My car is toast. What should I do?

[IM__STILL_HERE]

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[peepsalot]

Two clicks and you are ignored. Sorry I can't hear you. Buh-bye.

 

[IM__STILL_HERE]

hehe yeah, thank you for teh helpings mistar smarteypants.

AS, all and all, I aint never said it was or wasnt electric, and I aint never said it was mechanical

MY POIT WAS ITS UNKNOWN AND MORE TESTING WAS NEEDED

ANYTHING WOULD BE AN ASSUPTION, ANS ASSUMPTIONS ARE THE MOTHER OF ALL **** UPS.

sO, YOUR WELCOLM

I know mechanical, not electric, THAT IS WHY I ASKED HOW IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE

IT AINT MY FAULT IF ALL OF THESE SLOW ASS HOLES TOOK A HOUR TO ANSWER THE ******* QUESTION

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

boostisgood, "IM__STILL_HERE" is NOT matty.. I'm just clearing his name. This guy, however, has no ******* clue what he is talking about. Matty actually has good mechanical sense. Quite good, matter of fact.

 

[boostisgood]

Thanks for clearing that up Spicy. Matty seems to have calmed down, from what I have seen over at Pclub, but this guy does have somewhat the same attitude that Matty took in his final days here.

Sorry for pissin anyone off with my assumption.

 

[azian6er]

so peepes, any good gains? have you had a chance to test it out?

-B

 

[TurfBurn]

You guys know that we sell a similar spacer too right? Just in case you are interested...

 

[peepsalot]

so peepes, any good gains? have you had a chance to test it out?

-B

Honestly it is hard for me to tell. I am way cautious of the placebo effect to really say that I can feel a difference. The engine sounds a bit different to me, and there might be a little extra oomph on the top end.
But, I'm still having some a problem that I am working out. It is only noticable before the car is warmed up, but could be affecting overall performance as well. What happens is the rpm's dip a bit before going up whenever I slightly touch the gas. I didn't have a good vacuum seal on the gaskets the first time I tried, so I'm wondering if I still might have a small vacuum leak. I did notice the engine reaches operating temperature much faster now, which means to me that the spacers are doing their job.

You guys know that we sell a similar spacer too right? Just in case you are interested...

I know, too bad I got my outlaw engineering ones before yours were developed. I would have gotten yours instead. They look very nice, not to mention better price.

 

[TurfBurn]

I know, too bad I got my outlaw engineering ones before yours were developed. I would have gotten yours instead. They look very nice, not to mention better price.

I couldn't resist the opening for a shameless plug... I try to avoid it.. but it was just so huge! LOL....

As far as your sealing... did the outlaw ones come with the extra side gaskets? or was it just the phenolic spacer itself... I see on their website that they include some kind of additional gasket or something. We found out that we didn't have to because of the nature of the plastic we use forms a very nice seal...

It's a good technology and Outlaw makes a good product! The bigger effect of them is going to be more about the cooler charge temps than the power. Especially when you are turbo those few degrees can make a big difference toward detonation or not.

 

[peepsalot]

I couldn't resist the opening for a shameless plug... I try to avoid it.. but it was just so huge! LOL....

As far as your sealing... did the outlaw ones come with the extra side gaskets? or was it just the phenolic spacer itself... I see on their website that they include some kind of additional gasket or something. We found out that we didn't have to because of the nature of the plastic we use forms a very nice seal...

It's a good technology and Outlaw makes a good product! The bigger effect of them is going to be more about the cooler charge temps than the power. Especially when you are turbo those few degrees can make a big difference toward detonation or not.

The outlaw kit came with two new paper gaskets that I somehow managed to rip both of. I ended up putting some red gasket sealant silicone stuff directly on both sides of the spacer and sealed it all up. I actually think it is better this way, only two seals to worry about, as opposed to four seals when using a gasket on each side.
I know the spacers are more about cooler charge temps than power gains. I figure they will be most beneficial during long drives. I got them mainly because I beleive it will help mileage on long trips.
Any performance differences I notice right away, I would attribute to the vtcs removal and porting of the manifold.

Just another note: The VTCS removal and porting are actually the first power altering mods I have done on my car. For someone that has done more to their car already, I think the gains would be much more noticable.

 

[TurfBurn]

Silicone gasket sealer would definitely work as well. Good thinking!

From our testing the big places that the gasket helped in the temp was idling, slow speed, and heavy loading situations (hard acceleration/hills etc). Cruising at highway speed it did still keep the charge cooler, but the difference was less than in some of the other circumstances. But yeah they do help one way or another.

Well good job on all the work. It's a fair bit of an undertaking!

Have a good one,

Steve

 

[FSDET]

hey peepsalot how hard was it to install the spacers ? im changin the strut tower soon so i thought itll be easier to take out the mani and do the TB spacer. im sure itll be easier with the bar out right ? and how does it fit ?
Turfburn:what the diffrence between urs and outlaws ? other then being cheaper ? thanks

 

[peepsalot]

It took me forever to swap out my manifolds, but for just putting spacers, you don't need to remove it all the way.
The second time I took it all apart to fix the gaskets, it still took me 4 hours, but that was at night with not so good lighting. Turfburn's how to is very in depth, even describing with length extensions to use, etc. I would recommend you read that. I think removing the tower bar is a must, not to mention that will be the easiest part, lol. I did manage to lose one of my tower bar nuts though. It fell into the engine compartment somewhere near the battery, and never came out again. (doh)

 

[FSDET]

cool thanks, btw u had 2 manifolds and u ported one ?

 

[TurfBurn]

hey peepsalot how hard was it to install the spacers ? im changin the strut tower soon so i thought itll be easier to take out the mani and do the TB spacer. im sure itll be easier with the bar out right ? and how does it fit ?
Turfburn:what the diffrence between urs and outlaws ? other then being cheaper ? thanks

If you are really flying you can do a spacer install in about 2 hours or less... but you have to be spot on with every part of the work.

Our spacers differ from Outlaw's in that the fit is far better... from what I've heard and my direct experience there was a bit of filing and mismatch to deal with on the Outlaw spacers. Ours is an exact match of the stock gasket, so it fits perfectly. Also, we use a slightly different material that is more thermally resisitive than the outlaw material, so we can go slightly thinner and still have equal or better thermal performance. This alleviates the need for extra hardware as well. Additionally, the plastic we use is a bit softer so it conforms very nicely and makes a good solid seal without extra gaskets in most cases. Overall we think we offer a better product, at a much better price!

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[peepsalot]

cool thanks, btw u had 2 manifolds and u ported one ?

Yeah, I got a spare from someone on the board, in case anyting went wrong. I will probably sell the original one eventually, but that depends if I can work out a small problem I've been having since I swapped them. I might have to go back to stock.