My Quest for 13's

[smp3000]

I will start my quest next Thursday night. At night when our temperatures are around 70, the car runs great!!! The straight pipe really gave me some better throttle response.

I'm only running at 6psi but I've been talking to Corky about my feul pressure and might go to 8 before next week.

Staying at 6psi, with a good run-I think I'll run low to mid 14's.

If I go to 8psi.... Who knows... All I want is to hit the 13's.



Wish me luck.

 

[BigBlue]

That'd be awesome...be sure to get your timeslip scanned in for all to see to make it nice and official.

 

[smp3000]

hehe of course.

I have a feeling that at 8 psi-I have a shot. But I guess we won't know until we really see what I can get at my current 6psi... Next week will be the first step.

 

[big_ben]

If I go to 8psi.... Who knows... All I want is to hit the 13's.

You better throw a LSD and some slicks on there if you want to see 13's. You need 200 at the wheels for those numbers.

 

[smp3000]

I agree.... And at 8 psi I will have near 200 at the wheels. I do agree though about tire spin. It will be hard to not let that cause some problems. LSD is still a while away, clutch first.

Like I said, I'm very optimistic, 13's do seem a bit out of reach for now. I'm just excited to see what numbers I can post.

 

[big_ben]

At 8psi, you will be between 185 and 200 at the wheels with the FM kit. What kind of exhaust do you have?

 

[smp3000]

Check out my mods.... Bosal Cat Back 2.25 , and the 2nd Cat is bypassed with a ProDyno straight pipe.

 

[big_ben]

Your exhaust is what is going to hold you below 200 at the wheels. You should get a custom exhaust made in full 3". With the 2.25 I think you will probably be at around 190hp at 8psi. This is they way you have to think about it. Terry has the tubular manifold, and in the beginning, he had a 2.5" exhaust and was running 8psi with 8 injectors and active timing control via the Link. He was only getting 188 at the wheels with that setup. The FM kit has a FMU and no timing control and a log manifold. I'm being optimistic by saying you will 190 at the wheels.

 

[smp3000]

Oh ya, I'll be getting dyno numbers too.

I'm not building my car to be a drag car-so I'll can the 3 inch exhaust.

Per Corky-He will be ready to ship the feul "solution" device within 10 days. I'm interested to see what the guys at FM came up with.

I don't know what you know about manifold design, the "extra" injector theory, or timing control, but comparing my setup to Terry's and coming to conclusions about how much HP I "should" have based on his numbers isn't correct or fair.

Besides, this post was about 1/4 mile times, not HP. A good driver and good temperature could be the deciding factor.

 

[big_ben]

Whoa, settle down, I'm not bashing your turbo setup at all. But you can compare the two turbo systems. Terry's turbo setup has pretty much set the standard of how to reach the 200hp mark. I'm sorry, but the log manifold with 2.25" or 2.5" exhaust will not get 200hp at 8psi. Not to mention the timing isn't controled on your car. It's the stock timing. That may actually get you more hp if you have an MP3, but you also might get some pinging. I'm just being realistic here. If Terry couldn't get 200hp at 8psi with his tubular manifold, piggyback ecu, extra injectors, and a 2.5" exhaust, what makes you think you will. I hope you do because that will mean that just a FMU setup with the turbo is sufficient because that's all I have. But again, I seriously doubt it. The 3" exhaust isn't meant for dragracing, it's meant for less backpressure on the turbin wheel so it can spool freely.

 

[Kooldino]

Ben's pretty much "on" here. While 13's would be nice, it's not realistic without at least an LSD and some poly mounts. The launch is what kills our car. Ironically, I originally thought this post was about 13" rims before I read it. 13" rims might actually help on the drag strip.

 

[smp3000]

Everything is understood... And none of your statements take me by suprise. I, too am being realistic. Notice my post says "quest for 13's" I know with all my current mods 13's are out of reach. 13'a are just the overall goal.

It just irks me a bit when someone comes on and starts pointing at numbers on the chalkboard and setting limitations due to the numbers. The fact is there aren't many turbo MP3's that have ever posted track numbers. Let alone a BEGI/FM kit. Remember we're talking track slips and not HP numbers. I agree with you on your HP remarks.

As far as Terry's setup-yes I agree he so far has set all the standards for turbo MP3's. His 203 WHP is awesome, and I look forward to seeing what else he might do. I've had my turbo setup for only two weeks, and there is so much more waiting to be done.

 

[big_ben]

I believe 13's are within your reach completely. But you have more to do to get there. It won't take much. You definetely need some type of timing control so that you can go to 10psi. You will need a 3" exhaust, and the fuel solution that FM figures out very soon. That's pretty much it. Oh yeah, and some slicks or at least poly motor mounts. Then you should break into the mid 13's. The only real expensive part is the timing control. You can try the J&S Safeguard, but for the most possible power, you need active timing control and not passive/active like the J&S. That's where you will run into a large bill.

 

[smp3000]

The LSD is what is going to hurt the wallet... I want to do that regardless, but man.... Won't be for a while. Any idea on why LSD components are so expensive?

 

[big_ben]

I think there will be a much cheaper one out soon for this car. It will be built for the Pro5 but it will obviously fit in the Protege also. Patrick(linuxracer) has heard rumors of the one from the MSP being available for under $400. I'm sure it's not as good as the Quaife, but it will do.

 

[talon4x4]

Ironically, I originally thought this post was about 13" rims before I read it. 13" rims might actually help on the drag strip.

I wonder if it would actually help. I would think that the amount of wheel spin you would get (ie.tire width too small to handle 200hp and not spin at least the 1st 2 gears) would offset the smaller diameter and speed you would get. You might see a higher top speed in the end though!!

Also, I think the 13s seem a little unrealistic at this point. Maybe if you were right at sealevel, it was about 40 degrees out and the dragstrip went slightly downhill.

 

[LaZaBLuEMp3]

hey smp

what was an estimate cost for ur turbo and eveyrthing

 

[LinuxRacr]

I think there will be a much cheaper one out soon for this car. It will be built for the Pro5 but it will obviously fit in the Protege also. Patrick(linuxracer) has heard rumors of the LSD from the MSP being available for under $400. I'm sure it's not as good as the Quaife, but it will do.

This thing is supposed to be a new revolutionary design that won some awards over in Japan. I called Mazda Motorsports and talked to a rep about the part number I posted, and he said the thing lists for around $500 ( I can't remember exactly), but I bet if you were a member of MazdaMotorsports, it would be around $340. I asked him if this was the LSD from the MSP, and he said that it wasn't expensive enough to be so. I though, what the hell does that have to do with if it is the part or not? I need to talk to someone who knows what they are talking about there.

 

[1sty]

I doubt 13s. hell I doubt low 14's. THe car runs so damn rich at 8 and full throttle to compesate for the ecu being lean that its not that fast. :wtf:

 

[smp3000]

Bhahaha... Wait until you get the feul fix-will be out soon. You shouldn't be running at 8 right now anyways, I couldn't imagine how rich you're running right now-must be richer than a mug of melted chocolate. At 6 psi the car doesn't run rich at all. as long as your FP is around 65 psi.

I guarantee I'll crack 14's-probably mid 14's..