My KLZE Build Journal

[MakeMeGoFast]

Well started this thread last year, and I've progressed about 0% into the project....... I'm not go into a long explanation as to why it stalled last year......so anyway......I'm in the planning stages still.....lol

Yes I'm shooting for the 250whp or more since I'm choosing the KL for the project.
This is Naturally Aspirated

The Plan
The block I use will depend on the condition on the donor car. Either way I'll be using KL31(ze heads), forged rods and pistons will be a must for my sanity. Upgraded vavle-train will also be a must. KLZE are known to drop valves when going above the stock red-line. I haven't decided on what compression ratio yet, staying with 10:1 of the KLZE or a higher ratio. I plan on staying with pump-gas and being somewhat streetable. highest octane I can around my way is 94.......

I've been seduced by the Idea of Individual throttle bodies for this setup as well, there are few people who've I seen do this successfully, although tuning them will be just another hurdle in this project. This also mean probably having a custom hood made to tuck them under the bonnet. Already have an idea for that little problem.

Cams and exhaust will be tuned accordingly, since I haven't chosen exactly where I want the power, they are not yet determined. Basically in my eyes everything will need to be touched upon. so right now I've just covered a few things here. I'm looking for a good balance between reliability and performance...........Yeah I know, thats why I said balance.

With that being said, what are my goals for this car....... I'm seriously considering building a car for this PA Hill Climb So I may go a little further towards the side of non street-ability.

I've put alot of web-time research into this already. And have a pretty good idea where I'm going. As with every project, money is the deciding factor and is the reason why I haven't started this. Hopefully thing progress a little faster this time around...

 

[jomoyo069]

thats cool man

 

[2litrePRO]

So it begins. I finally have the money to start this. And need to stop putting this off. Will be buying the motor within the week and getting this project underway, its gonna be a long process, because I dont want to cut any corners or spare any exspense. Have a friend that will help me out on the machine work. And another friend that will help tackle the wiring with me. What are my horsepower goals with this setup, I'll tell you after I dyno and tune it. Like the FSDE, N/A isnt usally the route takin with the KLZE, but I like being different. Its gonna be alot of money but Im willing to pay to play. Just means I'll be workin alot of overtime. Anyway should be fun, and as things happen pictures will be posted.

I will be talkin to ya

**** yeah! coolest thread ever. What ecu do you plan to run? Good Luck, take lots of pics.

 

[NMMotorsport]

sounds good bra.

 

[mpvpsu]

Sounds like it's going to be a good build.
Where are you in SE PA?

 

[alphanumeric]

So it begins. I finally have the money to start this. And need to stop putting this off. Will be buying the motor within the week and getting this project underway, its gonna be a long process, because I dont want to cut any corners or spare any exspense. Have a friend that will help me out on the machine work. And another friend that will help tackle the wiring with me. What are my horsepower goals with this setup, I'll tell you after I dyno and tune it. Like the FSDE, N/A isnt usally the route takin with the KLZE, but I like being different. Its gonna be alot of money but Im willing to pay to play. Just means I'll be workin alot of overtime. Anyway should be fun, and as things happen pictures will be posted.

I will be talkin to ya

(2thumbs) you've got some work ahead of you but i'd like to see it done. is this the first time a protege will be fitted with a KLZE ? it's a great idea though, maybe this would be the time to get a standalone ecu, megasquirt is pretty big in the GE crowd, especially if you're gonna go F/I... post pix ! make sure you get the ZE though, some guys just put the curved IM and call it a ZE and sell it

here's some tips on confiming a real ze, in case you don't have them (from easyBOB at the MX-6 forum)

You should know these part numbers so you dont get ripped off! Don't buy another DE with the ZE IM!

1) IM: Make sure its not the EUNOS 800, I hear it has a problem fitting. The ZE IM has a longer neck to the TB, just look at the 03 IM and the ZE IM and you will see the difference.
2) TB: Should read KL31
3) HEADS: One should read KL31-101 and the other KL31-1A1
4) CAMS: Should read KL-31
5) PISTONS: Pull a spark plug and shine a light down in there to see the top of the piston. Make sure they are flat.

THE ECU AND VAF/MAF:

Update (Nov. 7, 2006) by BShark for options depending on year:
93-95 (OBDI):
1) You can use the a-spec ECU with the a-spec VAF(Haynes calls it a MAF), but you won't get all the power out of the ZE.
or
2) Get the j-spec ECU and MX-3 MAF. Pull the wire to the ECU from the speedo to "fix" the limiter.

96-97 (OBDII):
1) Swap the OBDII harness to OBDI, and anything else required to run OBDI (Not as bad as it sounds).
or
2) Use MSD (digital) window switches and an AFPR to manually adjust the VRIS points and fuel curves.

here are some J-spec ecu and VAF part numbers:

Part Numbers for j-spec ECU and MX-3 MAF:
ECU: as it appears on the label.
2Z KL36G
KL36
EGI
KL31 18 881F
079700-3613

VAF:
JE50
197200-0060

I have also seen JE50 197200-0070.


Note: You need to use the right ECU/MAF combonation. The MX-3 MAF and the a-spec (stock MX-6) VAF do NOT output the same signal to the ECU.

there are other tips but i assume they dont pertain to you since you're swapping from a FS to a KL, these other tips are for swapping from a KLDE to a KLZE

p.s. sorry for the long post

 

[MakeMeGoFast]

(2thumbs) you've got some work ahead of you but i'd like to see it done................................

Seriously good looking out. Planning on going stand alone Definately considering Megasquirt, will be better in the long run for tuning. And in some ways alot easier then tryin to fool around with the stock ecu. Its been recommended that I get a doner MX-6 So I have all neccesarry parts when I got to swap the engines, Tranny, Axles, Radiator Etc.

It has been done before a few times mostly up in Canadia. Its about a 50lbs diference, in engines. can counteract with CF hood and battery relocation.
Im really trying touch and change everything if necessary. If it can be improved Im gonna improve it. I dont have a time frame with this project and am gonna try to be as patience as possible with every step. cause god know rushing just leads down a bad road. But again good lookin out.

MPVPSU
yeah Im in Ridley Township

 

[mazdaspeed777]

subbin for updates on the buld

 

[SIBalla23]

Subbin

 

[Boosted03MSP]

Good luck on the build man. I have a MX6 and have been a veteran in the MX6 community for a long time. Its nice to see the protege guys using the ZE. ANd to your statement about doing something different with the ZE by staying N/A, thats not different. Only a handful of ZE owners actually get them turbod compared to the amount that stay NA. But either way, in a lighter Protege and with some bolt ons, trust me it will scream. Get a standalone, I/H/E ur pulley some tuning, flywheel etc. It will scream. Easy to achieve 220whp in a ZE Good luck, def subbing to se the outcome

 

[MakeMeGoFast]

ANd to your statement about doing something different with the ZE by staying N/A, thats not different. Only a handful of ZE owners actually get them turbod compared to the amount that stay NA.

As you say you are a Vet of the community and that I am not. LOL. Just seemed that way. when browsing through some of the forums. Probetalk, MX-6.com Etc. 2, I've been reading through the most. Im sure there are more.
I was making that assumption about N/A KL series motors in general. I mean obviously the majority of KL Series motors are N/A vs TC. Its the same with The FS series motors. but to the extent I want to go.Is why I maid the Assumption But could be wrong, dont know.

 

[alphanumeric]

If it can be improved Im gonna improve it. I dont have a time frame with this project and am gonna try to be as patience as possible with every step. cause god know rushing just leads down a bad road. But again good lookin out.

no problem, i really want to see it done. getting a donor mx-6/probe would probably make it easier and simpler to source parts than having to collect all the harnesses, mounts, etc. good idea about upgrading things while the motor is out, it'll save a lot of time in the long run. think about an mx-3 flywheel, if i can recall it correctly i think they're 7lbs ?

 

[mazdaspeed777]

This might be a dumb question but pardon my ingnorance, Isn't the KLZE what they put in the MX-3's and MX-5's?

 

[XxaltezzaxX]

This might be a dumb question but pardon my ingnorance, Isn't the KLZE what they put in the MX-3's and MX-5's?

They are found in the jdm mx6. Mx3 had the 1.8 6 cly, and the mx5 is the miata.
Good luck with the project, can't wait for this to happen.

 

[mazdaspeed777]

They are found in the jdm mx6. Mx3 had the 1.8 6 cly, and the mx5 is the miata.
Good luck with the project, can't wait for this to happen.

Yah thats what I thought. I was thinking the MX-3 6cylinder engine and I was like damn! that will be alot of work. Thanks for the clearification.

 

[XxaltezzaxX]

Yah thats what I thought. I was thinking the MX-3 6cylinder engine and I was like damn! that will be alot of work. Thanks for the clearification.

Actually their are people who have done the klze swap into the mx3, I've seen a few that where turbo to. The same way you would swap in the kl into the protege is that same way you drop it in the mx3. Hell I've seen a first gen pro with the kl in it, now thats what I want to do to my dads car.

 

[Crazee D]

Lots of info around here on this
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113494

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123662058

 

[alphanumeric]

the mx-3 v6 doesnt sound like a bad idea for a protege either

 

[jeffmsp]

1.8l v6 = slow but a cool motor that sounds nice but for the work your doing might as well spend a few hundred more and get the klze. heck even the kl-03 is like $500 cdn and its 160hp and would go great with 6psi boost if you ever turned to the dark side.

 

[alphanumeric]

yeah i'm going boost with my de, ze is a litte higher compression for my taste, although the extra hp is pretty tempting

i ran (de atx) against a ze (mtx) powered mx-6 (although he was using a de ecu) and i kept even with him until about 1/8mi when he took off. higher end (and mtx) is definitely an advantage