My dyno #'s :)

[kwiktsi]

Guys, just got back. Unfortunately we could only get 1 good pull due to heatsoak . He didn't have crap for a fan ..

Anyway- the dyno is a "land and sea" portable dyno. The operator told me right off the bat that you have to add 15% to compare with stanard DynoJet chassis dyno results..

With that being said- I did 229.1 hp@5800 and 212.9@5100-

That equates to about 263.5hp and about 244 ft lbs on a typical dynojet chassis dyno .. I called 260 last night- should have took bets ..

This was with an 18-19 psi peak and dropping to about 13-14 psi by redline on 116 and colder plugs. The dyno operator was very impressed with both the peak output and the flat torque curve and with the fact that it held a steady 13:1 AF..
Joe

 

[Kooldino]

19psi! :-O

Holy GOD!

 

[SuperSpud]

isnt 19 high?? good job though.. how much wheel hp is that??

 

[kwiktsi]

isnt 19 high?? good job though.. how much wheel hp is that??

Umm- that was wheel HP . 19 psi is high on pump gas, untuned and stock plugs. I was running 116, lots of time tuning and colder plugs .
Joe
PS- I was shooting for 21 psi, but couldn't get enough runs to get it situated.

 

[twiztedjeckel]

not too shabby

 

[PaulMP3]

nice

 

[BlueMP5Dave]

good R&D, seems to be coming along nicely

 

[MP3skaterNC]

crazy 19psi on stock internals, geez. JOE YOUR CRAZY!!!! wow. geez, dyno on pump gas now fool!

 

[kwiktsi]

crazy 19psi on stock internals, geez. JOE YOUR CRAZY!!!! wow. geez, dyno on pump gas now fool!

I want to dyno on pump, but I still have 116 in it from the track the other night. This was mainly to see what it would do "maxed" out. There was still more to go, but I only got 3 pulls and it was too hot to improve on this. I am thinking of going to another dyno in a few weeks to tune on pump and then shoot for a better peak on race fuel.

It is not the PSI that is killing these motors- it is the tuning. Granted, they are not the strongest- but they are not what people say either.
Joe
PS- Anyone know the HP drop through the drivetrain in these cars? I am curious what I am at the crank- has to be about 300..

 

[kwiktsi]

good R&D, seems to be coming along nicely

Thanks .. The car is doing much better than originally expected. I am quite happy with it.
Joe

 

[AGR]

That is BAD ASS!!

Joe: Aren't you afraid of it just blowing the hell up??!!

 

[2K3 MSP]

Like he said Greg, thats the best way to know what your car can handle....Push it till it blows, then turn it down a notch the next time around. Good work Joe!!

 

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

ok joe, you keep mentioning colder plugs in your car, obvioulsy meaning spark plugs. What are the advantages of running these over the stock one's we have and also the most important question were'd ya get them, and what are the one's your using.

 

[nobody]

How long did it stay @ 19 psi? or it just gradually comes down to 13-14 psi? if it only stray at 19psi for a split second, I would call that a spike. what kind hp did you during heat soak?

Guys, just got back. Unfortunately we could only get 1 good pull due to heatsoak . He didn't have crap for a fan ..

Anyway- the dyno is a "land and sea" portable dyno. The operator told me right off the bat that you have to add 15% to compare with stanard DynoJet chassis dyno results..

With that being said- I did 229.1 hp@5800 and 212.9@5100-

That equates to about 263.5hp and about 244 ft lbs on a typical dynojet chassis dyno .. I called 260 last night- should have took bets ..

This was with an 18-19 psi peak and dropping to about 13-14 psi by redline on 116 and colder plugs. The dyno operator was very impressed with both the peak output and the flat torque curve and with the fact that it held a steady 13:1 AF..
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: That is BAD ASS!!

Joe: Aren't you afraid of it just blowing the hell up??!!

Yes and no- yes because it is not the strongest motor out there and no because I know it is not as weak as people mention and I know my tuning. I have to see it for myself. A lot of the problems are tuning issues coupled with a weak motor. It will live a lot longer if tuned and monitored properly and you lift off when there is a problem and don't just keep pushing it
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

ok joe, you keep mentioning colder plugs in your car, obvioulsy meaning spark plugs. What are the advantages of running these over the stock one's we have and also the most important question were'd ya get them, and what are the one's your using.

Colder plugs will help prevent detonation because they run cooler at the tip (transfer more heat to the head) and do not pre-ignite as easily. The stock Platinums are even worse since they are 1) a hotter plug and 2) platinum tends to get extremely hot at the tip and glow which will cause pre ignition issues.

The plugs I got are NGK BKR7E, stock #6097- either number should be fine. Any parts store that carries NGK should either have them or be able to get them with no problem. It is a standard NGK plug- 1 heat range colder and standard tip.
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Like he said Greg, thats the best way to know what your car can handle....Push it till it blows, then turn it down a notch the next time around. Good work Joe!!

I would prefer to not blow it, but you got it .. I am not really even looking for it's limits right now- just need to see if it will do what I am looking to do with it right now.
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Re: Re: My dyno #'s

How long did it stay @ 19 psi? or it just gradually comes down to 13-14 psi? if it only stray at 19psi for a split second, I would call that a spike. what kind hp did you during heat soak?

Umm, no- it holds 19 until the turbo can't hold it anymore and drops off from there.

I only got 1 full run after that and it was after a few different attempts to up the load on the rollers to try to keep the boost up- so it was VERY hot and I had the boost down 15 max (playing with the controller while doing the load tests) and it did like 198 (about 227 corrected)...

I have a video of the boost gauge during the run if anyone knows how to put it up here. It is kind of jumpy as I am running through the gears, but once I get to third, I steady the camera out . Let me know how to post it and I will put it up!!
Joe

 

[perfworks]

im callin' it

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J/K joe. nice job getting some R&D done
but you will need better intake piping and maybe FMIC we have now for the protege(hint hint)
cool the charge down a little on that T25.
did you have the MAF blocker on? i forgot to ask youthat before.

 

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

Colder plugs will help prevent detonation because they run cooler at the tip (transfer more heat to the head) and do not pre-ignite as easily. The stock Platinums are even worse since they are 1) a hotter plug and 2) platinum tends to get extremely hot at the tip and glow which will cause pre ignition issues.

Is having colder plugs a good thing to have if you plan on upping the boost of the car, even if your only looking to go to 10psi.