my brother in laws rsx type s!

[dmitrik4]

i can't believe i'm going to post in this thread again...

but you're totally neglecting the gearbox. THAT is what puts the torque to the wheels...it multiplies the torque produced by the engine. THAT'S the torque that turns the wheels. POWER to the wheels is not affected by a gearbox, but TORQUE is (a gearbox is by definition a "torque multiplier"). take a look back at the gear ratio and torque to the wheels calcs i posted earlier. you'll see that the two cars are close in some gears and not close in others.

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BUT the fact remains that almost EVERY testing party that has run BOTH cars has recorded the RSX-S as being quicker both to 60 and the 1/4 mile. so all these numbers arguments and "other car" comparisons are pointless b/c the test results are right there.
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(and the MSP does handle MUCH better. just be happy with that.) geez.

i know SOME people will continue to believe (in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence) that the MSP is the fastest car ever made because "it has TURBO", so go ahead and believe that if it makes you happy. but please make sure what you are posting is accurate b/c we don't want to give Protege drivers a bad name.

 

[tritonheat1]

i can't believe i'm going to post in this thread again...

but you're totally neglecting the gearbox. THAT is what puts the torque to the wheels...it multiplies the torque produced by the engine. THAT'S the torque that turns the wheels. POWER to the wheels is not affected by a gearbox, but TORQUE is (a gearbox is by definition a "torque multiplier"). take a look back at the gear ratio and torque to the wheels calcs i posted earlier. you'll see that the two cars are close in some gears and not close in others.

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BUT the fact remains that almost EVERY testing party that has run BOTH cars has recorded the RSX-S as being quicker both to 60 and the 1/4 mile. so all these numbers arguments and "other car" comparisons are pointless b/c the test results are right there.
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(and the MSP does handle MUCH better. just be happy with that.) geez.

i know SOME people will continue to believe (in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence) that the MSP is the fastest car ever made because "it has TURBO", so go ahead and believe that if it makes you happy. but please make sure what you are posting is accurate b/c we don't want to give Protege drivers a bad name.

yeah u know what dmitrik, maybe you used to own a Type-S and know alittle more experience about it than i do, BTW on the Dyno chart it SAYS IT ALL. The Type-S lost more hp and torque than the MS-P did, which the matter of fact the Type-S puts out 30More HP than the MS-P does, and 2 mr.tenth he was stating about Torque #'s nothing about gear ratios or About the (gearbox). And I like how u put word's in other people's mouth, cause i never said the MS-P was the fastest car on the planet just because it has"TURBO". Even though you were being sarcastic, don't hate:mad: . Everybody knows that the MS-P has the advantage over the Type-S so just face it.

 

[dmitrik4]

so it "loses more HP"? so? the fact remains that it PUTS MORE POWER TO THE WHEELS. that's all that counts. a Top Fuel dragster loses several hundred HP thru its drivetrain, does that make it slower than an MSP or an Corvette or whatever? of course not, b/c it's power at the wheels that matters.

and engine torque numbers don't really matter either, b/c that torque gets multiplied thru the gearbox before it gets to the wheels to move the car. THAT'S the relevance of the gear ratios.

it's obvious we'll never agree here. i'll do some looking and provide a link to actual RSX-S timeslips. if you can provide consistently faster slips for the MSP, i might change my opinion. but i doubt that will happen.

and yes, i was being sarcastic. but some people seem to think that a turbo'd engine is something special, like the power rating doesn't take the turbo into account or something...


EDIT: RSX 1/4 times ...doesn't list mods tho. i'll keep looking for stock timeslips.

EDIT 2: Stock timeslips ...looks like 15.0 @93-94 mph is the time most people run stock. see if you can round up some MSP timeslips to compare.

 

[tritonheat1]

I may not have any timeslips for the MS-P but as i posted below this topic you'll see SE-R vs. Type-S. This was actual a pretty darn close race, but this is all i have to prove that i've seen a Type-S run 'em with my eyes. Http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225showthread.php?s=&threadid=11075 And also i have no slips for the SE-R nor Type-S but i'm just comparing these two from a Site, Both Stock.

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?idi=5&id2=221


SE-R Mods:
AEM CAI, OBX Exhaust, Eibach springs, Removal of Balance shafts, and Hotshot header.

Type-S mods:
AEM CAI, some Exhaust, and Type-R computer.

And the results of a 165hp SE-R modded VS. a 200Hp Type-S modded.

 

[dmitrik4]

ok, no more mention of the SE-R. that doesn't get us any farther in this conversation. we're not talking about an SE-R, we're talking about hard, documented times of the RSX-S and the MSP.

of course there aren't any MSP timeslips floating around yet. eventually, there will be, so when there are, post them in here and we can talk more.

ps. your links didn't work.

 

[saided18]

ok, no more mention of the SE-R. that doesn't get us any farther in this conversation. we're not talking about an SE-R, we're talking about hard, documented times of the RSX-S and the MSP.

of course there aren't any MSP timeslips floating around yet. eventually, there will be, so when there are, post them in here and we can talk more.

ps. your links didn't work.

Onbe guy on this board did bring his turbo P5 to the track and ran about a 15.5 @ 4 lbs of boost. i don't know if it helps but the MSP does have run around 6-7 so i would say it would run about low 15's. but then again that is only my opinion.

 

[brennan]

I personally hate the rsx type s, I hate the way it looks, I hate the way it feels. I test drove one just to see what it is like and I was very disapointed. I would never buy that car I just don't think it looks all that good IMO, It may be faster than my p5 for now but I would take a msp anyday considering the msp handles better than a wrx just makes it that much better and it looks a HELL of alot better, Honda hasn't been able to produce any good looking cars lately (civic Si, Accord, RSX) Honda is just going downhlll. Just my opinion

 

[dmitrik4]

Onbe guy on this board did bring his turbo P5 to the track and ran about a 15.5 @ 4 lbs of boost. i don't know if it helps but the MSP does have run around 6-7 so i would say it would run about low 15's. but then again that is only my opinion.

sounds reasonable. believe me, if i could trade up to an MSP, i would in a second.(drinks)

honda definitely doesn't make flashy-looking cars. but the one thing that's tru eof honda's designs (IMO) is that they age better than most. an old Accord still looks pretty good, IMO it doesn't really look that dated.

but i think the S2000 is a gorgeous car that will still be gorgeous in 10 years. same for the NSX...that design IS 10 years old and IMO still looks great. the civic is a decent-looking car that will be decent-looking in 10 years. same for the RSX. i always thought of honda as "an engine company that needed somewhere to put their engines, so they made cars".

 

[brennan]

I totally agree with you on the s2000, it is one of the most amazing cars I have ever driven absolutly beautiful. I also got to drive a friends 2003 350Z also a very beautiful car

 

[dmitrik4]

how was the Z? i've heard a lot of varied opinions. i finally got to see a G35 coupe up close last night...wow wow wow. as far as looks go, i have to say i prefer the G (coupe, anyway!).

 

[brennan]

yea the g35 is nice but the interior is amazing in the z, I absolutly love that car. Brembo brake system 18 inch rims my friend got the whole works, 9 speaker bose sound system all I can say is Beeaauutifful!!

 

[GLENN]

heres a hot Rsx Type-S from sema 2002. Flat back and grey paint!(wow)

 

[rsxlerate]

wow i read this whole thread and im amazed. i guess there are mazda people who hate the rsx. well that's your opinion. but tell me this, what tires do a MSP have and what tires does a rsx-s have? (and no im not gonna do the whole if it had this it would do this) but instead, im going to compare it to a INTEGRA type-R. lightweight wheels, grippy tires, lightweight chassis, factory tuned suspension and engine. sounds a lot like a MSP to me? the ITR supposedly does high 14s to mid 14s stock. the 1/4 numbers on the rsx is with crappy michelin tires, heavier 16" wheels, normal suspension, leather seats, overall more weight, makes you think of the DC5 type-r version doesn't it? so if your gonna compare a souped up version of a mazda mp3, then you should compare it to a souped of version of a rsx type-s which will be the RSX Type-R. just my opinon. and don't get me wrong, i like the MSP a lot and think it's the best 4door for the price. my whole point, is stock to stock, it's a driver's race. and guess what, the rsx is more stock than the MSP will ever be. and if you wanna talk about pricing, then be my guest, compare it to a NEON SRT-4 that will eat the rsx and the MSP on the straight line.

 

[TwitchFoot]

closer??? WTF i think the MPS will smoke that RSX. well that what i think.

Oh boy. YOu know there is more to a car than to how fast it goes? I mean lets be honest here. Neither the MSP or the RSX-S are super street cars. The new SRT-4's would smoke them both but that doesn't mean it better. The RSX-S has SUCH awesome quality, crisp short shifts, smooth handling, awesome power band, not bad handling, EXTREMELY WELL BUILT INTERIOR. The ergonomics in the RSX-S's interior are imaculate. Not many cars under 50k can surpass the interior of a RSX-S with Ebony Leather.

 

[AndrewF150]

I agree, need more power.

I dont want to bag on Mazda, but gees wtf are they thinking? THE MSP is hella nice car, dont get me wrong. But they should have taken the turbo a weee bit further. They should have beefed the engine up enough to turn that freaking thing up to about 9 psi. If they did that than say bye bye to a RSX-S.

Thought I would add this, but yea the SRT-4, its faster, but it isnt nearly as nice. Have any of you REALLY looked at one? Its fat...big ass end, wide hips. Looks like it took a nose dive off a skyscraper. IMO looks and quality are a lot more important than power, cause honestly you can fix the power part of things. Example...you buy an SRT-4, yea lots of power buts its one of the ugliest freaking cars on the road...you cant really fix it no matter how much custome work ya do, well unless you take the whole body off and put a totally new one on...........anywho.

With the MSP it looks hella tight already, one of the VERY few cars that I wouldnt put a body kit on, cause it doesnt need one. The really good upside to the MSP is it does have some power, and you can EASLY make it a lot more.

So looks do matter, I would rather have a really nice looking car than something that looks like crap but can go fast. $hit on Wheels...nah not a good thing.

 

[saided18]

yet again people fail to realize that mada did not put all it's effort into the MSP b/c they did not want to re-design the engine b/c in 2 years there will be no more 3 gen protege. so why do all that R&D for a car that will be phased out. All they wanted was a car to sell alot. just a short fix till they get the new models out. that is it. the MSP is just a regular protege with a turbo kit put on it. they made slight changes in the Suspension and drivetrain.

still as an over all car it is a good buy!

 

[AndrewF150]

I would agree.

Although I didnt know they were going to phase out my favorite car...wtf? Are they gonna come out with a better version or is it just plain going away? It would suck if they stop making them because they are really nice cars.

Second, it wouldnt take a whole lot to make that engine run with a 9 psi turbo. Really it wouldnt be that much work, they could have done it but if they are phasing it out...well than it wouldn't be smart to spend lots of money on a car they arent going to be making anymore.

Well thx for the bad news??? I better get me a MSP before too soon hu?

 

[dmitrik4]

the car itself is not going away...just the "protege" name. it'll be called the "3" now. and i'm sure there will be a 5-door and a mazdaspeed version. so no worries.

 

[AndrewF150]

eeeeeeeewwwwwwwww

:wtf:

Why is Mazda calling it the "3"?(hmm)

I like the name Protege...

Well as long as they dont stop making the car, and keep it that would be great.(drinks)

 

[chrisjw85]

One of my good firends had an rxs type s until he raced a maxima on the parkway only 18 and he totalled the rsx and he was leasing by the way. Turned into a 4 car accident. He lived and kept his license cause one of the cars he hit the 2 girls were drunk and the maxima guy admitted to driving bad and didnt have his license on him. So my friend got lucky. He drives a very old mazda 626 now because of insurance costs.