the MS6, but I looked at one in the showroom on Sat. IMO, wait for the MS3 to come out this summer. The reason is that I just didn't see many differences between the regular 6 and the MS6. The MSP had so much more than the regular Protege. I expected to see that in the 6 as well, but I suppose it's targeted to a different consumer. Look for the MS3. I think it will be more targeted to a tuner. Sounds like you're interested in modding.

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

forged internals? direct injection? awd? not enough change?? you just like the tacked on bodykit on the protege as a change?

 

[MazdaMan03]

I don't know too much about the MS6, but I looked at one in the showroom on Sat. IMO, wait for the MS3 to come out this summer. The reason is that I just didn't see many differences between the regular 6 and the MS6. The MSP had so much more than the regular Protege. I expected to see that in the 6 as well, but I suppose it's targeted to a different consumer. Look for the MS3. I think it will be more targeted to a tuner. Sounds like you're interested in modding.

Is that not a hatch back, .....IS THE GAY, not to be a dick in anyway...

Doesn't seem like you know 2 much about the cars ur involved with, It's obvious that the MS6 has had a serious major plateform redesign, even tho the DIPI system is very hard to tune, seeing that there isn't a standalone out there for it yet, and idk how well the ECU's will do on a reflash, or whats available..tell then,...do some more research b4 u attempt to post irrelevent information, or better yet..there's a little sticker on the window of a car that lists its options, you can prolly start from there.......thanks for the reply tho....

 

[t3ase]

Doesn't seem like you know much about where to post a thread.

The attitude is highly disrespectful and if you know so much, why are you asking the questions?

Thread moved to the M6 section, not the Protege section.

 

[Mgkdrgn]

Lets see ... I've owned a Ford Probe GT since they first came out (basically, a modified Mazda MX6), I've driven a LOT of Mazda 6's as rentals, and I now own a new MS6 (in addition to the Probe, which is still running fine, and still outrunning 90% of what is on the road after 16 years and 215K miles).

The "standard" 6 and the MS6 -look- a lot alike ... they both have 4 wheels, and 4 doors, interior has the same "look and feel" ... but beyond that they are two TOTALLY different cars.

I've gotten mine as a 3 year lease, just as "lemon insurance", but if the next three years are anything like the first 1000 miles have been, I intend to keep this puppy for the next 10+ years.

Considering it's only like $2500 more than a loaded standard 6, it's a LOT of car for the $ ... IMHO.

Well, im new to the mazda world in the 6 series, I've been debating on what new car to purchase for a year or so now..and i've spiked my thought about going with Mazda...due to having future modding possibilities....

I was just wondering if/and what problems these car's roll off the show room floor with..or have they been filtered out???

Also, what are the "actual" dyno numbers if someone has bought and dynoed the new Turbo 6?...i know what mazda "claims", but they have a lieing track record from the past...(i.e. Maita and the newer RX-8), just wondering if they continued there legacy with that.......

Thanks,

 

[MazdaMan03]

Doesn't seem like you know much about where to post a thread.

The attitude is highly disrespectful and if you know so much, why are you asking the questions?

Thread moved to the M6 section, not the Protege section.

Your absouloutly correct, I had no clue were to post my question, as i stated in my innitial post, "im new to the mazda world"..(join date being a few days ago), sorry, i posted in the wrong section, thanks for moving it. I also said that i didn't know to much about the car..being what problems come in the package deal for the first round of cars that came out, nothing wrong with that. The HP issue seems to be rather intresting, I do know for a fact that Mazda bullshits about there car's final HP/Tourqe ratings, there's proof of that, so im not attempting to be disrespectful by stating the truth....google it if you like. I ask about MS6, and i get info on a M3, and im told that there isn't a difference between the MS6 vs. the regular M6?....so im glad i did some research...or i would already be looking at a different car, judging by what i was told.

Mgkdrgn, thanks for the input, im taking it as you have been problem free?....if anything does come up, PM please...thanks........

You can lock this thread T3ase if you think i respond like an ass....

 

[genericuser]

well, welcome mazdaman, its always good to have new members to the forums, regardless of your rocky arrival. Anywho, I don't believe anyone has actually dyno'd one of these bad boys yet. 270hp at the crank isn't that bad though. My guess is that it's probably putting down somewhere around 240 at the wheels.

There are a few differences between the regular 6 and the speed 6:
mainly, its direct injection, turbo and all wheel drive. The interior components are a shade better than they are on the normal 6, the ride height is slightly taller to accomodate the awd drivetrain, you have a throaty exhaust, a different hood to accomodate the intercooler, different rear skirt, different front air dam, and a host of other mechanical goodies. But yes, it is quite different from the normal 6.

Lastly, from what we have heard so far, with the exception of one minor problem (window wiring, which is being resolved) and a couple people having turbo hesitation (possibly caused by bad gas or a host of other things) the car has been pretty solid and met with high praise.

Hope that helps!

 

[MazdaMan03]

well, welcome mazdaman, its always good to have new members to the forums, regardless of your rocky arrival. Anywho, I don't believe anyone has actually dyno'd one of these bad boys yet. 270hp at the crank isn't that bad though. My guess is that it's probably putting down somewhere around 240 at the wheels.

There are a few differences between the regular 6 and the speed 6:
mainly, its direct injection, turbo and all wheel drive. The interior components are a shade better than they are on the normal 6, the ride height is slightly taller to accomodate the awd drivetrain, you have a throaty exhaust, a different hood to accomodate the intercooler, different rear skirt, different front air dam, and a host of other mechanical goodies. But yes, it is quite different from the normal 6.

Lastly, from what we have heard so far, with the exception of one minor problem (window wiring, which is being resolved) and a couple people having turbo hesitation (possibly caused by bad gas or a host of other things) the car has been pretty solid and met with high praise.

Hope that helps!

Thanks, I was just on the watch out for jumping into something that would give me issues. A lot of people dont realize, but its gut taking to buy a brandnew production car, first round of batches at least. I did stop by the dealership and check the car out in person, very sharp, i didn't test drive it yet, I figured if it drove nice ,it would be in my garage im trying to be as patient as possible. Aside from that, i really haven't found anything as far as the aftermarket world goes..but thats ok...time to get custom. I notice there's a HUGE space in the front bumper....good location for a FMIC. I was drawn to this car for one giving reason, its modification possibilities, and its sheer stock looks..

 

[genericuser]

yeah, there is a good spot for an FMIC, and that would probably be the first mod I did. But you're probably right to wait an additional year for them to iron out some problems with it.. Mazda had some issues with the speed protege and they fixed a few of them for the "2nd" model year.

 

[silverspeed03]

Does anyone have any ideas of what the new MS3 will look like?

 

[jeffmsp]

MS3 better have AWD..do we know anything about it? I saw a spy pic and it had a hood scoop but other than that i know nothing.

 

[Alejo_NIN]

the next step up after a MSP is ovbiuosly a msp3....since is the 323 anyways, right?


i would never trade in my MSP for any car, it is a rare care and if kept for long it might start to get more supporting mods from companies and maybe one day it will cost as much as a supra (day dreaming) but as long as it is still in one piece i would never trade...

back to topic...don't dig the 6 much...too big

 

[Da 6]

you would have to as the 3 guys on the MS3 updates cause the last test mule I saw was fwd and had a scoop.

Welcome to our part of the forums..BTW what is your current "More HP then U" vehicle?

 

[Newf]

Thanks, I was just on the watch out for jumping into something that would give me issues. A lot of people dont realize, but its gut taking to buy a brandnew production car, first round of batches at least. I did stop by the dealership and check the car out in person, very sharp, i didn't test drive it yet, I figured if it drove nice ,it would be in my garage im trying to be as patient as possible. Aside from that, i really haven't found anything as far as the aftermarket world goes..but thats ok...time to get custom. I notice there's a HUGE space in the front bumper....good location for a FMIC. I was drawn to this car for one giving reason, its modification possibilities, and its sheer stock looks..

yeah, yeah, enough of that. Who are the chicks in your sig

just play'n

If you are thinking of a Mazdaspeed 6, don't wait. They aren't making any more as far as we know.

I think it's a great car. Needs better wheels, a little drop. But with 0-60 times coming in from magazines of 5.4 seconds....and knowing what the car weighs, I'm not doubting there's 270+ hp at the crank at all.

 

[MazdaMan03]

you would have to as the 3 guys on the MS3 updates cause the last test mule I saw was fwd and had a scoop.

Welcome to our part of the forums..BTW what is your current "More HP then U" vehicle?

99 3000GT VR-4.......

Doesn't look like the s1x is gonna make a new batch of cars anytime soon....

 

[Roywhitep5]

the ms6 looks sweet in white! my local dealer has about 10 in stock

 

[ferdinand]

Also, what are the "actual" dyno numbers if someone has bought and dynoed the new Turbo 6?...i know what mazda "claims", but they have a lieing track record from the past...(i.e. Maita and the newer RX-8), just wondering if they continued there legacy with that.......

Thanks,

I dyno'd my MS6 about a week ago on a mustang all wheel drive dyno - it had 1500 miles on at the time. I did three pulls, and the results were pretty inconsistent, but i did leave the traction control on and the fans were blowing in front of the car as opposed to blowing on the top of the iintercooler. The first two runs were 193.5 hp and 214.8 torque (251/279) and 187.5 hp and 201.2 torque (244/262) (boom07) (the dyno operator said he heard something on the second pull and then boost just fell (spike at 3000 rpms and then the power fell w/ boost). I had them turn the car off and we put the fans on the intercooler (had to hold them there) and the traction control was still on for the last pull.. The last pull was 213.4 hp and 240.3 torque. As a reference, Legacy GTs put down 190hp/191 torque on the mustang dyno - operator said there is a 30% loss through the drivetrain. The crank numbers on the last run are 277 hp and 312 torque.

I have no idea why there was so much inconsistency between the runs. I do know that when I experience power loss on the street, I can turn the car off and restart it and get the power back. I also think that having the fans actually blowing on the intercooler had to help - they were of no use in front of the car when the hood is up. I will take it back when I have more miles on the car or if and when mods become available for the ms6 or when there is a fix for the power loss issue and hope for more consistent numbers.

 

[MazdaMan03]

I dyno'd my MS6 about a week ago on a mustang all wheel drive dyno - it had 1500 miles on at the time. I did three pulls, and the results were pretty inconsistent, but i did leave the traction control on and the fans were blowing in front of the car as opposed to blowing on the top of the iintercooler. The first two runs were 193.5 hp and 214.8 torque (251/279) and 187.5 hp and 201.2 torque (244/262) (boom07) (the dyno operator said he heard something on the second pull and then boost just fell (spike at 3000 rpms and then the power fell w/ boost). I had them turn the car off and we put the fans on the intercooler (had to hold them there) and the traction control was still on for the last pull.. The last pull was 213.4 hp and 240.3 torque. As a reference, Legacy GTs put down 190hp/191 torque on the mustang dyno - operator said there is a 30% loss through the drivetrain. The crank numbers on the last run are 277 hp and 312 torque.

I have no idea why there was so much inconsistency between the runs. I do know that when I experience power loss on the street, I can turn the car off and restart it and get the power back. I also think that having the fans actually blowing on the intercooler had to help - they were of no use in front of the car when the hood is up. I will take it back when I have more miles on the car or if and when mods become available for the ms6 or when there is a fix for the power loss issue and hope for more consistent numbers.

Alot of that has to do with the cars factory ECU settings, also, the heat soak on that intercooler is off the wall im sure, being that it has a really bad air flow,.....and heat rises..lol.....

 

[Rainman]

Alot of that has to do with the cars factory ECU settings, also, the heat soak on that intercooler is off the wall im sure, being that it has a really bad air flow,.....and heat rises..lol.....

There was a post recently referring to a Car and Driver article that explained why even these issues might not get the best performance out of a modern car on the dyno. The bottom line was that, like statistics, you can get the numbers to say whatever you wanted depending on how you massaged them. In this case, depending on the time of day the dyno was run, or the speed of the airflow across the bow of the car, or the temperature of the air blowing onto the intercooler, the output of the car in question (in the article a highly-tuned BMW M5) varied by almost 120 whp! That is a friggin' lot!

I don't need a dyno to tell me that my car is fast. What I need the dyno to tell me is how much absolute change from my baseline has each successive mod added. This, you can take to the bank. All the other numbers essentially not worth the time or effort.

Besides, do you want a dyno-queen or a real, live road warrior?

R