My dyno #'s :)

[kwiktsi]

im callin' it

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J/K joe. nice job getting some R&D done
but you will need better intake piping and maybe FMIC we have now for the protege(hint hint)
cool the charge down a little on that T25.
did you have the MAF blocker on? i forgot to ask youthat before.

hahah- I was hoping there was a J/K down there after our converation today . I definately need better piping, I want to do IC also, but want to do it on the stock IC for now just for :bragging rights" . I would leave the piping if I wasn't worried about it exploding!!!

Yeah, I have the latest design of my FCD in there. The one that will probably see production.
Joe

 

[nobody]

Re: Re: Re: My dyno #'s

I usually do back to back to back dyno runs till I get a stable number, that a real world number!! I have friend that freezes the I/C will N2O and get 60whp out of the run!!!!

Umm, no- it holds 19 until the turbo can't hold it anymore and drops off from there.

I only got 1 full run after that and it was after a few different attempts to up the load on the rollers to try to keep the boost up- so it was VERY hot and I had the boost down 15 max (playing with the controller while doing the load tests) and it did like 198 (about 227 corrected)...

I have a video of the boost gauge during the run if anyone knows how to put it up here. It is kind of jumpy as I am running through the gears, but once I get to third, I steady the camera out . Let me know how to post it and I will put it up!!
Joe

 

[AGR]

Re: Re: That is BAD ASS!!

Yes and no- yes because it is not the strongest motor out there and no because I know it is not as weak as people mention and I know my tuning. I have to see it for myself. A lot of the problems are tuning issues coupled with a weak motor. It will live a lot longer if tuned and monitored properly and you lift off when there is a problem and don't just keep pushing it
Joe

Ok. I guess with your know how, if it did blow; would you just try to get it back to stock, and carry it to Mazda, or just rebuild it yourself, and not try to get it passed them?

I was out this morning on some back country roads running around 9psi, and I don't know if I could have handled much more of a grin!! But; The Back Road Boogie is more my thing.

 

[kwiktsi]

Is having colder plugs a good thing to have if you plan on upping the boost of the car, even if your only looking to go to 10psi.

It will be some added insurance for those "just in case" situations .. I wanted to wait until my tank was pure pump gas to test them more and then I was going to give feedback. Just remember guys- *my* particular MSP can run aver 14 psi on a hot day without detonating- on a cool day it pings badly at 11 psi. This is new to all of us- I have no clue how this car will run come winter time . It is *your job* as the driver and "tweaker" (you did the mods- you are the tweaker ) to monitor such things as boost, A/F, detonation, etc. If the temp drops and all the MSP's start to detonate at 9 psi and all you 9.5 psi guys launch the motors because you are ignorantly (not calling you guys "ignorant", just saying you are ignoring wha the car is doing) pounding their cars, you have no one to blame but yourself. Believe me, there are several members here who know the difference and will post immediately if there tuning suddenly changes and the car runs like crap or is potentially going to blow up .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: Re: Re: Re: My dyno #'s

I usually do back to back to back dyno runs till I get a stable number, that a real world number!! I have friend that freezes the I/C will N2O and get 60whp out of the run!!!!

I agree, HOWEVER- this guy didn't have squat for fans, so we couldn't copy the "real world 60+mph wind" going through the IC, radiator and engine compartment either ..

The first run was the closest to real #'s for my car because it was hammered all the way to the dyno and then driven right up without even being turned off . It was a good simulation of what the car would do after sitting at a light and then smoking the Mustang next to you .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: Re: Re: That is BAD ASS!!

Ok. I guess with your know how, if it did blow; would you just try to get it back to stock, and carry it to Mazda, or just rebuild it yourself, and not try to get it passed them?

I was out this morning on some back country roads running around 9psi, and I don't know if I could have handled much more of a grin!! But; The Back Road Boogie is more my thing.

I don't know. Even if I pulled one over on Mazda, I would still build another motor and swap it out anyway. So I might just spend the extra $200-$300 on a core motor and build it instead of going through the hassle of dealing with Mazda, waiting for them to fix it and then pulling it out anyway. Honestly, it would depend on the financial situation at the time and what I was doing when it went- if I was really pissed and bitching about it being a weak POS, I would probably put it to stock, let Mazda do it and then trade it in towards my Evo .

you gotta try the "back road boogie" at 15+ psi !! Well, not literally- don't go blow your car up . Just saying how much more fun it is with the power ).
Joe

 

[nobody]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My dyno #'s

just want to make sure! knows a lot of people will let the car sit for 11/2 hour, then do a run, and use that number for promo!! but I usually only use a small blue fan on the dyno, as the Dynojet doesn't have much of a load....that why tune on dyno---blow up on the street!!!

I agree, HOWEVER- this guy didn't have squat for fans, so we couldn't copy the "real world 60+mph wind" going through the IC, radiator and engine compartment either ..

The first run was the closest to real #'s for my car because it was hammered all the way to the dyno and then driven right up without even being turned off . It was a good simulation of what the car would do after sitting at a light and then smoking the Mustang next to you .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My dyno #'s

just want to make sure! knows a lot of people will let the car sit for 11/2 hour, then do a run, and use that number for promo!! but I usually only use a small blue fan on the dyno, as the Dynojet doesn't have much of a load....that why tune on dyno---blow up on the street!!!

I see it ALL the time- like you said for promo reasons!! I could have let my car sit until about 11pm when it got to low 60's and the motor, IC, turbo, etc was cold and pull it on barely warmed up and probably show almost 50-60 more, but I wanted practical . I would like to get a number on a cool night though, I would put $$$ on it that this car makes 30-40 more hp when the temp drops..
Joe

 

[changedman]

excellent! just make sure you dont throw a rod!

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My dyno #'s

just want to make sure! knows a lot of people will let the car sit for 11/2 hour, then do a run, and use that number for promo!! but I usually only use a small blue fan on the dyno, as the Dynojet doesn't have much of a load....that why tune on dyno---blow up on the street!!!

Oh yeah- that's why I always say dyno #'s are bulls*** when people are shopping for products like CAI's, ground kits, etc. you tell me what gains you want to see and I'll let you see it on a dyno .

I always said it isn't worth my time and I wouldn't bother to dyno the car- only track tune it, but with all the non-believers and such out there and all the curious ones also, I figured what the hell .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

excellent! just make sure you dont throw a rod!

Damn guys, I am trying not to think about that stuff- you're gonna jinx me . Seriously though, I think I proved that tuning had a lot to do with it- a lot of people have lost their motors making a lot less power.
Joe

 

[perfworks]

while your at the shop this week we can talk about some piping if you dont make it yourself

 

[InsidiousMSP]

Damn guys, I am trying not to think about that stuff- you're gonna jinx me . Seriously though, I think I proved that tuning had a lot to do with it- a lot of people have lost their motors making a lot less power.
Joe

Awesome numbers. What are you using to tune it?

 

[kwiktsi]

Awesome numbers. What are you using to tune it?

Butt dyno .. I have no electronics in the car at all. I have my FP reduction kit to drop the pressure since the car is way to rich (over 10:1 AF stock- I am 13:1 on 116 now), my prototype FCD to elimintate fuel cut, colder plugs and just basic stuff (experimenting with plug gaps, heat ranges, etc.).. I am waiting to see how much boost I can get away with without detonating once the 116 is gone and I have straight pump- it used to be 11 psi on a cool night with the stock PLATINUM (who puts platinum in a turbo car anyway- MAZDA???) plugs. I am hoping for 13-15 with the colder plugs- I will know in the next few days..

The 116 coupled with the colder plugs is what made the car handle that psi without detonating. I will do some pump gas runs once the tank is pure pump gas. Actually, it probably won't be much worse since the turbo is pretty ineffecient (sp?) up that high and it dropped to 14 or so anyway. If I can handle 14 on pump, it may make about the same power. Later.
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Anybody here want to let me know how to put a vid clip up??
Joe

 

[InsidiousMSP]

Anybody here want to let me know how to put a vid clip up??
Joe

Do you know how to get it from your camera to your computer? If not, what camera model do you have?

If you do have it on your computer, e-mail it to me, jeff@streetimage.net and I'll host it so you can post it here.

 

[AGR]

Do you know how to get it from your camera to your computer? If not, what camera model do you have?

If you do have it on your computer, e-mail it to me, jeff@streetimage.net and I'll host it so you can post it here.

Excellent! NEED4SPEED hosted my videos that Corey and I made. My Olympus loads them out as Quick Time; then I converted them to AVI, then; MPEG.

 

[kwiktsi]

Do you know how to get it from your camera to your computer? If not, what camera model do you have?

If you do have it on your computer, e-mail it to me, jeff@streetimage.net and I'll host it so you can post it here.

On it's way. If I can get 263 whp out of a "stock" msp, I think I can get my video off my camera . Thanks for helping!!!!
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Here is the link to my blurry ass boost gauge vid . "these cars can't handle boost" ...
http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/misc/MOV00379.MPG

thanks Insidious!!!
Joe

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

all praise joe.